NJ/Det

[retrolenny]

Detroit Piston fan here just curious to know if you NJ fans would be for or against the following trade, which I proposed on our own message board?

Troy Murphy to Det for Ben Gordon

If you guys plan on buying Troy out, then it might be worth it to get something in return!!! Thoughts???
Retro

[NyCeEvO]

Ben Gordon is an undersized SG that does not pass the ball, does not play defense, and has a ridiculous contract. Unless you want to take back Outlaw, then there's no way we're taking Ben Gordon.

[SteveNets15]

But at least we will get something in return!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

[retrolenny]

So that's 2 for against? You guys are going to have to bring in some talent if you want Melo!!! I offered BG because he's much more tradable than Rip and we seem to have a log jam at SG!!!

[Rockice_8]

I always liked BG off the bench, fits that perfect 6th man role. However, that contract is not deserving of a 6th man.

Maybe if it was BG and Wilcox for Outlaw/Petro/Graham

Then I might consider it. His contract is bigger but 2 years shorter so it might be worth it then.

[Revolutionistt]

Ben Gordon is an undersized SG that does not pass the ball, does not play defense, and has a ridiculous contract. Unless you want to take back Outlaw, then there's no way we're taking Ben Gordon.

You forgot to mention one thing, HE CAN SCORE! Youre really going to say you would rather keep Murph instead of trade him for Gordon? Do you know how many more games the Nets could have won this season if they had players that knew how to put that spherical ball into the basket? And who do the nets have at SG that is better than Gordon? Im not saying hes he greatest player out there and we have to make this deal, but im not against the idea. Especially if it shows Melo the Nets mean business, its a better deal than sending Harris out for Andre Miller.

[Rockice_8]

Ben Gordon is an undersized SG that does not pass the ball, does not play defense, and has a ridiculous contract. Unless you want to take back Outlaw, then there's no way we're taking Ben Gordon.

You forgot to mention one thing, HE CAN SCORE! Youre really going to say you would rather keep Murph instead of trade him for Gordon? Do you know how many more games the Nets could have won this season if they had players that knew how to put that spherical ball into the basket? And who do the nets have at SG that is better than Gordon? Im not saying hes he greatest player out there and we have to make this deal, but im not against the idea. Especially if it shows Melo the Nets mean business, its a better deal than sending Harris out for Andre Miller.

Let's at least wait until the off season then and see what happens. At least if we don't make other moves with our cap we can trade him straight up for a second rounder or a minimum salary player and eat his contract with our cap. No need to make that move at the deadline unless we rid ourselves of Outlaw and Petro.

[NyCeEvO]

Ben Gordon is an undersized SG that does not pass the ball, does not play defense, and has a ridiculous contract. Unless you want to take back Outlaw, then there's no way we're taking Ben Gordon.

You forgot to mention one thing, HE CAN SCORE! Youre really going to say you would rather keep Murph instead of trade him for Gordon? Do you know how many more games the Nets could have won this season if they had players that knew how to put that spherical ball into the basket? And who do the nets have at SG that is better than Gordon? Im not saying hes he greatest player out there and we have to make this deal, but im not against the idea. Especially if it shows Melo the Nets mean business, its a better deal than sending Harris out for Andre Miller.

And you forgot to mention he's owed about $49 million over the next four seasons. Why would be cutting into cap space for Ben Gordon? That's just begging to be even more of a mediocre team. As Rockice already said, his contract is not one I'd want for a 6th man, and he's not the guy I'd want for a starting SG.

Citing that its' better than Miller for Harris doesn't mean it's a trade that we still should do. It's easier to retool and rebuild with cheaper shorter contracts. His contract inhibits us from making good cost effective moves. Saying Melo would come because Ben Gordon is here doesn't make sense. It's going to take players better than him to have Melo want to sign an extension with the Nets.

[Rockice_8]

I think he has only 2 years left after this year. It says he has 3 year left in the trade machine and I think they count this year as 1 year.

Honestly if they came to us and said BG/Wilcox for Outlaw/Petro/Graham I'd do that

[NyCeEvO]

He's got three after this year. Check it here: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/detroit.htm

[Revolutionistt]

And you forgot to mention he's owed about $49 million over the next four seasons. Why would be cutting into cap space for Ben Gordon? That's just begging to be even more of a mediocre team. As Rockice already said, his contract is not one I'd want for a 6th man, and he's not the guy I'd want for a starting SG.

Citing that its' better than Miller for Harris doesn't mean it's a trade that we still should do. It's easier to retool and rebuild with cheaper shorter contracts. His contract inhibits us from making good cost effective moves. Saying Melo would come because Ben Gordon is here doesn't make sense. It's going to take players better than him to have Melo want to sign an extension with the Nets.

So what if hes owed 49 million over 4 years? The kid played his heart out and earned that contract and certainly has the skill set to prove it. As you said at the end of your post that the Nets would have to bring in better players to convince Melo to sign an extension is why I compared it to the Andre Miller trade, the Nets want to use Miller to prove to Melo their serious.... that makes no sense. And why, why, why does everyone here bring up mediocrity? "This team will be mediocre" "Trade for Melo? Welcome to mediocrity". If the Nets stand pat with their current roster they will be 10 times worse than mediocre. A change has to be made. By the time Favors develops into what we all hope he will become Harris will be in his early 30s and on the decline. Ill take Gordon and Melo for Murph, Favors and whatever else the rumors are saying. This team needs talent and fast, otherwise "welcome to 10 years of mediocrity!!!"

