Kobe Takes Blame For Loss To San Antonio

[Anklebreaker702]

Ok so should I put in a good 50 bucks on a 60 point outing for the next game?

You'll lose your money

[Anklebreaker702]

Ok so should I put in a good 50 bucks on a 60 point outing for the next game?

You'll lose your money

[Penberthy]

i am actually glad he took the hit for the loss(Lord knows he took enough shots)especially after calling out his team the game before. he is right it is his job to put the ball in the hole. we would all like for kobe to be able to play a magic johnson type of game,but that is not his style. he needs to score,and like semi said i have no problem with him missing,everyone does,but don't take dumb shots. he's to smart and to good for that.

he chooses for it not to be his style. it is a conscious decision, just like the decision not to play any defense. if he wanted to, he could. and that is why people so often say "i'm a laker fan, but not really a kobe fan"

[laduane1]

Kobe 24 points and 10 assists. That would be a good game and a game we could win.

[Anklebreaker702]

Who knew George Hill could get into Kobe's head.

It pi**es me off when arrogant fans/RealGM posters talk about Kobe's 6-24 game, then he has a game like this.

But they dont talk about his 15 rebounds on a leg that he then had surgery on. Champions find a way

What's up Big Game? They do talk about the 15 rebounds pretty often, but i think the point is the great players that are on a higher level i.e. Magic, Jordan, KAJ etc, figure out a way to get it done before they're 4-18. THe reason we pulled that Game 7 off is because our defense was off the hook. Had the C's been hot, Kobe would have been fine losing his way. It wasn't until the 4th quarter he stopped shooting. Had he starting doing other things earlier the game would have came to him & offensively he would have had a much more productive game.

[Slava]

Ok so should I put in a good 50 bucks on a 60 point outing for the next game?

You'll lose your money

I'd rather lose betting on kobe than win betting against him.

[Anklebreaker702]

Ok so should I put in a good 50 bucks on a 60 point outing for the next game?

You'll lose your money

I'd rather lose betting on kobe than win betting against him.

It still wouldn't have been a smart bet. Kobe is not shooting well enough or playing smart enough to even come close to sniffing a 60 point game..

[Optms]

^Its safe to assume Bryant's elite scoring days are behind us. :p That said, I'm sure he still has a couple more 50 point games in him. At the very least one. Kobe is still too talented and skilled of a scorer not too, and all it would take would be one streaky night.

60 points would be stretching it. The last 60 point game was at the Garden I think. And yeah... this was well over 2 seasons ago.

[Dr Aki]

^^ kobe like to save his crazy games for madison square garden

[joebe25]

I'm going to let you guys chime in & check back, but here's part of the problem. Why does he always feel his only job is to put the ball in the hole? We have a lot of scorers that can carry the load when his shot is off.

His "job" is to find other ways when he's not scoring. Like how about playing some damn defense? Passing the ball? getting shots out of the offense, etc. Gotta run fellas, i'll check back in later.

nyc post..i agree wid u..

[joebe25]

Why is he thinking all bout his self!?!..
Just think about the team..
How to win?in team!?..
not how to win?..by him?
damn..
just think about your teammates..

[MagicFan32]

Ok so should I put in a good 50 bucks on a 60 point outing for the next game?

He doesn't have it in him anymore.

He's taking enough shots with the same effort to get 60 the only thing that needs to happen is them going in.

he's a jump shooter and post up player now...

i would go watch his 81 point vs the raps, and the 62 in 3 quarters against dallas, look how he scores then and look how he scores now.

[b shaw20]

i am actually glad he took the hit for the loss(Lord knows he took enough shots)especially after calling out his team the game before. he is right it is his job to put the ball in the hole. we would all like for kobe to be able to play a magic johnson type of game,but that is not his style. he needs to score,and like semi said i have no problem with him missing,everyone does,but don't take dumb shots. he's to smart and to good for that.

