[Camelo Thread Part 6] - Update: NJ tries again Pg. 71

[cgmw]

I don't think Melo is going to get traded to the Knicks by next month. I think the Nuggets will get desperate and give him to the Nets even if Melo says no. Melo will be miserable there for the next 2 months and move across the Hudson and sign with the Knicks by June.

Not a chance in hell the last place Nets trade Favors for a 3-month rental. The most likely scenario is that Melo stays in Denver just like LeBron stayed in Cleveland and Bosh in Toronto. I believe it's either the Knicks or the Mavs or nothing.

[Nyk4lyfe]

dont expect the nuggets to trade melo before the deadline... they're gonna keep him as long as they can and pull the triggger on the best offer they get

[alphad0gz]

I wouldn't....unless 'melo says he is going to absolutely sign an extension with somebody and not go to FA. I suspect NY would rather sign him outright, as would I. As far as trades go, why do most of you think Gallo would be the one to go? Gallo's game is more of a complement to Melo's game, plus Gallo is more likely to grow into a legit PF in a couple of years. Anyhooo......

No trades unless we have to.....unless we give something like AR and a pick or two.

Edit....if we wait for him as a FA, we may as well offer Chandler now because we could not resign him after signing melo.

Chandler, AR, Curry, plus a second or 2......that or nada.

[NYman15]

Im curious what Denver is planning

[ITGM]

Im curious what Denver is planning

So is Denver

[FieldsMedal]

Again, I call collusion. League GMs do NOT want a strong NY franchise.

How come?

[RHODEY]

Im curious what Denver is planning

It looks like their course of action is being determined for them.

Orlando moved their assets for Richardson, Agent zero , and Turkeyglue.

The Nets have probably been rejected by Melo and, as has been said, they aint giving up 1st rounders and youth for a rental.

Bobcats have been rejected by Melo

Denver has been rejected by Melo

Dallas lost Caron- which has to hurt assuming (big if) they were even interested.


I don't see any other suitors out there - or even potential suitors

So assuming that's true , and Melo ends up here sooner or later, Denver is deprived of the most of the spite factor. All they that they would be left with is accepting our package or accepting scraps.
So the question, what the heck did we offer them?

[nyc1695]

dont expect the nuggets to trade melo before the deadline... they're gonna keep him as long as they can and pull the triggger on the best offer they get

He also sells a lot of tickets at the pepsi center so may as well use his star power for as long as they can.

[FieldsMedal]

So the question, what the heck did we offer them?

You might be asking the wrong question.

If I were Denver, and it's still 7 weeks until the trade deadline, there is no way I give up 'Melo (unless overwhelmed) without sending back Harrington as the price of admission.

Why would they? What possible motivation do they have to trade "Melo now without shedding Harrington?

[Jay10]

lol@ Ujiri having to go through this again

[cgmw]

Im curious what Denver is planning

So is Denver

Not buying the spite argument. Denver is waiting until they have the most leverage to make a deal. Plain and simple.

Think about it. The reason we'd give up the farm for Melo in February is because we're afraid he'd sign elsewhere in the offseason. That potential summer market for Carmelo gives Denver leverage right up until the day they lose him.

And don't forget Denver's biggest trump card is the unsettled CBA. Melo may act tough, but he's gotta be sweating the new CBA. Honestly, what would any of you do? Would you really risk losing tens of millions by not signing an extension before the current CBA expires?

If I'm the Denver GM, I call Carmelo's bluff right up to the last second. If there's a sweetheart deal at the deadline, I take it. If not, I take my chances in the summer that Carmelo either re-signs or else fetches me something of value in a sign & trade.

[RHODEY]

So the question, what the heck did we offer them?

You might be asking the wrong question.

If I were Denver, and it's still 7 weeks until the trade deadline, there is no way I give up 'Melo (unless overwhelmed) without sending back Harrington as the price of admission.

Why would they? What possible motivation do they have to trade "Melo now without shedding Harrington?

While I agree that Denver might not need to move Melo now, by deadline they could be faced with the question I posed.

As far as Harrington, I don;t know. They personally gave him that contract, perhaps they value him somewhat, heck for his production some might even argue they might want to keep him.

But say it is Feb14, and the only legit player at the table is NY. Where does the leverage come from to push Al onto us?

Denver: "If you dont take Al then no deal..."

Knicks: "OK well wait 4 months and get him for scraps"

Denver: ......

You see Denver is pissed because they know there is communication between Melo and Amare (and therefore the Knicks). That really is what takes their leverage away. But there is nothing they can do because Carmelo is the driver here.

[Jay10]

Im curious what Denver is planning

So is Denver

Not buying the spite argument. Denver is waiting until they have the most leverage to make a deal. Plain and simple.

