Rubio Thread III

[LookingAround]

Yeah, Sada was the only PG who defended well McCalebb.
Ricky's feet movement is not that quick literally. His craftiness frequently compensate it, but in the two games against Siena he had hard time against McCalebb.
But it's not just him, this guy is really quick.
Maccabi with Perkins, who in the current season IMO the best defender at PG position in Euroleague (in defense alone he passed Diamantidis IMO this season) lost to Partizan with McCaleb last year at top8 in best of 5 series in which they had the home advantage. He was the only one who could defend him but then Maccabi had problems at offense as McCaleb is also a good defender like you also could see at this game.

Ricky had some highlights at the beginning of the second half and few in the end including the winning basket.
But it wasn't good game by him.

Practically they won the game also without Navvaro who isn't himself yet.

BTW, I've uploaded the game (broadcast in Hebrew). But I'm not sure if I can put the links here

[Foye]

Yeah, it's important that he can score in clutch moments but... his defense is still awful (0.12, 0.19...) Okay, McCalebb is almost unstoppable but... what happened to "Ricky, the defender"?

Well seems like his defense is still an improvement over what our PG's currently do.

[Greco21]

Yeah, Sada was the only PG who defended well McCalebb.
Ricky's feet movement is not that quick literally. His craftiness frequently compensate it, but in the two games against Siena he had hard time against McCalebb.
But it's not just him, this guy is really quick.
Maccabi with Perkins, who in the current season IMO the best defender at PG position in Euroleague (in defense alone he passed Diamantidis IMO this season) lost to Partizan with McCaleb last year at top8 in best of 5 series in which they had the home advantage. He was the only one who could defend him but then Maccabi had problems at offense as McCaleb is also a good defender like you also could see at this game.

Ricky had some highlights at the beginning of the second half and few in the end including the winning basket.
But it wasn't good game by him.

Practically they won the game also without Navvaro who isn't himself yet.

BTW, I've uploaded the game (broadcast in Hebrew). But I'm not sure if I can put the links here

Love that kind of post Diamantides is the best defender in Europe. He has been winning this award that last 3 tournaments. Not just Point Guard but the whole Euroleague. His nickname is 3D and he can be everywhere on defense. He also drives team defense. I still remember the huge block he had over Chris Paul in the Greece-USA game. Anyway he has stated several times that he does not want to try over the Atlantic but i hope he changes his mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhWhvov ... re=related

Especially at 2:20 of the video. That block gave the title to his club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbipPGGX ... re=related

blocking Duncan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seA_wEZd ... re=related

blocking Chris Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTpoazlt ... re=related

best defender 2009

As far as it concerns Ricky Rubio just take a look at the highlights again. He is not good at defending point guards who take it in the paint. He might get some steals.

[Grits n Gravy]

diamantidis is sick, he is probably still the best pg in europe

[Grits n Gravy]

didn't know where else to post this question:

why isn't nemanja bjelica getting any time for caja laboral? he has only played more than 10 minutes twice(just) in euroleague comepition and barely plays at all in acb competition? any one know why this is? he could be a good piece for us in the future but he is never gonna improve unless he gets some time oevr in europe.

finally, does he have a brother named milko that plays with jonas valaciunas in lietuvos rytas? i know they share the same last name and he has been playing quite well

[LookingAround]

Yeah, Sada was the only PG who defended well McCalebb.
Ricky's feet movement is not that quick literally. His craftiness frequently compensate it, but in the two games against Siena he had hard time against McCalebb.
But it's not just him, this guy is really quick.
Maccabi with Perkins, who in the current season IMO the best defender at PG position in Euroleague (in defense alone he passed Diamantidis IMO this season) lost to Partizan with McCaleb last year at top8 in best of 5 series in which they had the home advantage. He was the only one who could defend him but then Maccabi had problems at offense as McCaleb is also a good defender like you also could see at this game.

Ricky had some highlights at the beginning of the second half and few in the end including the winning basket.
But it wasn't good game by him.

Practically they won the game also without Navvaro who isn't himself yet.

BTW, I've uploaded the game (broadcast in Hebrew). But I'm not sure if I can put the links here

Love that kind of post Diamantides is the best defender in Europe. He has been winning this award that last 3 tournaments. Not just Point Guard but the whole Euroleague. His nickname is 3D and he can be everywhere on defense. He also drives team defense. I still remember the huge block he had over Chris Paul in the Greece-USA game. Anyway he has stated several times that he does not want to try over the Atlantic but i hope he changes his mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhWhvov ... re=related

Especially at 2:20 of the video. That block gave the title to his club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbipPGGX ... re=related

blocking Duncan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seA_wEZd ... re=related

blocking Chris Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTpoazlt ... re=related

best defender 2009

As far as it concerns Ricky Rubio just take a look at the highlights again. He is not good at defending point guards who take it in the paint. He might get some steals.

