Official Transaction Ideas thread

Post #1221 » by **dockingsched** » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:43 pm

he's threatened by caracter outplaying cousins, wants to keep tabs on him.

as for D. Jordan, i think the clips probably want to keep him. he's young and cheap, no need to move him.

chefy · Post #1222 » by **chefy** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:45 pm

Am I the only one who thinks Luke is not gonna be traded, and the lakers would just let his contract expire?

chefy · Post #1223 » by **chefy** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:55 pm

Luke is the ultimate locker room guy. he's good friends with every laker player, and laker's FO likes him a lot. I think laker's chemistry will suffer a bit if he is traded. plus if you think about it, walton being 3rd string SF is not really that bad. the guy is born to play in the tri offense. the problem with luke is his contract.

Post #1224 » by **semi-sentient** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:11 pm

LApwnd wrote:would you guys want to sign Yao as a backup if he could be had for MLE next yr or less? I say 3yrs/10-15mill....if he can show he can play decent 10-15minutes as backup couldn't hurt nor fatten Dr. Buss pockets.

No, because I don't think he can even handle 10-15 minutes per game. Dude barely played in 5 games this season and under 20 minutes per game, and he's already out for the year. His career is pretty much over, sadly enough. I was hoping he'd be able to stay healthy because he's a very rare talent at that size (and he's just a likable guy), but his body just isn't holding up.

LApwnd · Post #1225 » by **LApwnd** » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:19 pm

chefy wrote:Luke is the ultimate locker room guy. he's good friends with every laker player, and laker's FO likes him a lot. I think laker's chemistry will suffer a bit if he is traded. plus if you think about it, walton being 3rd string SF is not really that bad. the guy is born to play in the tri offense. the problem with luke is his contract.

naw I just think we dont have enough incentives to offer other team to take him off our hands :lol:

He's born to play in the tri cause he's athletically inclined, just cause he can make a few entry passes here and there doesn't make him a vital guy to the team.....barnes doesn't excute much on the tri but his all out non-stop effort makes him effective. Luke on the other hand could probably coach a team on the tri and but yet his game on the court blows. I guess you can ignore his blown layups, getting lit up defensively and those bonehead plays like the one where he threw it half court only to have the opposing player intercept it and hit a 3pt on us.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #1226 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:30 pm

I have been wondering for some time why the Lakers are not involved in the Melo talk. It's obvious Kobe loves Melo, that Melo would love to be a Laker, that the Lakers have more to offer than the Knicks who are Melo's #1 choice, that Melo's wife wants to live in NY or LA ... and ... now it's obvious that Kobe is ticked and wants the Lakers to wake up and play to their potential ... well a trade is a sure fire way to wake people up and adding Melo is a no-brainer if it can be done.

I don't think the Lakers would trade Bynum unless they can get a true center back, so they would need to do a Bynum+Artest+Joe Smith+Theo Ratliff for Melo and Nene trade and I doubt the Nuggets would go for that, though it's honestly not a bad trade.

Personally I can't see the trade not involving Artest as with Melo in tow, Ron would do nothing but ride the bench in LA, and honestly I'd rather see the Lakers trade Artest+Walton+Smith+Ratliff for Ariza and Okefor in New Orleans, but ...

A deal involving Odom+Artest+Walton+Caracter+Cash+Picks for Melo and Chris Andersen looks pretty good to me for both teams, though I would think the Lakers would need to use their trade exception gained in the Vujacic deal to go out and add one more big after this deal, someone like a Ben Wallace, etc.

However, I imagine the most REALISTIC trade for Melo would be the following:

Odom+Artest+Caracter+Cash+Picks for Melo and Shelden Williams

The Nuggets would, quite possibly, become a better team with the Artest/Odom starting combo than the current Melo/Shelden combo and could legitimately win a division title. The Lakers would of course move Bynum back to starting at center and Melo to the starting SF position. The question is would a Melo/Gasol/Bynum/Williams foursome be better than a Artest/Gasol/Bynum/Odom foursome ... I maintain it would be.

Odom's SF skills are wasted on this team as Barnes is a solid SF and earns his minutes, therefore Odom is SOLELY a PF on this team. Shelden Williams on the other hand can play both PF and C and his 12.1 rebounds and 1.4 blocks per 40 minutes attest to that fact!

