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Re: Blue Jays are attempting to sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#21 » by LBJSeizedMyID » Wed Dec 29, 2010 3:19 pm

Slightly cheaper than Gregg wasn't he? Think I would've rather hold on to Gregg, although I think it would've required picking up both options. Dotel is another Gregg I suppose, but his splits vs lefty batters is downright scary.
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Re: Blue Jays are attempting to sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#22 » by luvtheteam » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:17 pm

I'll take Gregg and his 37 saves any day. He could build on that as well. Don't see why he couldn't keep his walks down with a bit more attention to it. This was a breakout year of sorts for him in the closer role.

Not expecting a sandwich pick for Dotel as he's better off accepting arbitration at his age and salary range. As i noted earlier, he would probably have been better off accepting arbitration this year.

Overall, not happy with this move and the closer situatioin. I've got my fingers crossed that nobody signs Gregg and we bring him back.
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Re: Blue Jays are attempting to sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#23 » by Michael Bradley » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:26 pm

In 2009, left-handed batters had a 1.000 OPS against Dotel. In 2010, it was .993. I don't know how smart it is to have Dotel in a role where he'll have to get lefties out too, but whatever. If he can pad his saves total while maintaining high K rates and an ERA in the mid-3's, maybe he is a trade asset at the deadline or a Type B at the end of the season. Worst case, he flames out and the Jays wasted $3 million for one season.

Dotel, Camp, Frasor, Janssen, Purcey, Villanueva, Roenicke, etc, isn't the sexiest bullpen. Seems pretty hit or miss with a lot of these guys, but it could be a high K pen that is hard to hit based on the ratios of some of those guys. Regardless, Scott Downs will really be missed.
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Re: Blue Jays are attempting to sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#24 » by Hoopstarr » Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:27 pm

http://twitter.com/#!/jay_jaffe/status/ ... 6926815232

Octavio Dotel had MLB's highest flyball rate in 2010 (http://bit.ly/gEM4BH) & is moving to division where all 5 parks had abv-avg HR rates
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Re: Blue Jays sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#25 » by LittleOzzy » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:02 pm

Updated the thread title now that he has signed.
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Re: Blue Jays are attempting to sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#26 » by hyper316 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:25 pm

Hoopstarr wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/jay_jaffe/status/20141966926815232

Octavio Dotel had MLB's highest flyball rate in 2010 (http://bit.ly/gEM4BH) & is moving to division where all 5 parks had abv-avg HR rates


uh oh, that's not good news... hopefully the pitching coaches can change that, but seems unlikely since he's so old already
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Re: Blue Jays sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#27 » by wlujaysfan55 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:45 pm

checking out his 2010 stats, he had a brutal April & settled down the rest of the year. He'll probably average around his career era of 3.75.

Low risk move - save a $1M vs. Gregg. In addition, being around Bautista, Villanueva, Encarnacion + other South Americans (Molina, Escobar) coupled with playing in a culturally friendly & diverse city like Toronto may help him overachieve.

But we know what we're getting here with Dotel & should have around 30 saves give or take.
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Re: Blue Jays sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#28 » by hyper316 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:51 pm

can we be sure that dotel is going to be our closer at this point?
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Re: Blue Jays sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#29 » by LBJSeizedMyID » Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:05 pm

hyper316 wrote:can we be sure that dotel is going to be our closer at this point?


At $3.5 M you would have to think so. Although I could see Jason Frasor splitting duties.
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Re: Blue Jays sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#30 » by wlujaysfan55 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:09 am

LBJSeizedMyID wrote:
hyper316 wrote:can we be sure that dotel is going to be our closer at this point?


At $3.5 M you would have to think so. Although I could see Jason Frasor splitting duties.



He's probably penciled in contingent on performance.
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Re: Blue Jays sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#31 » by SharoneWright » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:04 pm

Griffin hates it.
If the Jays are bringing him in as a closer, which is what his agent suggested strongly to ESPN, then that’s a mistake by the formerly bulletproof Anthopoulos.

Dotel has been granted free agency five times and has been traded five other times. He has been teammates with 12 players who were also teammates of his manager John Farrell, who retired as a player in 1996. He’s been around the block with 101 career saves. Dotel was 3-4, with a 4.08 ERA, a 1.313 WHIP and 22 saves in the NL last year and now steps into the lion’s den of the AL East. His career WHIP (walks + hits/Innings) is 1.210 in the NL and 1.380 in the AL. Against the three AL East powers, the Red Sox, Yankees and Rays, he has a career 5.86 ERA and a 1.651 WHIP in 42 innings.


http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/ ... ays-closer
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Re: Blue Jays sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#32 » by flatjacket1 » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:05 pm

The John Ferral effect

1 ERA, .8 WHIP 40 saves.
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Re: Blue Jays sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#33 » by Mike Hunt » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:41 am

We can't forget that within 2 months of joining the jays, he will have one of the best change-ups in the league and will be able to get anybody (lefties included) out with it... Sad thing is, I should green font that statement but it seems to be a pattern with this team (a good pattern).
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Re: Blue Jays sign Octavio Dotel 

Post#34 » by RapsFanInVA » Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:24 am

flatjacket1 wrote:The John Ferral effect

1 ERA, .8 WHIP 40 saves.
BOOK IT

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