Believe me I know DD well and like him very much.
No question that he is amazing defender, the best in the last decade, and unlike Perkins he is also a very good offense player as well. And I won't even try to compare their BB IQ.
Without watching the Youtube I remember more or less all the blocks you mentioned, I saw all of them live.
I also saw his steal this week at top 10, did you see that?

But Perkins is a beast at D too, and his ability to shut players is amazing. And he is there to take every loose ball. Have you seen him?
Right now I think he is better D player even the D.D IMO.

[Greco21]

Believe me I know DD well and like him very much.
No question that he is amazing defender, the best in the last decade, and unlike Perkins he is also a very good offense player as well. And I won't even try to compare their BB IQ.
Without watching the Youtube I remember more or less all the blocks you mentioned, I saw all of them live.
I also saw his steal this week at top 10, did you see that?

But Perkins is a beast at D too, and his ability to shut players is amazing. And he is there to take every loose ball. Have you seen him?
Right now I think he is better D player even the D.D IMO.

Perkins is good point guard defender. I agree with you. I do not think that he is better than DD because there are not many really good scoring point guards in Euroleague right now. Also wait and see how good he is when things get tough in the quorter finals.

A friend asked about Bjelica. I believe he is no good. Ivkovic the father of all coaches in Serbia picked Keselij instead of Bjelica. He is really talented but very soft and does not have that Serbian 3 point killer instict... I mean just remember players playing for Yugoslavia at the three spot. They could really make it outside the perimeter.


But Maccabi has the beast of beasts. Sofo


I feel we highjacked Ricky Rubios thread and it is not that fair

[Vin20]

On thursday... last game of the year: Barcelona - Real Madrid.

http://acbtv.acb.com/video/3374

[LookingAround]

Believe me I know DD well and like him very much.
No question that he is amazing defender, the best in the last decade, and unlike Perkins he is also a very good offense player as well. And I won't even try to compare their BB IQ.
Without watching the Youtube I remember more or less all the blocks you mentioned, I saw all of them live.
I also saw his steal this week at top 10, did you see that?

But Perkins is a beast at D too, and his ability to shut players is amazing. And he is there to take every loose ball. Have you seen him?
Right now I think he is better D player even the D.D IMO.

Perkins is good point guard defender. I agree with you. I do not think that he is better than DD because there are not many really good scoring point guards in Euroleague right now. Also wait and see how good he is when things get tough in the quorter finals.

A friend asked about Bjelica. I believe he is no good. Ivkovic the father of all coaches in Serbia picked Keselij instead of Bjelica. He is really talented but very soft and does not have that Serbian 3 point killer instict... I mean just remember players playing for Yugoslavia at the three spot. They could really make it outside the perimeter.


But Maccabi has the beast of beasts. Sofo


I feel we highjacked Ricky Rubios thread and it is not that fair

I didn't say that he is better then player then D.D. I think that D.D is the closest player to him in the defense category, and better then Perkins in each and single other category.
And he is BTW the Euroleage MVP of Decmeber.

And if you mentioned Sofo, who could be also MVP easily and probably would be unless Eidson was chosen for November , you can see the video that I made of his last performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VT7yRjfm8g&fmt=35

[Greco21]

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I didn't say that he is better then player then D.D. I think that D.D is the closest player to him in the defense category, and better then Perkins in each and single other category.
And he is BTW the Euroleage MVP of Decmeber.

And if you mentioned Sofo, who could be also MVP easily and probably would be unless Eidson was chosen for November , you can see the video that I made of his last performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VT7yRjfm8g&fmt=35

Sofo is the only guy that made Dowight Howard look weak. I believe he is the only reason Greece beat USA at Japan during the 2006 World Cup. He is unstoppable. He can beat tripple teams. I am sad he left Greece but really glad he joined a club like Maccabi. I really do not understand why Clippers did not sign him. I saw his summer seazon games and he was setting up screens when his teamates were just attacking the basket. Anyway...

Nice Video anyway. I am really glad you have some plays where he is setting picks for his teamates. It means you understand the game really well.

Lets see guys how Ricky Rubio plays in big match against rival club Real Madrit. These matchups show what iron you are made off.

[re49gb_2gho32fp]

why isn't nemanja bjelica getting any time for caja laboral? he has only played more than 10 minutes twice(just) in euroleague comepition and barely plays at all in acb competition? any one know why this is? he could be a good piece for us in the future but he is never gonna improve unless he gets some time oevr in europe.

It is a bit concerning to be fair. especially considering caja only plays with two players in their frontcourt (rest is spot mins for bjelica and that other guy). Latest i heard was that he was having back spasms as of late. Also, on two separate occasions with serbian media he signaled that he made the right move and that he likes the opportunity for improvement there (his coach is widely known as the most exacting coaches around europe as far as practised, and he is reluctant to playing new players big mins).
Im not liking the low minutes at all.

finally, does he have a brother named milko that plays with jonas valaciunas in lietuvos rytas? i know they share the same last name and he has been playing quite well

Not related.