The addition of Melo would more than make up for what Odom provides in shooting, ball handling and passing while the addittion of Williams more than makes up for what Odom provides in rebounding and defense.

The above said, while I love Odom and Artest and would love to see them retire Lakers, I would not at all object to a Odom+Artest+Caracter+Cash+Picks for Melo+Williams trade and would hope Mitch would go out and use that trade exception to add one more big man (Ben Wallace, Kwame Brown, etc) after this deal to solidify our team.

GO LAKERS!

Jetset · Post #1227 » by **Jetset** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:34 am

AI-in-LA wrote:I have been wondering for some time why the Lakers are not involved in the Melo talk. It's obvious Kobe loves Melo, that Melo would love to be a Laker, that the Lakers have more to offer than the Knicks who are Melo's #1 choice, that Melo's wife wants to live in NY or LA ... and ... now it's obvious that Kobe is ticked and wants the Lakers to wake up and play to their potential ... well a trade is a sure fire way to wake people up and adding Melo is a no-brainer if it can be done.

1. Denver does not want to give us an automatic bid to come out of the west each and every single year 2. We don't have a strong enough deal to get Melo. The best we could do in any offer is offer up a gimpy center. 3. Where did you read that his wife would live in LA, I've only heard that she wants NY and he wants to return to the east coast. 4. This team is fine we just need to start clicking 5. No offence but those were horrible trade packages. I doubt Denver would want to rebuild with a 1 legged center, a 31 yr old PF and SF, two old bench players and a load of low 1st & 2nd rounders.

AceFresh · Post #1228 » by **AceFresh** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:52 am

Jetset wrote:
AI-in-LA wrote:I have been wondering for some time why the Lakers are not involved in the Melo talk. It's obvious Kobe loves Melo, that Melo would love to be a Laker, that the Lakers have more to offer than the Knicks who are Melo's #1 choice, that Melo's wife wants to live in NY or LA ... and ... now it's obvious that Kobe is ticked and wants the Lakers to wake up and play to their potential ... well a trade is a sure fire way to wake people up and adding Melo is a no-brainer if it can be done.

1. Denver does not want to give us an automatic bid to come out of the west each and every single year 2. We don't have a strong enough deal to get Melo. The best we could do in any offer is offer up a gimpy center. 3. Where did you read that his wife would live in LA, I've only heard that she wants NY and he wants to return to the east coast. 4. This team is fine we just need to start clicking 5. No offence but those were horrible trade packages. I doubt Denver would want to rebuild with a 1 legged center, a 31 yr old PF and SF, two old bench players and a load of low 1st & 2nd rounders.

I'm pretty sure Bynum/Artest Or LO/Artest package is far better then what NJ or NY can offer from a talent perspective.
Also signing an extension with L.A. wouldn't be a problem either - problem lies with what Denver intentions are: do they want to find the best deal or are they truly adamant on taking Melo to the Eastern conf & avoid getting best deal to quote, unquote see us come out of the West.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #1229 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:03 am

Jetset wrote:1. Denver does not want to give us an automatic bid to come out of the west each and every single year

I agree with you but do not agree whatsoever that this is how Denver would look at the deal. Taking two of the Lakers starters as well as cash, picks and a prospect they like (Caracter) in exchange for one star and a draft bust (Williams) is in no way handing the Lakers one Western Conference title, let alone many. Melo and Iverson didn't work and there are many folks who think Melo and Kobe wouldn't work either.

2. We don't have a strong enough deal to get Melo. The best we could do in any offer is offer up a gimpy center.

Nonsense. The Knicks are offering Curry and Gallo, the Nets are offering a 19 year old with boom/bust potential and some picks (which could be low), the Bulls may offer Deng and a role player (Gibson), the Mavs and other contenders would offer garbage ... the Lakers offering Odom, Artest and Caracter looks as good as any of those and better than most ... if they include Bynum the deal is even stronger.

3. Where did you read that his wife would live in LA, I've only heard that she wants NY and he wants to return to the east coast. 4. This team is fine we just need to start clicking

I read about the LaLa Los Angeles link a while back and I do agree with you that this team as-is SHOULD be able to compete for a title but to say they are fine ... not so sure. I don't remember seeing any of the recent title winning teams losing three straight games by almost 60 points with two being to rivals and one to a lotto bound team ... this team is playing like garbage, period.

