[Camelo Thread Part 6] - Update: NJ tries again Pg. 71

[FieldsMedal]

"As @KenBerg_CBS writes, NJ frustrated with Denver's price for Melo. DEN wants 5 first round picks as part of bigger package, sources tell Y!"

@WojYahooNBA

LMAO@ Denver wanting 5 first round picks

There is decent chance what Denver is trying to do it subtly trying to convince 'Melo to stay.

By setting astronomical prices for him, they are concurrently demonstrating TO 'Melo how highly they value him, as well as trying to show that no other team values him that highly.

"Nobody values you as much as us" is the subliminal message.

[ollin]

5 Draft picks.

I'm kind of glad that the Knicks aren't going out of their way in the pursuit of Melo. It's similar to the Yankees way of getting players. I know baseball is different but you never want to mortgage your future trading young players and draft picks plus signing a big extension.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Denver is smoking some good crack if they think they are getting 5 draft picks for Melo

[makeitstop]

The Nuggets' outward appearance of indecision could very well be a negotiating tactic...

Yeah, acting willfully stupid has always been a great negotiating tactic.

And we thought Isiah's FO was stupid. These Denver guys are really raising the bar for stupid.

[K_ick_God]

It is not surprising that the Nets' price would be high because they need to get a deal done ASAP in order to move on to talking to Melo about the extension. So the Nuggets hold the leverage over the Nets.

Denver can demand so much from the Nets because they know the Nets are desperate and it will be tough for them to convince Melo to go to New Jersey.

Both of those factors beg for a high asking price -- the Nets want Melo badly and they need to get a deal done with the Nuggets quickly, so they can start to convince Melo to sign with them. So they could panic and give up whatever Denver asks.

And then, Denver may also think that there's no or a low chance that the Nets will be able to convince Melo to come, so they might as well set the bar high for the Knicks any other teams that are really in the mix.

[GONYK]

It might make sense for the Nets to give up five picks so long as Harris and Favors stay put, and Melo gets added to that core. But not if Favors is heading west, as is Harris.

"Another problem for NJ, rival exec in talks says: In current multi-team discussions, NJ would give up Devin Harris w/o getting a PG back."

@WojYahooNBA

Why do the Nets care about that? Even with Harris they don't have a PG.

[knicks742]

Well guys let's put ourselves in their position. Let's say Amar'e was going to be a free agent right now and he wanted to go to Orlando. However, they weren't offering the best package, wouldn't you guys expect our front office to do everything in their power to get the best offer including waiting until the trade deadline to see who blinks first (Melo for his extension, Knicks putting in a better offer, Denver getting what they can that is better than what they can get in a sign and trade over the summer). Personally, I don't have a problem with them taking as long as they possibly can before having to trade him which is still option B. Option A remains resigning him until he specifically tells them he won't, which he hasn't done yet.

[stuporman]

Let's put all those other teams in the position that the Knicks have been in for the past decade....suckitude with no hope! Then I'll feel some sympathy for their plight. Until then, I don't wanna hear about their suffering.

[GONYK]

Well guys let's put ourselves in their position. Let's say Amar'e was going to be a free agent right now and he wanted to go to Orlando. However, they weren't offering the best package, wouldn't you guys expect our front office to do everything in their power to get the best offer including waiting until the trade deadline to see who blinks first (Melo for his extension, Knicks putting in a better offer, Denver getting what they can that is better than what they can get in a sign and trade over the summer). Personally, I don't have a problem with them taking as long as they possibly can before having to trade him which is still option B. Option A remains resigning him until he specifically tells them he won't, which he hasn't done yet.

Your hypothetical makes no sense. No one ever wants out of NY.

[kane2021]

They are not going to trade carmelo. Thats been my feeling this past month. If he wants to leave it will probably be as a free agent. No big extension. And meanwhile we end up standing pat while other opportunitys pass us up.

[Justdatdude]

They are not going to trade carmelo. Thats been my feeling this past month. If he wants to leave it will probably be as a free agent. No big extension. And meanwhile we end up standing pat while other opportunitys pass us up.