Think about it. The reason we'd give up the farm for Melo in February is because we're afraid he'd sign elsewhere in the offseason. That potential summer market for Carmelo gives Denver leverage right up until the day they lose him.

And don't forget Denver's biggest trump card is the unsettled CBA. Melo may act tough, but he's gotta be sweating the new CBA. Honestly, what would any of you do? Would you really risk losing tens of millions by not signing an extension before the current CBA expires?

If I'm the Denver GM, I call Carmelo's bluff right up to the last second. If there's a sweetheart deal at the deadline, I take it. If not, I take my chances in the summer that Carmelo either re-signs or else fetches me something of value in a sign & trade.

???????

why would he wait until july to re-sign, if he can sign the extension now?

[cgmw]

But say it is Feb14, and the only legit player at the table is NY. Where does the leverage come from to push Al onto us?

Denver: "If you dont take Al then no deal..."

Knicks: "OK well wait 4 months and get him for scraps"

Denver: ......

Disagree.
1) The longer Denver waits, the more potential suitors can outbid each other.
2) If he's not dealt in February, Carmelo can only sign an extension under the current CBA with Denver.

If they don't have a deal they like in February, they won't bat an eye at taking this to the summer. There's nothing stopping Carmelo from signing an extension with Denver after the trade deadline, but before the current CBA expires. IMO the conversation goes like this:

Knicks: "Here's our best offer."
Denver: "No thanks. We'll take our chances that he re-signs after the deadline or that we get a good s&t this summer"

[cgmw]

???????

why would he wait until july to re-sign, if he can sign the extension now?

Carmelo stands to lose a fortune if the new CBA is radically changed. If Denver's smart, they act as if Carmelo's bluffing.

If I'm Denver, and there's no deal I like n February, then I go balls to the wall and deny him a trade. Then I pressure him to sign an extension after the trade deadline, but before the CBA expires.

That's an awful lot of money to leave on the table. Seriously, has any other player in the entire league turned down an extension before this summer? There's a decent chance that Melo is just flexing a little muscle. When push comes to shove, will he really risk not signing an extension this season? Personally, IDK.

[seren]

???????

why would he wait until july to re-sign, if he can sign the extension now?

Carmelo stands to lose a fortune if the new CBA is radically changed. If Denver's smart, they act as if Carmelo's bluffing.

If I'm Denver, and there's no deal I like n February, then I go balls to the wall and deny him a trade. Then I pressure him to sign an extension after the trade deadline, but before the CBA expires.

That's an awful lot of money to leave on the table. Seriously, has any other player in the entire league turned down an extension before this summer? There's a decent chance that Melo is just flexing a little muscle. When push comes to shove, will he really risk not signing an extension this season? Personally, IDK.

I guess that strategy worked really well for Bosh and LBJ. NOT...

[Jay10]

lmao

[RHODEY]

???????

why would he wait until july to re-sign, if he can sign the extension now?

Carmelo stands to lose a fortune if the new CBA is radically changed. If Denver's smart, they act as if Carmelo's bluffing.

If I'm Denver, and there's no deal I like n February, then I go balls to the wall and deny him a trade. Then I pressure him to sign an extension after the trade deadline, but before the CBA expires.

That's an awful lot of money to leave on the table. Seriously, has any other player in the entire league turned down an extension before this summer? There's a decent chance that Melo is just flexing a little muscle. When push comes to shove, will he really risk not signing an extension this season? Personally, IDK.

I guess that strategy worked really well for Bosh and LBJ. NOT...

Exactly, Melo has told them we wouldn't resign, no amount of pressure will make him change his mind. I believe it would have the opposite effect.

These owners have a tough time realizing that Players have choices....

[cgmw]

I guess that strategy worked really well for Bosh and LBJ. NOT...

Neither LBJ nor Bosh were risking a new collective bargaining agreement. They went into the offseason knowing exactly how much money they stood to gain or lose by leaving. If Carmelo goes into the summer without a contract, he has absolutely no idea how much a MAX contract will be worth. Not to mention the risk that he sits home for several months during a lockout without a contract or a paycheck. That's a big risk and the reason every single player offered an extension has taken it.

But Sweet Wayne's World reference though.

[vinnie_vegas69]

And don't forget Denver's biggest trump card is the unsettled CBA. Melo may act tough, but he's gotta be sweating the new CBA. Honestly, what would any of you do? Would you really risk losing tens of millions by not signing an extension before the current CBA expires?

If I'm the Denver GM, I call Carmelo's bluff right up to the last second. If there's a sweetheart deal at the deadline, I take it. If not, I take my chances in the summer that Carmelo either re-signs or else fetches me something of value in a sign & trade.

Do you really think that they're going to lower the max salary to 50 bucks?

Carmelo is going to get paid millions upon millions of dollars, no matter what happens with the CBA, and if he signs in NY, he'll be making a lot more in endorsement deals than he's currently making in Denver.