5. No offence but those were horrible trade packages. I doubt Denver would want to rebuild with a 1 legged center, a 31 yr old PF and SF, two old bench players and a load of low 1st & 2nd rounders.

You're missing the entire point ... this is the one deal were they would NOT have to "rebuild"! A starting 5 of Billups/Affllo/Artest/Odom/Nene is one of the best in the league and a back=up 5 of Lawson/Smith/Harrington/Kenyon/Birdman is also extremely legit ... that is a division winning, top 5 seed team!

Jetset · Post #1230 » by **Jetset** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:17 am

AceFresh wrote:
Jetset wrote:
AI-in-LA wrote:I have been wondering for some time why the Lakers are not involved in the Melo talk. It's obvious Kobe loves Melo, that Melo would love to be a Laker, that the Lakers have more to offer than the Knicks who are Melo's #1 choice, that Melo's wife wants to live in NY or LA ... and ... now it's obvious that Kobe is ticked and wants the Lakers to wake up and play to their potential ... well a trade is a sure fire way to wake people up and adding Melo is a no-brainer if it can be done.

1. Denver does not want to give us an automatic bid to come out of the west each and every single year 2. We don't have a strong enough deal to get Melo. The best we could do in any offer is offer up a gimpy center. 3. Where did you read that his wife would live in LA, I've only heard that she wants NY and he wants to return to the east coast. 4. This team is fine we just need to start clicking 5. No offence but those were horrible trade packages. I doubt Denver would want to rebuild with a 1 legged center, a 31 yr old PF and SF, two old bench players and a load of low 1st & 2nd rounders.

I'm pretty sure Bynum/Artest Or LO/Artest package is far better then what NJ or NY can offer from a talent perspective.
Also signing an extension with L.A. wouldn't be a problem either - problem lies with what Denver intentions are: do they want to find the best deal or are they truly adamant on taking Melo to the Eastern conf & avoid getting best deal to quote, unquote see us come out of the West.

lol. Denver would be rebuilding for the future, they wouldn't be competing right now so there would be no need of trading for players that can contribute now and be nothing but bonafied bench players by the time you get ready to contend (unless you think Odom and Artest will be playing like they are in 5 yrs.)
I'm not calling you out directly but just like fans tend to overvalue their players, a lot of you are doing it to a certain Andrew Bynum. If he stayed healthy he would be a nice trading chip, but given his injury prone track record no one wants him, and I doubt Denver would want to risk their future on a player who ends up missing time every season because of injury. And you're probably right getting him to sign an extension would be easy as cake, but I really think he longs for NY. And there's no way any team in the league has a better package than NJ. Favors + multiple high-mid 1sts C'mon Son

Jetset · Post #1231 » by **Jetset** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:22 am

AI-in-LA wrote:
Jetset wrote:1. Denver does not want to give us an automatic bid to come out of the west each and every single year

I agree with you but do not agree whatsoever that this is how Denver would look at the deal. Taking two of the Lakers starters as well as cash, picks and a prospect they like (Caracter) in exchange for one star and a draft bust (Williams) is in no way handing the Lakers one Western Conference title, let alone many. Melo and Iverson didn't work and there are many folks who think Melo and Kobe wouldn't work either.

2. We don't have a strong enough deal to get Melo. The best we could do in any offer is offer up a gimpy center.

Nonsense. The Knicks are offering Curry and Gallo, the Nets are offering a 19 year old with boom/bust potential and some picks (which could be low), the Bulls may offer Deng and a role player (Gibson), the Mavs and other contenders would offer garbage ... the Lakers offering Odom, Artest and Caracter looks as good as any of those and better than most ... if they include Bynum the deal is even stronger.

3. Where did you read that his wife would live in LA, I've only heard that she wants NY and he wants to return to the east coast. 4. This team is fine we just need to start clicking

I read about the LaLa Los Angeles link a while back and I do agree with you that this team as-is SHOULD be able to compete for a title but to say they are fine ... not so sure. I don't remember seeing any of the recent title winning teams losing three straight games by almost 60 points with two being to rivals and one to a lotto bound team ... this team is playing like garbage, period.