This is the same way I feel. They already said they want to see how the team performs together. If they perform well as expected, then why and when would be the right time to trade him? Doesn't make sense.

[Jmonty580]

Well guys let's put ourselves in their position. Let's say Amar'e was going to be a free agent right now and he wanted to go to Orlando. However, they weren't offering the best package, wouldn't you guys expect our front office to do everything in their power to get the best offer including waiting until the trade deadline to see who blinks first (Melo for his extension, Knicks putting in a better offer, Denver getting what they can that is better than what they can get in a sign and trade over the summer). Personally, I don't have a problem with them taking as long as they possibly can before having to trade him which is still option B. Option A remains resigning him until he specifically tells them he won't, which he hasn't done yet.

I definetely would expect us to try to get the best we could. However, i'd be more pissed if we didnt get anything back at all. its a thin line. Play the game but at the end of the day you have to know when you have to settle. When losing someone like Melo or Amare, lets get one thing straight you are settling, but you want to put your team in the best possible situation.

Denver is doing what they should, i agree with that. However, IF (and we dont know yet) he really ONLY wants NY and is willing to wait till the offseason, then Denver would be stupid not to get the best deal possible from NY. You take Chandler and or Gallo and AR and expirings and picks if you can get it, and you move on from there. IF the Knicks dont give you that, retool and try a little less maybe AR and Gallo or AR and Wilson plus Curry and picks or something like that. Get the most you can, but get something you owe it to your team and your fans.

[GONYK]

They are not going to trade carmelo. Thats been my feeling this past month. If he wants to leave it will probably be as a free agent. No big extension. And meanwhile we end up standing pat while other opportunitys pass us up.

This is the same way I feel. They already said they want to see how the team performs together. If they perform well as expected, then why and when would be the right time to trade him? Doesn't make sense.

Because they don't want a TPE and a late 1st round pick for their franchise player.

[NYK0605]

Wait....Denver wants 5 1st round picks PLUS Favors?

lol

[knicks742]

Well guys let's put ourselves in their position. Let's say Amar'e was going to be a free agent right now and he wanted to go to Orlando. However, they weren't offering the best package, wouldn't you guys expect our front office to do everything in their power to get the best offer including waiting until the trade deadline to see who blinks first (Melo for his extension, Knicks putting in a better offer, Denver getting what they can that is better than what they can get in a sign and trade over the summer). Personally, I don't have a problem with them taking as long as they possibly can before having to trade him which is still option B. Option A remains resigning him until he specifically tells them he won't, which he hasn't done yet.

I definetely would expect us to try to get the best we could. However, i'd be more pissed if we didnt get anything back at all. its a thin line. Play the game but at the end of the day you have to know when you have to settle. When losing someone like Melo or Amare, lets get one thing straight you are settling, but you want to put your team in the best possible situation.

Denver is doing what they should, i agree with that. However, IF (and we dont know yet) he really ONLY wants NY and is willing to wait till the offseason, then Denver would be stupid not to get the best deal possible from NY. You take Chandler and or Gallo and AR and expirings and picks if you can get it, and you move on from there. IF the Knicks dont give you that, retool and try a little less maybe AR and Gallo or AR and Wilson plus Curry and picks or something like that. Get the most you can, but get something you owe it to your team and your fans.

You are the only one that got my point. The thing is that our offer will still be there in February so why rush to take it now. There really is no incentive for the Nuggets to just take our offer now, they are going to run it out all the way to February and decide at that point if they want to make another run in teh playoffs or just trade him to us or maybe some other crazy team decides to go all in for a title and makes a ridiculous offer to rent him. Who knows.

[Punk]

Wait....Denver wants 5 1st round picks PLUS Favors?

lol

See why Vince McMahon went to war with them?

