[Camelo Thread Part 6] - Update: NJ tries again Pg. 71

[god shammgod]

I wouldn't mind Harrington back he could be a scorn threat off the bench and be that 6th man for the team a few years ago he was in the running for the award

He will definitely draw a lot of scorn. No question about that.

the fans always need a whipping boy.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Well based on the summary of the Walsh interview today in that other thread it seems that he is not going trade everyone for Melo. It appears he is holding steady to whatever his original offer was.

As he should. Melo wants the Knicks and only the Knicks it seems so why should we have to give up the farm.

[swisscheeseD]

Here's my latest attempt...

KNICKS IN: Melo, Ridnour, Harrington
KNICKS OUT: Gallo, Fields, AR, Buike, Curry, Mason, 2014 1st, Two GSW's 2nds and Cash

DEN IN: Gallo, Fields, Brewer, Buike, Tolliver, Mason and 2014 1st
DEN OUT: Melo, Harrington, JR Smith

MINNY IN: AR, JR Smith, Curry, Two GSW's 2nds and Cash
MINNY OUT: Ridnour, Brewer and Tolliver

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=25rfb4f

*Minny absorbs salary with their remaining cap space, get AR while keeping their 1sts for a possible Mayo deal, add another offensively gifted reclamation project to pair with Beasley in JR...and get future assets for taking on the salary in picks and cash to buyout Curry.

*Denver saves $15 million in the Luxury Tax, get both Gallo AND Fields (who they covet) and rid themselves of the contract of Harrington and the headache that is JR Smith.

*Knicks end the Melo saga and can move forward with follow up deals to round out the roster, we get the pure point of the bench we so desperately need...and take on the familiar face in Harrington as a scoring option off the bench, hopefully limiting his chucking ways.

New Knicks Lineup:
Felton-Ridnour
Chandler-Douglas
Melo-S.Williams-B.Walker
STAT-Harrington
Turiaf-Mozgov

*I'd look to pounce on Varejao should we land Melo via in-season deal...Perhaps a Chandler/Turiaf/TD/Walker for Varejao and Anthony Parker deal would suffice.

Felton-Ridnour
A.Parker-
Melo-S.Williams
STAT-Harrington
Varejao-Mozgov

In the offseason I'd throw the full MLE at Shannon Brown to be our Starting 2 guard (should he decline his $2 million player option) and hopefully bring back A.Parker to the vets min.

Believe me...I'm not fan of Harrington either. By taking him back, I'd hope we'd at least be able to keep Fields. I just proposed the MAX value in these two deals I think Walsh would be WILLING to give up, hopefully he's able to get for less.

What do you guys think of the actual proposal though?

[Jitpal]

Well based on the summary of the Walsh interview today in that other thread it seems that he is not going trade everyone for Melo. It appears he is holding steady to whatever his original offer was.

It also sounds, based on the notes in the thread, that Walsh isn't going to take back overpaid role players in a deal that will hurt future flexibility. That probably means no Al Harrington. Also based on what he was saying about GMs taking notice of Chandler, he definitely has value. I wouldn't be surprised if Chandler is the player in the deal not Gallo and/or Fields. -Jitpal

[duetta]

Chandler is playing at an elite level right now. I don't know that he can keep it up, but I don't see any reason to doubt that he can either. He obviously took a lot of threes this summer, because he's become a LOT BETTER at it.

[god shammgod]

Well based on the summary of the Walsh interview today in that other thread it seems that he is not going trade everyone for Melo. It appears he is holding steady to whatever his original offer was.

It also sounds, based on the notes in the thread, that Walsh isn't going to take back overpaid role players in a deal that will hurt future flexibility. That probably means no Al Harrington. Also based on what he was saying about GMs taking notice of Chandler, he definitely has value. I wouldn't be surprised if Chandler is the player in the deal not Gallo and/or Fields. -Jitpal

due to the fact that denver has to sign him in the summer probably not. in fact i think that's the problem with all of our players. even gallo, ar, fields have to be signed after next year. a guy like favors has 3 more years after this on his rookie deal. if denver is rebuilding they don't want to be locked into contracts. that's probably why we don't have the "pieces" denver wants.

[knicks9784]

Well based on the summary of the Walsh interview today in that other thread it seems that he is not going trade everyone for Melo. It appears he is holding steady to whatever his original offer was.

It also sounds, based on the notes in the thread, that Walsh isn't going to take back overpaid role players in a deal that will hurt future flexibility. That probably means no Al Harrington. Also based on what he was saying about GMs taking notice of Chandler, he definitely has value. I wouldn't be surprised if Chandler is the player in the deal not Gallo and/or Fields. -Jitpal

due to the fact that denver has to sign him in the summer probably not. in fact i think that's the problem with all of our players. even gallo, ar, fields have to be signed after next year. a guy like favors has 3 more years after this on his rookie deal. if denver is rebuilding they don't want to be locked into contracts. that's probably why we don't have the "pieces" denver wants.

excellent point. i actually never thought of that, but it makes a lot more sense when you realize that. incredible that not one "expert" has ever pointed that out or mentioned it. having basically 4 cheap years with favors, versus one expiring in chandler, and one more cheap year with gallo before they're off their rookie deals.

[Falstaffxx]

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excellent point. i actually never thought of that, but it makes a lot more sense when you realize that. incredible that not one "expert" has ever pointed that out or mentioned it. having basically 4 cheap years with favors, versus one expiring in chandler, and one more cheap year with gallo before they're off their rookie deals.