5. No offence but those were horrible trade packages. I doubt Denver would want to rebuild with a 1 legged center, a 31 yr old PF and SF, two old bench players and a load of low 1st & 2nd rounders.

You're missing the entire point ... this is the one deal were they would NOT have to "rebuild"! A starting 5 of Billups/Affllo/Artest/Odom/Nene is one of the best in the league and a back=up 5 of Lawson/Smith/Harrington/Kenyon/Birdman is also extremely legit ... that is a division winning, top 5 seed team!

Meh you have a point about the packages, but I just highly doubt Denver takes any risk with Bynum. Also I think Denver does Cleveland will do and thats just blow up the rosters and build through the draft OKC style.

The_Trade_Seer · Post #1232 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:50 am

I don't agree at all ... Denver is not on pace for a top pick like Durant, they are a playoff team even without Melo. They are also NOT a hot spot for free agents. The only way for them to keep attendance up and have any semblance of a solid team is to trade Melo for solid players now and Bynum, Odom and Artest are all solid players.

By the way, the Nugs are on the hook for the next 3 years with Balkman (4 years), Birdman (4 years) and Harrington (5 years) so a complete rebuild isn't even possible.

Jetset · Post #1233 » by **Jetset** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:57 am

AI-in-LA wrote:I don't agree at all ... Denver is not on pace for a top pick like Durant, they are a playoff team even without Melo. They are also NOT a hot spot for free agents. The only way for them to keep attendance up and have any semblance of a solid team is to trade Melo for solid players now and Bynum, Odom and Artest are all solid players.

By the way, the Nugs are on the hook for the next 3 years with Balkman (4 years), Birdman (4 years) and Harrington (5 years) so a complete rebuild isn't even possible.

Didn't know that, great info. Meh the deal just seems too good to be true but after july I guess anything is possible...

The_Trade_Seer · Post #1234 » by **The_Trade_Seer** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:15 am

Believe me, if the Lakers offered Bynum+Odom+Artest+Caracter+Ebanks for Melo+Nene+Shelden Williams+Melvin Ely the Nugs would kiss Mitch's feet and take the deal in a heartbeat and I wouldn't be that upset with LA for offering that deal, though I think they could get Melo for less.

I think a Odom+Artest+Caracter+Ebanks+Cash+Picks for Melo+Williams+Ely would get it done.

I could also see the above deal landing us Josh Smith+Zaza+Evans from the Hawks, Granger+Foster from the Pacers, Iggy+Hawes+Battie from the 76'ers, Crash+Diaw from the Bobcats and possibly Deng+Taj+KT from the Bulls.

hoops_32 · Post #1235 » by **hoops_32** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:21 am

What do you guys think about OJ Mayo? I think he would be a great fit for us and provide us a spark off the bench or even start for us at PG. What would it take to get him?

Penberthy · Post #1236 » by **Penberthy** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:16 am

hoops_32 wrote:What do you guys think about OJ Mayo? I think he would be a great fit for us and provide us a spark off the bench or even start for us at PG. What would it take to get him?

rather have marc gasol

Post #1237 » by **TyCobb** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:39 am

I think Mayo's problem is that he wants to be the focal point on offense. I'd love for him to be on the Lakers though, but we don't have the pieces to acquire him.

qm22 · Post #1238 » by **qm22** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:27 pm

TMac is playing very very well. He should be available for first round picks.

As a player off the bench or as a starter (at point guard) he would be valuable. He looks like 2006 McGrady recently. He can really set up other players, even play good defense.

larry14r · Post #1239 » by **larry14r** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:46 am

qm22 wrote:TMac is playing very very well. He should be available for first round picks.

As a player off the bench or as a starter (at point guard) he would be valuable. He looks like 2006 McGrady recently. He can really set up other players, even play good defense.

I don't think so, and also there is a reason why he never gets out of the first round of the playoffs.

Jetset · Post #1240 » by **Jetset** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:51 am

qm22 wrote:TMac is playing very very well. He should be available for first round picks.

As a player off the bench or as a starter (at point guard) he would be valuable. He looks like 2006 McGrady recently. He can really set up other players, even play good defense.

Horrible idea. '06 McGrady and '10 McGrady have one thing in common. Injuries. Besides we don't have this years first rounder anymore.