Rumours thread

[mun]

^^^ I didn't realize that "little things" mean more than:

1) An MVP defenseman (Pronger)
2) # 2 pick in the entire draft
3) a former captain and all around good team leader (Smyth)
4) A 50 goal scorer who averages 35 goals a year

"He's a great player, look how he kills penalties and plays hard."

Come on Crowned...he had a bad year, he has a lot to prove this season and again I wouldn't be so hard on him IF you (yourself and JFJ) did not overrate this guy.

I didn't know forecheckers were untouchables in this game.

[TR50]

mun...something i just wanted to say...i am a firm beleiver in Steen as well...however i think i may have moved him for the 2nd overall....but aside from that, i wouldnt give him up that easily either...i would hesitate..and hesitate alot...but supposing we did get these offer from other teams....why would we pass up if its such a great deal....why would the other squads even bother proposing such a deal...obviously their is something special in this kid....just needs to be tapped into....maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm right....IMO...you should think before dealing such a player...

[kelso]

If JFJ had a chance to get Turris for Steen and DIDN"T DO IT, hes a freaking moron and absolutely needs a GM tutor.

We're talking about Steen here, not Staal.

[The-Insider]

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Scoring isn't everything in the NHL. Steen did the little things effectively to compensate for his lack of goals in the first half of the season.

He didn't seem too fond on his game during that painful streak though. I don't know if I

[Crowned]

^^^ I didn't realize that "little things" mean more than:

1) An MVP defenseman (Pronger)
2) # 2 pick in the entire draft
3) a former captain and all around good team leader (Smyth)
4) A 50 goal scorer who averages 35 goals a year

"He's a great player, look how he kills penalties and plays hard."

Come on Crowned...he had a bad year, he has a lot to prove this season and again I wouldn't be so hard on him IF you (yourself and JFJ) did not overrate this guy.

I didn't know forecheckers were untouchables in this game.

Alex Steen was not moved for that entire list, meaning, other GM's offered the above packages/players to JFJ. Thus, proving his value throughout the league. Obviously JFJ isn't overrating Steen if several other teams are offering premium packages in exchange for him.

Would Edmonton offer Chris Pronger for a "hard worker that kills penalties"? How about Philadelphia offering the #2 overall draft choice for a "hard worker that kills penalties"?

If we're trading Steen, I want a Gaborik, Camalleri, Jokinen, Horton type player coming back the other way. We'd obviously have to add more, but you get the point. I want a younger player that'll be useful for years to come. Why would you trade a 23 year old center with loads of potential in exchange for a winger that'll be effective for a couple more seasons?

How exactly am I overrating Steen? I'm not basing my comments on his production last season, I'm basing it on his current value. You're getting a little confused there. I'm using the stated offers as an example of how others view Steen throughout the league.

If we didn't just sign Blake, I could understand the trade. However, we don't need to trade away our most prized asset in exchange for another 30+ player.

I think Steen is a 20/25 goal scorer, and will be throughout his career. His first season saw nearly 20 goals, and shot an impressive 10.2 shot %. Let's give Steen more than 2 seasons, and allow him to develop past his 23rd birthday before writing him off as a "forechecker".


I didn't know teams offered MVP defenseman and the #2 overall pick in exchange for a "forechecker" in this game.

[Griff83]

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Im pretty sure it was Kaberle/Steen for Pronger and the rumoured #2 pick for Steen also included us sending the Flyers back our #13 overall pick (obviously these talks happened before the trade for Toskala/Bell).

[TR50]

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my point exactly

btw, talks with the Avs about Hejduk and possibly Svatos...anyway we can get Stastny?

[mun]

Great discussion Crowned and company...quick response...


Crowned wrote

Alex Steen was not moved for that entire list, meaning, other GM's offered the above packages/players to JFJ. Thus, proving his value throughout the league. Obviously JFJ isn't overrating Steen if several other teams are offering premium packages in exchange for him.

Would Edmonton offer Chris Pronger for a "hard worker that kills penalties"? How about Philadelphia offering the #2 overall draft choice for a "hard worker that kills penalties"?

I think he was requested as part of a package and as much as we are speculating it could be the case that the Leafs asked about the availability of those players and the other team looked at our team

[Crowned]

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Im pretty sure it was Kaberle/Steen for Pronger and the rumoured #2 pick for Steen also included us sending the Flyers back our #13 overall pick (obviously these talks happened before the trade for Toskala/Bell).

JFJ declined the deal because of Steen. He told Lowe to take his pick with whoever else he wanted, but Steen wasn't going to be involved.

In regards to the #2 pick, it was the pick for Steen straight up...nothing else was involved.

