Official Andre Iguodala Trade Discussion and Rumors Thread

Soren · Post #281 » by **Soren** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:08 pm

Tension wrote:Javale+Kirk for Iggy!

I would do that in a minute, I just don't know why the wiz would give up McGee.

Wall, (nothing), Iguodala, Lewis, Blatche looks awful
Wall, Iguodala, Lewis, Blatche (nothing) ain't much better.

steveb21 · Post #282 » by **steveb21** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:03 pm

So...if the Nets are getting tired of chasing 'Melo would they consider Igoudala as a consolation prize? Maybe it's still possible to get a deal together where we can land Favors.

Post #283 » by **sixers hoops** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:01 pm

steveb21 wrote:So...if the Nets are getting tired of chasing 'Melo would they consider Igoudala as a consolation prize? Maybe it's still possible to get a deal together where we can land Favors.

I would love that trade, but Carmelo is an All-league type of player that you offer a prospect like Favors for. Iguodala isn't even an All-Star in this league, so I don't see Jersey doing that deal. Even us throwing in our unprotected first probably wouldn't be enough.

steveb21 · Post #284 » by **steveb21** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:11 pm

I would love that trade, but Carmelo is an All-league type of player that you offer a prospect like Favors for. Iguodala isn't even an All-Star in this league, so I don't see Jersey doing that deal. Even us throwing in our unprotected first probably wouldn't be enough.

I dunnno. You keep hearing Iguodala's name turning up in different scenarios. First Denver wanted him, then the Knicks had him as a possible plan B. Maybe we can sell Billy King on him? He is considered a borderline all star.

Tension · Post #285 » by **Tension** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:31 pm

Soren wrote:
Tension wrote:Javale+Kirk for Iggy!

I would do that in a minute, I just don't know why the wiz would give up McGee.

Wall, (nothing), Iguodala, Lewis, Blatche looks awful
Wall, Iguodala, Lewis, Blatche (nothing) ain't much better.

I certainly don't think it'd be a good trade for the Wiz but Nick Young is playing pretty well and Iguodala has star power in his name so he attracts more attention to the fans and such. Flip is gonna want more fast paced players anyway with Wall. I could see it happening if it was ever a proposed possibility.

Post #286 » by **sixers hoops** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:53 pm

steveb21 wrote:
I would love that trade, but Carmelo is an All-league type of player that you offer a prospect like Favors for. Iguodala isn't even an All-Star in this league, so I don't see Jersey doing that deal. Even us throwing in our unprotected first probably wouldn't be enough.

I dunnno. You keep hearing Iguodala's name turning up in different scenarios. First Denver wanted him, then the Knicks had him as a possible plan B. Maybe we can sell Billy King on him? He is considered a borderline all star.

I would easily do Iguodala and unprotected first for an expiring Troy Murphy and Favors. Our first pick would likely be in the area of 10-15 next season so that deal would be a no-brainer on our part.

Skates · Post #287 » by **Skates** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:02 pm

In truth Iggy is a much better fit in NYK than Melo is. They have plenty of scoring and despite the assist numbers Felton is putting up in that inflated D'Antoni offense, they could use a defensive minded, super athletic facilitator like Iggy more than thay need Melo. Melo plus Amare isn't like Wade plus James where you haev two good passers who can also score, they are both mainly score and board guys who play D only when necessary (Melo) or rarely at all (Amare).

No way Iggy brings in the same package Melo would, but he is more than worth Gallinari who can't defend, has no real position and a history of back problems. I'd rather send Iggy out West or at least out of the division for that matter.

Point-God · Post #288 » by **Point-God** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:00 pm

Skates wrote:In truth Iggy is a much better fit in NYK than Melo is. They have plenty of scoring and despite the assist numbers Felton is putting up in that inflated D'Antoni offense, they could use a defensive minded, super athletic facilitator like Iggy more than thay need Melo. Melo plus Amare isn't like Wade plus James where you haev two good passers who can also score, they are both mainly score and board guys who play D only when necessary (Melo) or rarely at all (Amare).

No way Iggy brings in the same package Melo would, but he is more than worth Gallinari who can't defend, has no real position and a history of back problems. I'd rather send Iggy out West or at least out of the division for that matter.