Good post Magic, completely agree. But I think the reason Kobe continues to take "dumb" or low percentage shots is a double edge sword --his stubbornness or confidence. It's what also makes him Kobe. I've always thought that if he has a little bit of the magic Johnson gene in him, he would dominate the game like few ever have. But unfortunately he doesnt so we haven to accept what he is ( is one of the best one on one players ever, the greatest streak shooter and the 2nd best shooting guard ever).

Even when Kobe goes into "distributor" mode he gets criticized for being too unselfish and rightly so. He passes up easy shots for himself to get other looks. Too passive, etc .. We ask a dog to become a cat and its not fair to him. But Kobe has to be kept in check by pjax when he ain't got it going by benching him and get asked to change his role mid game when his shot is not going (or run plays for him in post). But I think even jax won't say sh@t to him directly. He will make references to (him via media) needing to shoot a high percentage to ensure team success but I would prefer for him to be mored direct (but who are we to tell pjax anything).

I am still hoping that Kobe eventually "gets it". He has a great chance to continue to collect rings with a great supporting cast and hopefully he goes back to trusting them to help him cash that championship check.

[Anklebreaker702]

i am actually glad he took the hit for the loss(Lord knows he took enough shots)especially after calling out his team the game before. he is right it is his job to put the ball in the hole. we would all like for kobe to be able to play a magic johnson type of game,but that is not his style. he needs to score,and like semi said i have no problem with him missing,everyone does,but don't take dumb shots. he's to smart and to good for that.

he chooses for it not to be his style. it is a conscious decision, just like the decision not to play any defense. if he wanted to, he could. and that is why people so often say "i'm a laker fan, but not really a kobe fan"

Excellent post. Most people that are Laker fans like Kobe so they over look most things he doesn't do properly instead of calling a spade a spade. I've been trying to get guys to see for 2 years now that Kobe chooses to play that way. The need for it is gone especially when he isn't making shots.

He can still be the leader of this team with thinking he has to score the most points every night especially when its not there for him. I saw someone post he's been in the league a long time & he's 32 so he's not going to change. That's exactly how you become a dinosaur. You have to change with the new structure of your team. He really doesn't realize if he did that his scoring would become much easier.

[iamworthy]

Who knew George Hill could get into Kobe's head.

It pi**es me off when arrogant fans/RealGM posters talk about Kobe's 6-24 game, then he has a game like this.

But they dont talk about his 15 rebounds on a leg that he then had surgery on. Champions find a way

What's up Big Game? They do talk about the 15 rebounds pretty often, but i think the point is the great players that are on a higher level i.e. Magic, Jordan, KAJ etc, figure out a way to get it done before they're 4-18. THe reason we pulled that Game 7 off is because our defense was off the hook. Had the C's been hot, Kobe would have been fine losing his way. It wasn't until the 4th quarter he stopped shooting. Had he starting doing other things earlier the game would have came to him & offensively he would have had a much more productive game.

arrogant fans/RealGM posters talks about Kobe's 15 rebounds? Really? What message board have you been reading? Everyone is caught up on his 6-24 shooting. Personally I have no problem with the number one option on ANY team taking 24 shots in a game 7. If your gonna go down, go down swinging with your best player, the guy that sets the table. Magic, Kobe, Jordan all have the same mentality..win at all cost. You can argue the results from that mentality but you cant argue the will to win. Bottom line is Kobe as usual is in a no win situation. Its funny how we praise Bynum for gutting it out in the playoffs for playing on one leg but Kobe never gets credit even though he had surgery on his problematic knee as well. And he is a shooting guard who shots legit jumpshots. Like the article says:

"Fans can light up the phone lines for L.A.’s talk shows, but deep down even they know each year in Lakerland is marked by four seasons: Kobe’s Mad at His Teammates; Kobe’s Shooting Too Much; Kobe Leads the Victory Parade; Kobe Receives His Championship Ring."

[iamworthy]

i would go watch his 81 point vs the raps, and the 62 in 3 quarters against dallas, look how he scores then and look how he scores now.

Kobes 81 point outburst shot chart. Looks like jumpshots to me. I dont think theres any question that Kobe can score 60 points in a game still. Its more a question of will he get the called fouls to get him to the line. He shot 20 freethrows in that game.

