Hickson>LBJ and Amare?

[JMac1]

I was wondering how many of you fans were against dealing Hickson in a trade for Amare in the Spring of last yr?

I was really upset that the Suns were going to trade Amare for Z,Hickson and a late 1st, but your FO was against giving up Hickson in the deal, thus they went with Antwan Jamison. I thought your FO was arrogant and flawed for not making the Amare deal treating us like a step child or more or less trying to bully us to give Amare up for expirings and nothing else.

I believe if you guys would have traded Hickson to us, you would now have Amare and James.

I remember a lot of Cavs fans were indignant about the Suns request of Hickson. Hickson is on the bench now and you guys have neither Amare nor james so I was curious..... How many of you guys thought Hickson was to important to give up in an Amare deal

[B Mac]

Thats revisionist history that quite a lot of people are buying into and Im not sure where it came from. We did in fact offer Hickson in the package but the Suns were the ones that turned it down.

So maybe I should ask you, you have neither Amare or Hickson or our 1st rounder did you think Amare was important enough to not take that package?

[Triumph36]

1) As B Mac noted, PHX balked, not the Cavs. The Cavs were hesitant to give him up (as they should be, obviously), but he was by no means off-limits. You may remember the Cavs were talking to Phoenix about Amare at the deadline before last too, but Phoenix backed out in the end which left the Cavs with nothing. Gilbert & Ferry weren't going to put all their eggs in one basket again (with PHX) so due to PHX's indecisiveness they moved on to Jamison.

2) I personally was not against moving Hickson at all.

3) I don't necessarily believe LBJ would have stayed. The Raptors were willing to S&T Bosh to Cleveland in this past off-season but LBJ wouldn't commit here and as a result Bosh wouldn't either. If Miami didn't end up having room for the trio, THEN I think LeBron would've stayed if the Cavs traded for Amare and if they didn't, he would've got Bosh here.

[shazam]

Lebron never was going to stay here when you look back without the rose colored glasses. He never really ever helped pursue any free agents to come here. And as for the Bosh thing, Toronto agreed to S&T him here, but he said he was not coming here beacuse these idiots has this thing planned all along and riley knew it as well. But what you can know and what you can prove are two differnt things. But once again eeveryone needs to get over this crap. I cant believe I still see posts about it. The best thing the Cavs can do is get rid of all ties with Lebron and this includes former teamates and blow it up, so when he plays us there will be no more old firends or anymore connectivity to the team or its players. Then we can move on and see it as a new expansion team as we will be in the lottery getting high picks hopefully and rebuilding the right way, maybe not with a Lebron but with a couple of all-stars through the draft and using our plethra of other picks for trades to add those players or draft good young role players later in the draft with those picks. It will take time guys maybe 3-4 years, but hey its nothing we are not use to, that is waiting I mean.

[tidho]

I was against Hickson's inclusion in an Amare deal. It has nothing to do with who the better player is (obviously Amare), but rather my belief that Amare wouldn't resign and that he wouldn't add that much to the championship run. Playing LeBron ball Amare would have been diminished to the role player that Hickson already was. I though Jamison would be a better fit as a supporting character with LeBron.

It was never about what the best deal was, or who the better player was (as much as people like to claim Cavalier fans believe Hickson is better, lol), but rather what the best deal for LeBron was. A theme Danny Ferry and I apparently shared.

[JMac1]

Thats revisionist history that quite a lot of people are buying into and Im not sure where it came from. We did in fact offer Hickson in the package but the Suns were the ones that turned it down.

So maybe I should ask you, you have neither Amare or Hickson or our 1st rounder did you think Amare was important enough to not take that package?

The news here was reported differently. KTAR stated (Gambo and Ash) that Hickson not being included was the hold up and Ferry was playing hardball. KTAR trie to sell our whole fan base on Hickson.

On your question. I knew we were not keeping Amare. I miss him but time will tell on his knees and defense in the playoffs. I could care less about Hickson (definitely not a fan) or the draft pick. If Amare and James were there the pick would be worthless

Thanks for the feed back. I guess we were both mislead

[JMac1]

Lebron never was going to stay here when you look back without the rose colored glasses. He never really ever helped pursue any free agents to come here. And as for the Bosh thing, Toronto agreed to S&T him here, but he said he was not coming here beacuse these idiots has this thing planned all along and riley knew it as well. But what you can know and what you can prove are two differnt things. But once again eeveryone needs to get over this crap. I cant believe I still see posts about it. The best thing the Cavs can do is get rid of all ties with Lebron and this includes former teamates and blow it up, so when he plays us there will be no more old firends or anymore connectivity to the team or its players. Then we can move on and see it as a new expansion team as we will be in the lottery getting high picks hopefully and rebuilding the right way, maybe not with a Lebron but with a couple of all-stars through the draft and using our plethra of other picks for trades to add those players or draft good young role players later in the draft with those picks. It will take time guys maybe 3-4 years, but hey its nothing we are not use to, that is waiting I mean.

