Time for the big fat I told you so?

[jeff1624]

By the way...keep paying attention to who will be in the most conversation to get a piece for pennies on the dollar fro now until the trade deadline. It will be the 4 teams who WISELY saved their tradeable cap savings for a BETTER move.

Minny, Cavs, Sac and Raptors. We could have been one of them...PLUS we have more prospects and picks than those teams. How anyone can defend the Troy deal at this point is just nuts.

But pay attention to the wire. Remeber those teams. Minny is already out there...and the Cavs are rumored to get Devin for nothing.

WOuld you trade Devin for Troy? No? Well...if the Melo deal goes down the way its being rumored...guess what...YOU DID!!!!

Let's take it a step further, it's more like we dealt Courtney Lee, Terrence Williams and Devin for Troy...

An even fuuurther step... Vince Carter, Ryan Anderson, Terrence Williams and Devin Harris for Troy Murphy.

[Knicksfan20]

Is it time for my big fat I told you so post?

Is it clear now with Melo talks and with today's Hornets deal brewing why I was dead set against the Troy Murphy trade?

Forget the fact that he hasn't been used at this stage. Forget injury...or Avery's lineup choices. That is secondary.


For those of you that didn't get it...of course several of those on that side of the argument have since been banned...but for those still around, don't you see it?

Denver never said OK to any deal we offered. They are waiting until December 15th at the earliest. Melo may not sign off anyway...but my point then and now is...Troy gave us LESS of what they want. Pure cap space was more valuable for them. And not having it forces us to give them more assets. More assets out make it less attractive for Melo to say yes. It was and still is that simple. And all those absurd arguments about Brook Lopez needing to get to 30 wins instead of 15-20 was worth Cap space and a prospect...and the potential of having to overpay for a much bigger deal. Time to fess up for those of you that argued for the Troy trade. It was a cap stupid move.

And then we get to the Hornets. They don't want to deal Paul. Paul wants out. They are working the phone lines more than anyone else according to Wojo to get Paul help. But in the mean time..even winning Paul isn't happy and they are losing money by the boat load. So...the trade they are making is to shed payroll. Stars LOVE IT when you shed cash like that don't they?

So? What if we had the cap space to offer still. And we could take Okafor instead of Troy off their hands with Paul say December 15th until the deadline. Do they start considering it with enough picks and prospects? And for me? I can swallow Favors and Devin our for a deal that gets me Paul under a reasonable contract with Okafor...rather than give that up for Melo and 22mil per year. Its not even close.

The Nets muffed this big time. And again...that is before I even deal with Troy's role on the team.

I honestly never thought Melo would fit with the Nets and their current roster. And after trading all their prospects, who would they have had for the future?

Paul does want out, and i kind of like your idea. Trade what you can for the superstar PG. The Nets have a ton of Draft picks, they could 100% build the team around Paul via trades/draft. With the Nets moving to Brooklyn in 2 years, i can see someone liek Paul trying to be the face of a fresh new NY team. (although i hate it, it IS more appealing to most ball players then NJ is.)

Your GM has money, something Paul isnt use too.

[enetric]

There's so much BS that needs to be debunked in this thread but let me just start with the most obvious, Devin Harris WAS NOT going to the Cavaliers in return for nothing in any permutation of a Carmelo deal.

Jan 1, 2011 8:43 AM EST


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Buried in his Weekend Dime, Marc Stein has two notes about the Nets' pursuit of Carmelo Anthony.

Billy King has been trying to rope in the Cavaliers and their $14.5 million trade exception to facilitate a deal with the Nuggets, but the Cavs, like the Nuggets, want "at least one of those top-shelf picks". Which team gets which picks seems to be an issue. Cleveland is also willing to take on multi-year contracts, Stein adds. In some scenarios, Devin Harris would go to Cleveland.

Because we wasted our space on Troy...now we are out there basically paying with MORE than Troy to get it back to get the deal done. That is the central point here.

Had we kept it...we give up less to get Melo in one form another. Be it picks...players we want...players we DONT want to take on...something. We are forced to OVERPAY for our mistakes.

Lee wasted for Troy...an asset even if you dont hink much of him..a trade asset.

Twil...even if you think he wont ever make it..absoloutely an assets. And rumors have us being asked for as many as 5 picks now to make it all work. Be it to Denver or to whoever to BUY Denver the cap space we wasted.