[Jmonty580]

Well guys let's put ourselves in their position. Let's say Amar'e was going to be a free agent right now and he wanted to go to Orlando. However, they weren't offering the best package, wouldn't you guys expect our front office to do everything in their power to get the best offer including waiting until the trade deadline to see who blinks first (Melo for his extension, Knicks putting in a better offer, Denver getting what they can that is better than what they can get in a sign and trade over the summer). Personally, I don't have a problem with them taking as long as they possibly can before having to trade him which is still option B. Option A remains resigning him until he specifically tells them he won't, which he hasn't done yet.

I definetely would expect us to try to get the best we could. However, i'd be more pissed if we didnt get anything back at all. its a thin line. Play the game but at the end of the day you have to know when you have to settle. When losing someone like Melo or Amare, lets get one thing straight you are settling, but you want to put your team in the best possible situation.

Denver is doing what they should, i agree with that. However, IF (and we dont know yet) he really ONLY wants NY and is willing to wait till the offseason, then Denver would be stupid not to get the best deal possible from NY. You take Chandler and or Gallo and AR and expirings and picks if you can get it, and you move on from there. IF the Knicks dont give you that, retool and try a little less maybe AR and Gallo or AR and Wilson plus Curry and picks or something like that. Get the most you can, but get something you owe it to your team and your fans.

You are the only one that got my point. The thing is that our offer will still be there in February so why rush to take it now. There really is no incentive for the Nuggets to just take our offer now, they are going to run it out all the way to February and decide at that point if they want to make another run in teh playoffs or just trade him to us or maybe some other crazy team decides to go all in for a title and makes a ridiculous offer to rent him. Who knows.

I hear what your saying. I still think IF he really wants NY and they know that, that at the end of the day we are still in the drivers seat and that they will get over their pride and finally take the best possible offer than can from us. I do agree though that they are in no need to make a deal now, and out of resentment alone they would make us and Melo wait as long as possible for a trade even if they know one is immenent. The ball is totally in Melos hands imo.

[K_ick_God]

Well guys let's put ourselves in their position. Let's say Amar'e was going to be a free agent right now and he wanted to go to Orlando. However, they weren't offering the best package, wouldn't you guys expect our front office to do everything in their power to get the best offer including waiting until the trade deadline to see who blinks first (Melo for his extension, Knicks putting in a better offer, Denver getting what they can that is better than what they can get in a sign and trade over the summer). Personally, I don't have a problem with them taking as long as they possibly can before having to trade him which is still option B. Option A remains resigning him until he specifically tells them he won't, which he hasn't done yet.

I definetely would expect us to try to get the best we could. However, i'd be more pissed if we didnt get anything back at all. its a thin line. Play the game but at the end of the day you have to know when you have to settle. When losing someone like Melo or Amare, lets get one thing straight you are settling, but you want to put your team in the best possible situation.

Denver is doing what they should, i agree with that. However, IF (and we dont know yet) he really ONLY wants NY and is willing to wait till the offseason, then Denver would be stupid not to get the best deal possible from NY. You take Chandler and or Gallo and AR and expirings and picks if you can get it, and you move on from there. IF the Knicks dont give you that, retool and try a little less maybe AR and Gallo or AR and Wilson plus Curry and picks or something like that. Get the most you can, but get something you owe it to your team and your fans.

You are the only one that got my point. The thing is that our offer will still be there in February so why rush to take it now. There really is no incentive for the Nuggets to just take our offer now, they are going to run it out all the way to February and decide at that point if they want to make another run in teh playoffs or just trade him to us or maybe some other crazy team decides to go all in for a title and makes a ridiculous offer to rent him. Who knows.

Agreed.

And if they are trying to get Donnie to up the ante or beat him at poker, they're fighting quite a losing battle. This is where Donnie is strongest -- he sniffs the lowest price well and he is philosophically opposed to letting posturing or a rush to improve dictate his decisions.

[FieldsMedal]

It is really necessary to vilify Denver management or try to make then out to be bumbling because they've exercised the nerve not to trade Anthony to the Knicks yet?

[GONYK]

It is really necessary to vilify Denver management or try to make then out to be bumbling because they've exercised the nerve not to trade Anthony to the Knicks yet?

Yes. When they dropped trou and took a dump on our roster in the press at the beginning of the season, what other reaction would you expect?