Hum....makes sense. I am sure (I hope) most people are over this. I just never asked the question until now siince some people are finally realizing that Bosh isn't so obviously better than Amare. I think Amare is making James and Co. look a little stupid as of now for going (conspiring) to Miami together.


Bottomline, James is a prick he will get whats coming to him and there is no need to drive yourself crazy because you want him to fall on his face immediately. Everyone outside of Miami feel for Cavs' fans.

I was going to root for Miami because I hate the Lakers so (primarily for getting the Gasol gift), but after that hubris display they put on for the fans.........

Stay up Cavs

Btw...whats moallstar up to?

[RRT]

yeah it came down to suns **** us over by pushing the trade to the deadline and we just pushed whatever trigger there was left so we don't end up with nothing....

ironically, that's exactly what we should of done, trading for Jamison did nothing but get Z out of shape and feeling bitter as hell about our city.

[Kaner]

lol, believe me since i was born in Cleveland and still follow the Plain Dealer, and live in Phoenix and follow all local NBA news... I don't think there is a single person who knows the real reason Amare didn't play in Cleveland last year aside from Kerr/Sarver and Ferry/Gilbert...

The way different media outlets and fanbases construe any news nowadays makes all of this conversation as useless as saying "What if Cleveland wins a ring in 2010? Does LBJ stay?"

When it all comes down to it, my theory is that Ferry honestly thought LBJ was re-signing and he knew Hickson was a good young PF that played well with James, and maybe he looked into the fact that most people considered Amare/Shaq as a failure (even though his stats and PER were higher when he and Shaq were on the floor)...I do however remember Amare lobbying to go to NY during last season (saying something like "Bosh isn't as good as me, NY should want me instead") and many people consider the "decision" to be pre-determined...maybe LBJ didn't recruit him and kinda let him know what was gonna be happening, and that winning a ring in Cleveland would effectively put him in a position where he had to stay in Cleveland...LOL like i said, all hear say, but there ARE many interesting theories and ideologies that can be quite telling of what may have really happened

[TheOUTLAW]

This is about as silly as it comes. It was clearly because the Suns were waiting for someone to offer the Cavs more than Z, Hickson and a first. That was all the Cavs had to offer and the Suns wanted more. The Suns might have broken down at the end but the Cavs didn't want to be left without and therefore went to the Wiz. I'm not even sure if the Suns would have ever gone with the Cavs offer, but they clearly wanted more and not the revisionist view that the Cavs were the issue.

[kenneth9265]

Hickson could of easily had been Lebron's replacement if cleveland would take to develop him into the go guy. Jamison could hold the fort down till hickson arrives into his own.

[czoneny]

I was against Hickson's inclusion in an Amare deal. It has nothing to do with who the better player is (obviously Amare), but rather my belief that Amare wouldn't resign and that he wouldn't add that much to the championship run. Playing LeBron ball Amare would have been diminished to the role player that Hickson already was. I though Jamison would be a better fit as a supporting character with LeBron.

Knicks fan reading some of this stuff here and I disagree with this. LeBron & Amare would have been a perfect fit playing with each other (in either Cleveland or in NY). That P&R combination would have been one of the most lethal combos in the NBA. Having both of them in their prime and surround them with shooters and role players they could have easily won a title. Problem is LeBron wanted to go mop D-Whistles floor in Miami. This was planned all along, all the other teams got involved in the free agency Fiasco basically just to make it not look like tampering, which it was.

[czoneny]

wow this forum is dead, its like Lebron pulled your hearts out or something.

[TheOUTLAW]

it's dead because there is nothing to talk about. The Cavs never had alot of fans on this site and with LeNron gone most of the trolls left as well (yourself excluded of course). Since the Cavs are bad there isn't much to talk about other than trades and or players to draft.

[kenneth9265]

I can't believe you guys...so what all of you are saying is that Lebron was the Cavaliers? Bull!!! We only lost two players. One was a starter the other play from the bench of a team that won 60+ games.

[kenneth9265]

The cavs could bring back Larry Hughes, wally and Damon Jones. Adonal foyle and Juan Dixon is also available.

[PolakFury]

Alright I be on the Clev Board Hell yes Hickson > LB + Amare

....Runs away through a fury of gun fie...

[Nanogeek]

Guess the Suns were right not to take this guy for Amare.

[Kaner]

yeah and I guess I was wrong about not hooking up with Angelina Jolie when I had the chance... oh yeah, that scenario wasn't REAL EITHER.

[ScramboD8]

People still think there was an imaginary trade of JJ for Amare? How fun.