Amare is one of the top defensive players in the NBA this season. I see no reason why Melo can't be a superstar team defender like Paul Pierce. Melo and Amare would be a far superior version of Amare and Marion from years ago. If the Knicks go Amare, Melo, Chandler, Fields, and Felton, that's a pretty large and physically strong team.

cksdayoff · Post #289 » by **cksdayoff** » Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:51 pm

who I want for Iggy in no particular order

- Kevin Love
- Wes Johnson
- Landry Fields
- Derrick Favors

Obviously, Love and Favors are possibly out of the question but I'm reaching for the stars here.

btw, those are just the players off the top of my head.

Paul George and Batum, those two I'm iffy on.

Skates · Post #290 » by **Skates** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:48 am

So Amare who was always a horrid defensive player in Phoenix has suddenly become a great defender in NY?? Please don't try to rely on defensive metrics, which are weak in basketball since it is very easy to simply switch the weaker defender to a weaker scorer. Melo and Amare won't be great defenders because they are not and have never been that. Next thing you know you will be telling me DeMarcus Cousins is teaching Professional Responsibility courses to next year's rookies.

Post #291 » by **Foshan** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:48 am

cksdayoff wrote:who I want for Iggy in no particular order

- Kevin Love
- Wes Johnson
- Landry Fields
- Derrick Favors

lol. good one.

Post #292 » by **dbodner** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:40 am

The Knicks aren't even a good defensive team. This notion that all of a sudden Amare has become a good defender or defensive rebounder is absurd.

PhillyFan · Post #293 » by **PhillyFan** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:48 am

dbodner wrote:The Knicks aren't even a good defensive team. This notion that all of a sudden Amare has become a good defender or defensive rebounder is absurd.

sometimes going off with our gut feelings rather than basing on any concrete evidence is much more logical...

at least it worked for this guy last year

sergiio_88 · Post #294 » by **sergiio_88** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:07 pm

Troy Murphy + D. favors

X

Iguodala + Songaila

OR

Corey Brewer + Pekovic + protected 1st round pick (top 3)

X

Iguodala

Negrodamus · Post #295 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:59 pm

I would do Troy Murphy + Favors trade in a second.

SJSF · Post #296 » by **SJSF** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:28 pm

Skates wrote:So Amare who was always a horrid defensive player in Phoenix has suddenly become a great defender in NY?? Please don't try to rely on defensive metrics, which are weak in basketball since it is very easy to simply switch the weaker defender to a weaker scorer. Melo and Amare won't be great defenders because they are not and have never been that. Next thing you know you will be telling me DeMarcus Cousins is teaching Professional Responsibility courses to next year's rookies.

+1000 !!!!! stats tell very little of the story in basketball.

Post #297 » by **sixers hoops** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:25 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I would do Troy Murphy + Favors trade in a second.

I think most of us would. Probably not too realistic.

Even if we took a contract like Outlaw, instead of the expiring Murphy, with Favors to leave them some cap space this summer, and gave them Iguodala, our first, and Speights, I still don't see them doing it, but much more likely.

However, for them to have Iguodala, Harris, and Lopez, along with our first and cap room would make them much more attractive to Carmelo in free-agency. And they wouldn't have to give 5 first-round picks to get him.

For us, we would be replacing Speights with a much more promising prospect in Favors at the price of our likely mid-round first, and moving Iguodala to give Turner more time. Also, we would have a small forward in Outlaw who can shoot the three to help spread the floor.

Outlaw/Favors for Iggy/Speights/2011 first is definitely more realistic.

Post #298 » by **Foshan** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:28 pm

Ug outlaw is awful, and his contract is huge for the nothing he brings. I can't see us throwing in our first if we're taking him back.

Also, if we did that type of deal, are we playing favors at C?

SJSF · Post #299 » by **SJSF** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:30 pm

PhillyFan wrote:
dbodner wrote:The Knicks aren't even a good defensive team. This notion that all of a sudden Amare has become a good defender or defensive rebounder is absurd.

sometimes going off with our gut feelings rather than basing on any concrete evidence is much more logical...

at least it worked for this guy last year

Where are those goofy looking braces he was wearing????

Post #300 » by **sixers hoops** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:36 pm

Foshan wrote:Ug outlaw is awful, and his contract is huge for the nothing he brings. I can't see us throwing in our first if we're taking him back.

Also, if we did that type of deal, are we playing favors at C?

I think the value of Favors is much higher than people here believe. If Thorn and Collins think favors is a future star, I would play him at his best position. I would not pass on a future star because I am worried about our lineup for this year. I am focused on long term goals.

If Thorn and Collins don't believe Favors is a special talent, then this deal wouldn't happen because this would be too much to give up if you didn't think you were gambling on a future All-Star big man.