[Anklebreaker702]

arrogant fans/RealGM posters talks about Kobe's 15 rebounds? Really? What message board have you been reading? Everyone is caught up on his 6-24 shooting. Personally I have no problem with the number one option on ANY team taking 24 shots in a game 7. If your gonna go down, go down swinging with your best player, the guy that sets the table. Magic, Kobe, Jordan all have the same mentality..win at all cost. You can argue the results from that mentality but you cant argue the will to win. Bottom line is Kobe as usual is in a no win situation. Its funny how we praise Bynum for gutting it out in the playoffs for playing on one leg but Kobe never gets credit even though he had surgery on his problematic knee as well. And he is a shooting guard who shots legit jumpshots. Like the article says:

"Fans can light up the phone lines for L.A.’s talk shows, but deep down even they know each year in Lakerland is marked by four seasons: Kobe’s Mad at His Teammates; Kobe’s Shooting Too Much; Kobe Leads the Victory Parade; Kobe Receives His Championship Ring."

No its not "funny". Kobe got just as much praise for playing hurt from me. If Drew had been in there 6-24 i would have been yelling at the TV the same way i was at Kobe. Stop comparing apples to oranges. The both played hurt but Drew didn't nearly jack us out of the damn game. Come on Big Game. This is about as biased as it gets.

[iamworthy]

arrogant fans/RealGM posters talks about Kobe's 15 rebounds? Really? What message board have you been reading? Everyone is caught up on his 6-24 shooting. Personally I have no problem with the number one option on ANY team taking 24 shots in a game 7. If your gonna go down, go down swinging with your best player, the guy that sets the table. Magic, Kobe, Jordan all have the same mentality..win at all cost. You can argue the results from that mentality but you cant argue the will to win. Bottom line is Kobe as usual is in a no win situation. Its funny how we praise Bynum for gutting it out in the playoffs for playing on one leg but Kobe never gets credit even though he had surgery on his problematic knee as well. And he is a shooting guard who shots legit jumpshots. Like the article says:

"Fans can light up the phone lines for L.A.’s talk shows, but deep down even they know each year in Lakerland is marked by four seasons: Kobe’s Mad at His Teammates; Kobe’s Shooting Too Much; Kobe Leads the Victory Parade; Kobe Receives His Championship Ring."

No its not "funny". Kobe got just as much praise for playing hurt from me. If Drew had been in there 6-24 i would have been yelling at the TV the same way i was at Kobe. Stop comparing apples to oranges. The both played hurt but Drew didn't nearly jack us out of the damn game. Come on Big Game. This is about as biased as it gets.

Kobe does not get as much praise as Bynum. Feel free to re-read the playoff threads where we all was saying Bynum manned up for the playsoffs. Bynum earned his strips, Bynum earned the respect of his teammates for gutting it out. Its not that big of a deal really...just pointing it out. Nothing I said is biased.

[Slava]

To be fair Kobe is still essentially our offensive facilitator and compared to some of the other guards who play similar roles on their teams his FGAs don't look half as bad.

Kobe;s been taking close to 20 shots per game on 33 MPG with 45% FG
Westbrook takes 18 shots a game on 35 MPG with 44% FG
Derrick Rose takes 21 shots a game on 38 MPG with 45% FG
Wade takes 17 shots a game on 36 MPG and 49% FG

Its just his bad shooting recently that has exposed him much worse than he really is.

[Anklebreaker702]

To be fair Kobe is still essentially our offensive facilitator and compared to some of the other guards who play similar roles on their teams his FGAs don't look half as bad.

Kobe;s been taking close to 20 shots per game on 33 MPG with 45% FG
Westbrook takes 18 shots a game on 35 MPG with 44% FG
Derrick Rose takes 21 shots a game on 38 MPG with 45% FG
Wade takes 17 shots a game on 36 MPG and 49% FG

Its just his bad shooting recently that has exposed him much worse than he really is.

I concur