[Rockice_8]

He's got three after this year. Check it here: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/detroit.htm

Ahhh, player option thats probably why it didn't show on the checker. No thanks then just to save one year on Outlaw, even though he has been awful of late.

[SteveNets15]

Hey Retro

How's BG playing for you guys these days? I used to like watching him play when he was on the Bulls.Does he still knock down clutch shots in the 4th? I'm not being sarcastic I really want to know how he's been playing for you guys.Is he living up to his contract? Is he still 4th Quarter Gorden!!!!

[SteveNets15]

I really don't get the Miller for Devin trade.To me Devin is the better player, I would love to have a Devin,Melo and Brook platter.

[NyCeEvO]

And you forgot to mention he's owed about $49 million over the next four seasons. Why would be cutting into cap space for Ben Gordon? That's just begging to be even more of a mediocre team. As Rockice already said, his contract is not one I'd want for a 6th man, and he's not the guy I'd want for a starting SG.

Citing that its' better than Miller for Harris doesn't mean it's a trade that we still should do. It's easier to retool and rebuild with cheaper shorter contracts. His contract inhibits us from making good cost effective moves. Saying Melo would come because Ben Gordon is here doesn't make sense. It's going to take players better than him to have Melo want to sign an extension with the Nets.

So what if hes owed 49 million over 4 years? The kid played his heart out and earned that contract and certainly has the skill set to prove it. As you said at the end of your post that the Nets would have to bring in better players to convince Melo to sign an extension is why I compared it to the Andre Miller trade, the Nets want to use Miller to prove to Melo their serious.... that makes no sense. And why, why, why does everyone here bring up mediocrity? "This team will be mediocre" "Trade for Melo? Welcome to mediocrity". If the Nets stand pat with their current roster they will be 10 times worse than mediocre. A change has to be made. By the time Favors develops into what we all hope he will become Harris will be in his early 30s and on the decline. Ill take Gordon and Melo for Murph, Favors and whatever else the rumors are saying. This team needs talent and fast, otherwise "welcome to 10 years of mediocrity!!!"

No, that's not true. There are contenders, pretenders, mediocre, and bottom feeders. Everyone hates mediocre teams because they are not good enough to attract good free agents but they aren't bad enough to get the top picks. I know exactly how you feel. No one wants to suck forever but I'm not willing to throw everything away to be a mediocre team that will just blow up 5 years later to restart the bottom feeding process again. Getting Melo and Gordon gives us a more firepower but also a team that couldn't stop a twig from scoring on us either. As much as I hate to say it, if you're going to waste money now and max out the cap, you should do it on players better than Gordon and trust me, there are other players better than Gordon that we could trade for. I'd take Iggy's length, athleticism, and defense over Gordon any day. Also, Gerald Wallace is may be available and he's got the same attribute that Iggy has. I don't want a SG that's shorter than my PG cuz his shot will get blocked on offense and SG will just post him up all day when he plays defense.

[Revolutionistt]

[quote="NyCeEvO]"
No, that's not true. There are contenders, pretenders, mediocre, and bottom feeders. Everyone hates mediocre teams because they are not good enough to attract good free agents but they aren't bad enough to get the top picks. I know exactly how you feel. No one wants to suck forever but I'm not willing to throw everything away to be a mediocre team that will just blow up 5 years later to restart the bottom feeding process again. Getting Melo and Gordon gives us a more firepower but also a team that couldn't stop a twig from scoring on us either. As much as I hate to say it, if you're going to waste money now and max out the cap, you should do it on players better than Gordon and trust me, there are other players better than Gordon that we could trade for. I'd take Iggy's length, athleticism, and defense over Gordon any day. Also, Gerald Wallace is may be available and he's got the same attribute that Iggy has. I don't want a SG that's shorter than my PG cuz his shot will get blocked on offense and SG will just post him up all day when he plays defense.[/quote]

Oh no doubt, I already said there are better players out there and Im not saying getting Gordon is a must. I just dont mind the idea of Murph for Gordon. But I dont think Iggy is a realistic target as Im sure Philly will demand a high price tag. Ive heard that Charlotte is shopping Wallace and Jackson, both of whom I wouldnt mind nabbing for the right pieces.

PS. I dont know what I did when i quoted that phrase but whatever you know who said what

[vincecarter4pres]

Gordon in and Outlaw needs to go out.

[Nets44]

I agree with whoever is saying we'd take BG to get rid of Outlaw.. throwing in Petro would be a plus.

[NyCeEvO]

I agree with whoever is saying we'd take BG to get rid of Outlaw.. throwing in Petro would be a plus.

Ironically, that's the only person I said that I'd take for Gordon since Outlaw has more years but is horrifically much worse.

[JoseRizal]

I agree with whoever is saying we'd take BG to get rid of Outlaw.. throwing in Petro would be a plus.

There wouldn't even be a conversation like this if our FO hadn't signed both clowns in the first place...