A friend asked about Bjelica. I believe he is no good. Ivkovic the father of all coaches in Serbia picked Keselij instead of Bjelica. He is really talented but very soft and does not have that Serbian 3 point killer instict... I mean just remember players playing for Yugoslavia at the three spot. They could really make it outside the perimeter.

I've watched him extensively as he played for my fav serbian club. its true when you say that he is soft. Olympiacos has 3 of the top 5 playmakers in europe so i really see little use for bjelica as a fit there, they play with two of those on the court simultaneously more often than not. i think keselj was just a better fit.
His talents are a conundrum, it really seems that he can do virtually anything on the court at times. he shoots well, incredible courtvision, passes well, dribbles good, anticipates stealing good, read the game on both ends,bit unathletic though. the intermittent kukoc comparisons were not unwarranted. This kid was THE sensation in serbian media while playing for red star. he completely owned some games by his own in all competitions.
his main weakness is of mental character. he seems to be mentally fragile. it may hamper him from become what he could be.
I think he might be a solid fit as a pointforward to complement the pg spot in playmaking. i just dont see where he would get mins over beasley if he'd eventually come over.

[Klomp]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors/_/date/20101229#20005
The Timberwolves have long publicly held that Ricky Rubio, a 2009 draft selection of the team, will indeed eventually come over from Spain and play for the team.

But others, citing the Wolves' less-than-stellar track record of late, were dubious to this claim, and thought Rubio may never suit up for the team.

Yet, there are increasing indications that Rubio will be bought out from FC Barcelona this summer and come over for the 2011-12 season.Bill Ingram of HOOPSWORLD wrote that "the Timberwolves grow more confident by the day that Rubio will finally come over from Europe."

And Ken Berger of CBS Sports is reporting Rubio has even let such intentions be known to the team.

"According to a person familiar with the situation [Rubio] has given team officials his word that he will join the Wolves next season," wrote Berger. "The buyout that Minnesota must pay FC Barcelona is down to $1 million, but it's not clear how Rubio's decision could be affected by a lockout. Even if Rubio comes to Minnesota, there's no guarantee he'll thrive immediately."If this is the case, it may put the wheels in motion for Jonny Flynn to eventually be traded in the future -- something we noted earlier Wednesday.



http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?sto ... z19WI02H8u

i certainly hope this source is right, mods feel free to delete this if it has already been posted....exciting times for minny!!

[sergiio_88]

Barcelona Vs Real Madrid will start in 12 minutes.

You can view this game in www.acb.com

[lobishome]

And here the stats ...

http://jornadavirtual.acb.com/htm/estadisticas/est113.htm

[Grits n Gravy]

just watched the 4th quarter don't know how ricky played the rest of the game but he was a human victory cigar in the 4th quarter

[Piecake]

Watched the game on and off. Thought he looked pretty good. Played good defense and made some good passes. He air-balled a wide open 3, so thats not good. He definitely needs to improve that.

I dont know, maybe it was just this game, but I thought he was more of a drive and dish type player. I really didnt see much of that at all when i was watching.

Still, actually looked like he could defend people, so thats a positive if he finally comes over

[jpatrick]

I know it's not his role to score for Barcelona but him consistently putting up these low scoring games, 2 today, is somewhat worriesome. No matter how great of a passer he is he's going to need to be able to score here, at least a little, to keep defenses honest.

[Piecake]

I know it's not his role to score for Barcelona but him consistently putting up these low scoring games, 2 today, is somewhat worriesome. No matter how great of a passer he is he's going to need to be able to score here, at least a little, to keep defenses honest.

Yea, he doesnt have the absurd quickness and length of Rondo(or Rondo's teammates ) to make up for a lack of shooting ability.

To be a decent NBA player, he needs to be able to hit the open jumper. To be a very good NBA player, he is needs to be able to hit a jumper off the dribble in the pick and roll. If he cant, defenses are just going to go under the screen, sag, and close off his driving and passing lanes, and dare him to shoot.

[BamBam9]

I know it's not his role to score for Barcelona but him consistently putting up these low scoring games, 2 today, is somewhat worriesome. No matter how great of a passer he is he's going to need to be able to score here, at least a little, to keep defenses honest.

Navarro, Morris, Lorbek, Lakovic, Mickeal, Vazquez...many players.

Its main duty is to distribute the play, give assistances and defend, at the moment is doing well. In Europe it is very difficult to get 20 points in a big team, because there are many good scorers, and each possession is a slate play, there are very few individual moves, plus the fact that Ricky is not a scorer, as the statistical scoring is what it is.

[Vin20]

It's quite strange that Ricky doesn't score like 15-20pts against Real Madrid. Actually, I think it's the first time that Ricky makes a "normal game" against Madrid.

He played good and that's all. He almosts broke Navarro's nose and stealed a ball with the head (that was actually pretty funny ).

Anyways, he only shot 3 times. He played a lot of time with Navarro, who was on fire today and shooting everytime he received the ball. It was a bit hard for Ricky to be noticed. Actually, there have been some actions where Ricky could have scored but he decided to pass... as always. He needs to be more selfish.