Baron Davis Doesn't Want Trade From Clippers

Post #1 » by **mkwest** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:30 am

Baron pleads his case to stay

"It's tough because it's the nature of the business,'' Davis said in an interview with FanHouse before the Clippers' 108-103 win over Phoenix on Sunday about the trade rumors surrounding him. "But it's tough because I don't want to leave. I'm here. I came here for a reason. If I were to be traded, I just think that I just never really got a chance to do what I was signed here to do.''

"I just want to (have an) opportunity to establish something with this core unit and this group and then we'll keep going,'' he added.

"For me, the way I look at it is, it's been up and down,'' Davis said when asked if overall he believes he's been a disappointment since signing the lucrative deal with the Clippers. "It's hard to play when you don't know who's going to be in the locker room, if you're getting traded, if they're getting traded and you're playing with different people every 20 games. Or every 30 games. It's a different team so you never really establish yourself.''

"I know I can get numbers as I continue to get my quickness and continue to get my jumping ability back. ... Right now, I think that what this team needs from me is the ability to manage a game and control the floor and get guys open shots. ... I just got to keep working and become more aggressive. I haven't been that aggressive. I just want to master the floor game. ... If it takes me to sacrifice my offense and become a better defender and a better floor general for this team to win, then I'm all for it.''

Del Negro on Baron potentially being traded

"Of all the things that are out there, how many really come true?'' Del Negro told FanHouse about trade rumors surrounding Davis. "There's always going to be trade rumors. Just be happy you're wanted. You only can play for one team. So, if there's a situation out there that we feel can better our team, obviously we're going to look at it. ... Baron's been through this. He's a veteran guy. He's been traded a few times. So he knows what the deal is, and I'm sure he'll handle it the right way.

Chris Tomasson, NBA Fanhouse

Det the Threat · Post #2 » by **Det the Threat** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:43 am

I'm not sure about you guys, but to me, those quotes by Vinny seem to be anything but a coach being on the side of his player.

He pretty much sounds like a lawyer and reading those quotes I doubt he'd be against any trade involving Baron.

Anyways, Baron's making quite some excuses, which I don't like, but he's right on some, because it's tough to not know who you're going to be playing with the next couple of games, which is what happens with our team quite often.
Still, him not being in shape and playing that poorly can't be just about that "uncertainty" of this team, as it has way more to do with his offseason routines or lack thereof.

mike3 · Post #3 » by **mike3** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:07 am

I like that he still feels as if he hasn't done what he was signed to do.. we all know at his best he's one of the league best point guards, but i do like the majority of things he said

clippermitch · Post #4 » by **clippermitch** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:19 pm

I like how Baron is playing now but the biggest problem is his salary. He's making way too much money just to be a floor leader. It's not like he's Steve Nash.

This team needs a veteran PG that will lead the team in clutch moments like Cassell. Trading Baron for Augustin will just make the team's future brighter but we need to get wins now to build confidence.

Since Bledsoe is not ready to be the starter, I think we should just keep Baron around. I do think Kaman should be traded as soon as he's healthy.

PG3 · Post #5 » by **PG3** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:36 pm

Baron doesnt want to leave because he knows the talent that the Clippers have right now and what he could do to contribute to it. He's been playing consistent as of late and I think he's a key guy we need to win games.

RiversideClips · Post #6 » by **RiversideClips** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:06 pm

Hey Baron, how tough is it to cash all that money that you have been making w/out putting in an honest effort? As a Clipper season ticket holder, Baron has never offered to reimburse me for the lazy play, so for him to say its tough listening to Rumours........oh well. Its all about Fair Market Value & at this time Baron is extremely whiny and overpaid.

Post #7 » by **thanumba2clippersfan** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:47 pm

PG3 wrote:Baron doesnt want to leave because he knows the talent that the Clippers have right now and what he could do to contribute to it. He's been playing consistent as of late and I think he's a key guy we need to win games.

You've made some very good points. We have been playing better and I always thought we would. He has developed some real chemistry with the young guys. I know a 1-13 start is hard to swallow, but this team is much better than what we were to start the season. I think we should keep Baron for now and evaluate him after the season. We are 9-22 and we are still in the playoff hunt, even if it is unlikely.

Post #8 » by **Foshan** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:51 pm

I think he just likes living in LA, screw what team he plays for. location location location.

mattfish · Post #9 » by **mattfish** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 5:08 pm

Foshan wrote:I think he just likes living in LA, screw what team he plays for. location location location.

I think this is true. He's been making excuses ever since he got here. How much time does he expect the team and fans to give him?

SportsFan215 · Post #10 » by **SportsFan215** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:16 pm

If Baron really wants to stay, he really needs to show it between now and the trade deadline. Lately, he has been playing a little better, but personally I have already made my mind up that I want him gone.