[Griff83]

Great discussion Crowned and company...quick response...

I think he was requested as part of a package and as much as we are speculating it could be the case that the Leafs asked about the availability of those players and the other team looked at our team

[Griff83]

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JFJ declined the deal because of Steen. He told Lowe to take his pick with whoever else he wanted, but Steen wasn't going to be involved.

In regards to the #2 pick, it was the pick for Steen straight up...nothing else was involved.

Regardless you were making it sound like the trade was Steen for Pronger straight up and trying to draw Steens overall trade value from this. It was Kaberle AND Steen for Pronger and JFJ declined because he thought Steen was too much to add to the already set Kaberle for Pronger ground base.

got some sort of link showing it was #2 for Steen straight up? Because if thats true that is honestly a joke. Your telling me we declined a chance at Turris(with superstar potential) for a guy whos shown that he's a 2nd liner and one day MIGHT be a good first line player. I know youll come back with the "Steen has shown good things/potential and with Turris there are no gurantee" but this is still hilarious if JFJ trully did turn down a straight up #2 for Steen swap. I gurantee if I had asked you prior to the draft if you would have dealt Steen for the #2 pick you would have said youd do that deal in a heartbeat and I can already predict in your next post saying you agree with Ferguson juniors decision.

Turris has Franchise player potential, Steen doesnt.

[Crowned]

Please show me where I actually agreed with JFJ's decision to decline any of the trades. Until then, please don't respond with what you think I'll comment about. Thank you.

[Crowned]

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got some sort of link showing it was #2 for Steen straight up? Because if thats true that is honestly a joke.

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Did you watch the draft? They said so on TSN.

[Griff83]

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Did you watch the draft? They said so on TSN.

So basically nothing in writing just some rumour from one of the insiders darren dregar or Bob McKenzie. I do bet that it is true though, because this is exactly the type of thing JFJ would do in overrating his own young talent on the roster.

so Crowned, would you have dealt Steen for the #2 overall pick?

[mun]

Crowned wrote

Please show me where I actually agreed with JFJ's decision to decline any of the trades. Until then, please don't respond with what you think I'll comment about. Thank you.

To that I say this (the impetus of this entire discussion):

Crowned wrote

I would NOT give up Steen to get Hejduk, I'd pass on that without thinking twice. I'd have no problem dealing any of Carlo/Harrison/Stajan/White/Kubina, whoever else.

I don't know what you intended but to me that implies you would reject the trade proposed by the AVS which JFJ up until now has declined to pull the trigger on. Therefore, if my reasoning math is right, that would mean you agree with JFJ for declining that proposed trade involving our favourite Swede Steen.

Your welcome.

[kelso]

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So basically nothing in writing just some rumour from one of the insiders darren dregar or Bob McKenzie. I do bet that it is true though, because this is exactly the type of thing JFJ would do in overrating his own young talent on the roster.

so Crowned, would you have dealt Steen for the #2 overall pick?

I know I'm not Crowned, but in a freakin heartbeat. You absolutely have to make that deal if its there to be made and like I said earlier in this thread if that deal was there to be made and he didn't do it, then hes an idiot.

[MAS]

I wouldn't have traded Steen for #2 this past year, next year or the year after i would

[Crowned]

Crowned wrote

Please show me where I actually agreed with JFJ's decision to decline any of the trades. Until then, please don't respond with what you think I'll comment about. Thank you.

To that I say this (the impetus of this entire discussion):

Crowned wrote

I would NOT give up Steen to get Hejduk, I'd pass on that without thinking twice. I'd have no problem dealing any of Carlo/Harrison/Stajan/White/Kubina, whoever else.

I don't know what you intended but to me that implies you would reject the trade proposed by the AVS which JFJ up until now has declined to pull the trigger on. Therefore, if my reasoning math is right, that would mean you agree with JFJ for declining that proposed trade involving our favourite Swede Steen.

Your welcome.

I don't mean the Hejduk trade (which has no basis what so ever, Steen isn't even involved in those discussions at the moment).

I was talking about the Steen/Smyth, Steen/Pronger package and the Steen/#2 overall pick discussions.

You're welcome.

[Crowned]

I wouldn't have traded Steen for #2 this past year, next year or the year after i would

Look out for the "you're a homer, you overrate Steen, you overrate the Leafs roster, you're crazy" comments

[MAS]

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Look out for the "you're a homer, you overrate Steen, you overrate the Leafs roster, you're crazy" comments

meh, i'm used to it. Nobody in this draft impressed me much. MAYBE Turris. But I still wouldn't take the chance on trading a nice 2 way player like Steen for him.

Next year or the year after i would though