It's true, but relevant to this is also Denver's lack of clarity about what they're looking for out of a Melo deal. There have been a lot of suggestions that Denver wants a strong established Melo-replacement in addition to prospects. Chandler, whose bird rights I believe they'd have, is probably the best player whose name has come up in the pool of established player candidates. We've heard Iguadala, and Chandler is simply having a better year (and is younger) than Iggy. Deng and Chandler have similar production, but Deng's contact is terrible and he's older. Chandler > Harris. Chandler > Varajao. Chandler is just having a really good all-around year. If Denver really does want an established player, I don't know that they're going to get one that's better than Chandler and signed to a long term deal that's cheaper than what Chandler will likely make.

[atribecalledrch]

After hearing what the Nuggets want for Melo I say NOONE trade for him. Let's just win the race in the summer. These muthaphuckas want FIVE first rounders! That's the Net's 2 picks and the picks they got. WTF? At that rate the Nets would be terrible for a long time with Melo. Not even Chris Paul and Melo could help that team. So the Nuggets want Murphy and Favors and 5 picks for Melo but when Iverson was putting up All Star numbers they got him for Andre Miller, a bum and 2 picks. Follow that format d*ckheads. This African doesn't know WTF he's doing.

[bokiloki]

i dont know whats with you guys and fields. i saw him play yesterday and he plays like garbage. hes scared to hold the ball, never wants to dribble.He does hustle but i dont see him being better than someone like aron afflalo, who has some really good offensive abilities.

[AllanHoustonFan]

i dont know whats with you guys and fields. i saw him play yesterday and he plays like garbage. hes scared to hold the ball, never wants to dribble.He does hustle but i dont see him being better than someone like aron afflalo, who has some really good offensive abilities.

Right let's judge him based off one game against a title contender . Last night was arguably his worse game of the season.

[nyknicks2k2]

i dont know whats with you guys and fields. i saw him play yesterday and he plays like garbage. hes scared to hold the ball, never wants to dribble.He does hustle but i dont see him being better than someone like aron afflalo, who has some really good offensive abilities.

Did you happen to miss the 18/9/3 game he had against your very own Nuggets?

He's had games like that FAR more often then games like last night.

Besides which, why bring up offensive abilities? We don't love Fields because we consider him some great offensive player.

[AllanHoustonFan]

i dont know whats with you guys and fields. i saw him play yesterday and he plays like garbage. hes scared to hold the ball, never wants to dribble.He does hustle but i dont see him being better than someone like aron afflalo, who has some really good offensive abilities.

Did you happen to miss the 18/9/3 game he had against your very own Nuggets?

He's had games like that FAR more often then games like last night.

Besides which, why bring up offensive abilities? We don't love Fields because we consider him some great offensive player.

Don't bother trying to explain this to him. I doubt his ballboy mind can comprehend what you are saying.

[magnumt]

i dont know whats with you guys and fields. i saw him play yesterday and he plays like garbage. hes scared to hold the ball, never wants to dribble.He does hustle but i dont see him being better than someone like aron afflalo, who has some really good offensive abilities.

Did you happen to miss the 18/9/3 game he had against your very own Nuggets?

He's had games like that FAR more often then games like last night.

Besides which, why bring up offensive abilities? We don't love Fields because we consider him some great offensive player.

What I find most funny is that if he's so average, why is this poster clamoring that Fields "must" be included in ANY Melo deal.

--Mags

[god shammgod]

so now all of a sudden avery is claiming a lot of the melo rumors are false, sounds like the nets may be giving up

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... o_rumors/#

[AllanHoustonFan]

so now all of a sudden avery is claiming a lot of the melo rumors are false, sounds like the nets may be giving up

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... o_rumors/#

Definitely sounds like the Nets are done being used...Your move, Denver.

[Future Soldier]

i dont know whats with you guys and fields. i saw him play yesterday and he plays like garbage. hes scared to hold the ball, never wants to dribble.He does hustle but i dont see him being better than someone like aron afflalo, who has some really good offensive abilities.

Fields has had three bad games all season. Last night, and the ones against Miami and Boston in NY. Other than that, he's been our smartest and best overall player from the beginning. Leap off a ledge and into a vat of face frying chemicals, you clown ass joker.

[NYman15]

Fields has been great now I'm wondering what's going on with the nets and backing out of the trade rumors and avery hinting it might not be true I'm wondering if Denver deals him will it be soon or to into February I always thought it would go to February.

[GONYK]

i dont know whats with you guys and fields. i saw him play yesterday and he plays like garbage. hes scared to hold the ball, never wants to dribble.He does hustle but i dont see him being better than someone like aron afflalo, who has some really good offensive abilities.

That's because you don't know what you are talking about

[GotItNow]

The Nuggets are reportedly asking the Nets for five future first-round picks in exchange for Carmelo Anthony.
Then again, an unnamed NBA executive may have said it best -- "Denver needs to get real. That’s not happening." The Knicks are still a potential trade partner, and if a deal with the Nets goes down there are plenty of moving pieces. The Trail Blazers or Bobcats may become involved, and the Cavaliers have a $14.5 million trade exception that might come into play. Follow the link for details. Dec. 31 - 9:51 am et
Source: Yahoo! Sports

LOL, Denver is on a Rocky Mountain High, if they think anyone would be able to give up that many future first round picks.

I'm telling you, it's the best case scenario. Denver will let him go to free agency. They are being outrageous in their demands to make Melo think he has no outs so must re-sign. They have no idea how the mind of a New Yorker works. Push a New Yorker and he says f**k ME? nooooooo, F***K YOU!!!

A New Yorker won't even care what it costs them as long as they can make you feel massive pain for doing them wrong.