Suppose this group doesn't figure it out

[JohnVancouver]

Well, if all the wheels come off and they do move Nash, I hope he goes to NY. I really like that team

[Sundamental]

One thing everyone needs to remember is that we have played only TWO games with only two of the three new players, hell even Orl lost their first two games after the trade and they looked awful doing it, but now they are on a roll. So all this negativity is way, way too early..........

You're wrong about the part concerning Orlando. The first game was bad even then quite a few were hopeful. The second game they took Dallas to the wire and played a good bit better. New guys just shot poorly. The next three games speak for themselves. The Magic are playing like a new team.

I'll tell you what, if the Suns make even half the improvement the Magic made by game five, I'll maybe buy into this unrealistic optimism.

How am I wrong about Orl ??? See the bold above.......isn't that pretty much what you just said ???

Not really. Orlando was already getting better by game two. There were even signs in game one. The Suns lost to the Clippers in game two. In case you didn't know , that's the first time the Suns have lost to a Pacific division team except LA in about three years. I don't see the comparison. Sorry, not trying to be negative, just realistic.

[realsunsfan]

Not really. Orlando was already getting better by game two. There were even signs in game one. The Suns lost to the Clippers in game two. In case you didn't know , that's the first time the Suns have lost to a Pacific division team except LA in about three years. I don't see the comparison. Sorry, not trying to be negative, just realistic.

We out preformed the clipps in the second half as well, which would suggest "signs" of improvement in our second game just as Orl, we both lost the game. Orl had all three players in their rotation, we were still missing one of the main pcs in Carter who is to replace Jrich. So the original comment of mine still stands, it's way, way to early for all the negativity.................

[JasonDaPsycho]

We've had more practice time than the Magic to gel in two of our new role players and we lost the next two games. It's understandable we lost against the Miami Heat (though it would have been better if the players put up more of a fight) and the Los Angeles Clippers (which sent us right down from "playoffs conversation" to "see you at draft time").

The Magic managed to fir three high caliber offensive players on a same team. Arenas needs the ball, TurkeyGlue needs the ball, JRich needs to score off-the-ball. I'd say this is a much more difficult job compared to trying to fit in 2 role players in the Suns case.

With or without Wince (who happens to get injured in big games), there is no excuse for our defeat in LA. Period. To simply have the thought of him being our "difference maker" in defeating bad teams is just torture.

[realsunsfan]

We've had more practice time than the Magic to gel in two of our new role players and we lost the next two games. It's understandable we lost against the Miami Heat (though it would have been better if the players put up more of a fight) and the Los Angeles Clippers (which sent us right down from "playoffs conversation" to "see you at draft time").

The Magic managed to fir three high caliber offensive players on a same team. Arenas needs the ball, TurkeyGlue needs the ball, JRich needs to score off-the-ball. I'd say this is a much more difficult job compared to trying to fit in 2 role players in the Suns case.

With or without Wince (who happens to get injured in big games), there is no excuse for our defeat in LA. Period. To simply have the thought of him being our "difference maker" in defeating bad teams is just torture.

The thing is, like it or not, Carter is going to be a big part of our team, and yes we had more practice time than Orl, but we have not had the full compliment of players in which to practice with. Carter being a starter, it's a little hard to get everything rolling while he is out.

Orl has the huge benefit of having one of their "new" players be a returning player that ran their offense before, so much so that he was a main part of their rotation, so really they only had to fit two players, one of which is Jrich who only needs to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to get open for a three pt shot, the other was Arenas which they didn't really have to fit him into anything, they just handed him the ball with the second unit and set him loose......was not difficult for them at all..........

EDIT: In my opinion anyway.....

[ma_falaa_50]

the reason that orlando is successful is because they have better playmakers now than they did before the trade. The suns still have the same weakness.

[JasonDaPsycho]

The thing is, like it or not, Carter is going to be a big part of our team, and yes we had more practice time than Orl, but we have not had the full compliment of players in which to practice with. Carter being a starter, it's a little hard to get everything rolling while he is out.

Yes but it's still no excuse to have our butts kicked by the Clippers.

Orl has the huge benefit of having one of their "new" players be a returning player that ran their offense before, so much so that he was a main part of their rotation, so really they only had to fit two players, one of which is Jrich who only needs to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to get open for a three pt shot, the other was Arenas which they didn't really have to fit him into anything, they just handed him the ball with the second unit and set him loose......was not difficult for them at all..........

EDIT: In my opinion anyway.....

Remember the team is used to running offense through Nelson in that one year span. It's more of an adjustment to Nelson now than it is for Hedo.
Arenas is also used to having the ball in his hands. It will be an adjustment for him to play with this group of guys.
Of course JRich can be effective running around, but the other players need to set the right screens for him. They don't really know what each player's sweet spots are. They need to get used to having less plays called for them. They don't know when to cover defensively. And so on...

We on the other hand just had to fill in Pietrus (whose only offensive game are corner threes and is super inconsistent anyways) and Gortat (who's more of defensive player). VC is still injured so we don't have to fit him in right away.
Hell we don't even play that much defense.
I'm not a fan of the idea of Wince being a big part of a team, but I certainly don't mind. However him being the key to defeating bad teams? No way.

Even assuming that we do fine and somehow miraculously make it to top 5 out west, we still suck simply because our opponents underestimated us. Of course, a win's a win and I would not argue with that. But the fact is, this is called a run for a reason. We will suck with this team next year if we don't this year.
Hell this will justify Sarver's cheapness.

Here's what I hope happens:
We not making it to the playoffs.
Trade our 2 first rounders for a higher pick.
Draft legit PF.

Or Jason Thompson trade (which won't ever happen).

And really, I'd rather not win a championship with Mark Cuban as our owner than to win one with Robert Sarver. At least with Mark, you believe that something will happen every year. With Robert however, you just don't.

[realsunsfan]

the reason that orlando is successful is because they have better playmakers now than they did before the trade. The suns still have the same weakness.

How so ? Our "weakness" was defense and rebounding, both of which will be greatly improved with this trade.

[ma_falaa_50]

the reason that orlando is successful is because they have better playmakers now than they did before the trade. The suns still have the same weakness.

How so ? Our "weakness" was defense and rebounding, both of which will be greatly improved with this trade.

do u think so? because last time I checked Griffin scored at will vs the suns at the post.

[RocPHX]

the reason that orlando is successful is because they have better playmakers now than they did before the trade. The suns still have the same weakness.

How so ? Our "weakness" was defense and rebounding, both of which will be greatly improved with this trade.

Kinda, but not if we keep French frye and warrick at pf. As long as those 2 are our pfs, we will continue to get raped in the post.