Favors..he was probably going anyway...but ON TOP of everything else???

Devin Harris...the COST of doing business? Like we supposedly stole Troy or Washington was gifted Hinrich and Yi...cap space gets you lopsided deals. We have two big contracts on this team. Troy...who is the guy that if we DIDNT take on we would have a lot more control here as a result of the cap space...and Devin. Now you cna bring up Outlaw...but to what point? He isnt going anywhere.

As for making banket statements about what would or could...or WILL HAPPEN? Please dont do that unless you can also give me the lottery numbers. Its just nonsese. Do any of us REALLY have a vibe what Avery and King would do? These guys have looked like chumps so far. Why WOULDNT we think they would do it until we have a track record that shows they have a clue.

Troy helped make this entire thing so much more complicated and these clowns are trying to but their way out of short sighted move...and that was the central point of the thread. I called this the second the Troy deal was annonced.

So dumb...than anyone who argued the opposite in the original Troy thread should be SHOT if they continue to try to defend it. Honestly...embarrasing youself right about now.

Where is the latest version of banned regulars? I figured more would have regenerated by now. If you are reading this...time to come clean. YOU WERE TOTALLY FREAKIN WRONG...man up...pay the toll.

[FGump]

The presence of Murphy is seeming to serve a positive result ... in the current incarnations of the trade, NJ is giving about $12M in current payroll reduction to Denver ...PLUS acquiring Hamilton as a talent upgrade as a means to entice Anthony to agree to an extension.

Without Murphy, they could do one or the other (offer 12M in savings to Denver, OR take Hamilton) but not both.

Murphy put them right at the cap, allowing them to use the 125% rule that comes with over-the-cap deals. On a deal of this size (with NJ sending away around 35M in salary) that 25% becomes a huge number. If under the cap, their limit is to go up to the cap and stop.

[ecuhus1981]

Yet another log to add to the fire...

It seems that Charlotte is now ready to part with Gerald Wallace for capspace, and Cleveland is swooping in for the kill. The Cavs are even demanding the Bobcats throw in a future 1st. Aren't we glad we have Troy's injury-riddled corpse instead of Wallace, Lee and a CHA 1st?

[Shark]

Yet another log to add to the fire...

It seems that Charlotte is now ready to part with Gerald Wallace for capspace, and Cleveland is swooping in for the kill. The Cavs are even demanding the Bobcats throw in a future 1st. Aren't we glad we have Troy's injury-riddled corpse instead of Wallace, Lee and a CHA 1st?

[treiz]

Yet another log to add to the fire...

It seems that Charlotte is now ready to part with Gerald Wallace for capspace, and Cleveland is swooping in for the kill. The Cavs are even demanding the Bobcats throw in a future 1st. Aren't we glad we have Troy's injury-riddled corpse instead of Wallace, Lee and a CHA 1st?

This years just getting worse and worse as a Nets fan.

[vincecarter4pres]

Eh, Gerald Wallace is one of those epically overrated players.

He's solid, but he can't shoot and he hasn't been very successful over his career.

He's completely overused, has no defined position and is extremely hard to build around.

He would be a GREAT utility player if he was plugged in at SF in a serious lineup, but you don't want to depend on him as your 3rd option, let alone a 2nd.

[treiz]

Eh, Gerald Wallace is one of those epically overrated players.

He's solid, but he can't shoot and he hasn't been very successful over his career.

He's completely overused, has no defined position and is extremely hard to build around.

He would be a GREAT utility player if he was plugged in at SF in a serious lineup, but you don't want to depend on him as your 3rd option, let alone a 2nd.

Not really fussed about G Wallace, I do like the pick and I do like his contract

[8 Mile Ilic]

It's comical to think that Charlotte would move just Gerald Wallace for cap space. It's flat out stupid to believe for even a minute that Charlotte would send out a first round pick just to move him.

[treiz]

It's comical to think that Charlotte would move just Gerald Wallace for cap space. It's flat out stupid to believe for even a minute that Charlotte would send out a first round pick just to move him.

And yet the Knicks did it with Jared Jeffries, it has happened before.

[8 Mile Ilic]

Those two situations are not even comparable.

[JoseRizal]

Wallace is by far the better player as opposed to Jeffries...

But we can't blame the Bobcats' FO. They know they're stuck as a 6th-8th seeded team and needs to cut payroll.

This is what worries me is ever the Melo trade pushes thru...