Knightspeed · Post #11 » by **Knightspeed** » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:16 pm

BD said he needs the opportunity to showcase his skills. Ummmm, he's had more than two years to do that..... Time out

playaloc916 · Post #12 » by **playaloc916** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:01 am

Looks like the same old story with Davis. Nothing more than excuses. When I first read his comments I thought, wow maybe he's serious about turning it around... Then I realized he's said similar things in the past. At what point do we draw the line and call his bluff?

I'd like for him to stay with the team, but only if he continues to play like he's been playing recently. We'll have to see what happens in the coming weeks.

scratch21 · Post #13 » by **scratch21** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:28 am

Knightspeed wrote:BD said he needs the opportunity to showcase his skills. Ummmm, he's had more than two years to do that..... Time out

seriously get his ass outta here

Sofia · Post #14 » by **Sofia** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:50 am

mkwest wrote:
"I know I can get numbers as I continue to get my quickness and continue to get my jumping ability back. ... Right now, I think that what this team needs from me is the ability to manage a game and control the floor and get guys open shots. ... I just got to keep working and become more aggressive. I haven't been that aggressive. I just want to master the floor game. ... If it takes me to sacrifice my offense and become a better defender and a better floor general for this team to win, then I'm all for it.''

I like this part here. I've missed our last 2 games, but what I saw when we got our streak on, this is what we were getting from him, and this is what we need moving forward. Long gone are the hopes of him being or superstar point guard, and if he truly knows this himself, he can make a huge difference for us by contributing through his hustle and leadership. We don't even need him to be a vocal leader, all he has to do is lead by a good example.

Obviously we're paying too much for someone who we expect to just work hard without being a star, but I don't think there's much point of dumping him for the sake of dumping him at this stage, especially if we don't improve financially (ie Bobcats deal)

Recently · Post #15 » by **Recently** » Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:12 am

Talk is cheap, gotta see some effort. The last 2+ years he always slacked off especially in the 2nd half of the season, and would use any excuse to miss some games. I want to see him do 2 things: play games consistently, without missing time for dumb ****, and for him to STOP SHOOTING 3 POINTERS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

Seriously, my 2 pet peeves in the world are tardiness, and baron 3 point attempts (i don't care if it goes in or not, just don't take them)

Leor_77 · Post #16 » by **Leor_77** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:53 pm

He's been playing pretty well lately. If we can get a good piece from a trade, then I'd be for it. Otherwise, if he continues to perform well, I'm liking what he's doing for us.

Det the Threat · Post #17 » by **Det the Threat** » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:15 pm

Leor_77 wrote:He's been playing pretty well lately. If we can get a good piece from a trade, then I'd be for it. Otherwise, if he continues to perform well, I'm liking what he's doing for us.

He's been here for nearly 2 1/2 seasons and hasn't produced consistantly at all.
What makes you think he'll do so now?

If there's a way to get out of Baron's contract while not taking on crap contracts like those in that Charlotte deal(i.e. Diop and Carroll), then you take it and run, no matter if there's a good piece involved or not.

scoobs07 · Post #18 » by **scoobs07** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:33 pm

He had another good game yesterday, 9 points/ 9 assists. That's really all we need from him. He did his part getting the assists and not turning the ball over. I would still like to try and get Hinrich from the Wizards. They are in re building mode and the Clippers could basically get him for the exploring contracts of Smith and Butler . Hinrich would be a huge upgrade in terms of perimeter shooting and defense. Hinrich has also proven in the past that is does a good job of defending shooting guards, which he did in Chicago playing in the back court with Ben Gordan. I would imagine he would do he same with EJ, depending on the match up. His court vision is not as good as Baron's, in my opinion Baron is in the top 10 of the leagues point guards in terms of court vision. However, if ownership don't want him here, then Hinrichs's ability to spread the floor for Blake and Kaman and his ability to relieve EJ of having to guard a bigger player every night, would be a solid alternative. I think Kirk is like 6-3 1/2 with a 6-7 wing span, which I believe is better then Baron. Plus his contract is some what reasonable. He makes 9 million this season and 8 million next season.

Det the Threat · Post #19 » by **Det the Threat** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:41 pm

Hinrich would be great next to EJ, as he's not one of those balldominant point guards, able to defend both guard spots and he could also spread the floor with his shooting.

Though, as long as Baron's on our team trading for Hinrich makes no sense, as Bledsoe would get burried deep down on the bench and paying about $23 mil for you pg combo isn't something we should consider.

scoobs07 · Post #20 » by **scoobs07** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:30 am

IMO if the opportunity presents itself the Clippers should go for it and worry about trading Baron later if that's what they have in their mind. Hinrich would be too good of an up grade (for what they need)to pass up. They are going t have to pay out salary for whoever they get for Baron in a trade any ways.