[Camelo Thread Part 6] - Update: NJ tries again Pg. 71

[ophdog]

And don't forget Denver's biggest trump card is the unsettled CBA. Melo may act tough, but he's gotta be sweating the new CBA. Honestly, what would any of you do? Would you really risk losing tens of millions by not signing an extension before the current CBA expires?

If I'm the Denver GM, I call Carmelo's bluff right up to the last second. If there's a sweetheart deal at the deadline, I take it. If not, I take my chances in the summer that Carmelo either re-signs or else fetches me something of value in a sign & trade.

Do you really think that they're going to lower the max salary to 50 bucks?

Carmelo is going to get paid millions upon millions of dollars, no matter what happens with the CBA, and if he signs in NY, he'll be making a lot more in endorsement deals than he's currently making in Denver.

I agree... He might lose lets say 15 million on the life of the deal.. the knicks can line up plenty of endorsements to lure him. Look at Amare hes a bigger star than ever.

[ophdog]

Unfortunately i think this goes to the deadline.. Then i pray if hes not dealt to us he is still on DEnver just as big a win for us as getting him via trade maybe bigger.

[Knicks_Fan2]

I guess that strategy worked really well for Bosh and LBJ. NOT...

Neither LBJ nor Bosh were risking a new collective bargaining agreement. They went into the offseason knowing exactly how much money they stood to gain or lose by leaving. If Carmelo goes into the summer without a contract, he has absolutely no idea how much a MAX contract will be worth. Not to mention the risk that he sits home for several months during a lockout without a contract or a paycheck. That's a big risk and the reason every single player offered an extension has taken it.

But Sweet Wayne's World reference though.

Nobody gets paid for the pendency of a lockout and I highly doubt the major cut in the new cba is max deals. True max players like lebron already are underpaid with respect to their true market value. It's the middle class that will take the largest hit.

[seren]

And don't forget Denver's biggest trump card is the unsettled CBA. Melo may act tough, but he's gotta be sweating the new CBA. Honestly, what would any of you do? Would you really risk losing tens of millions by not signing an extension before the current CBA expires?

If I'm the Denver GM, I call Carmelo's bluff right up to the last second. If there's a sweetheart deal at the deadline, I take it. If not, I take my chances in the summer that Carmelo either re-signs or else fetches me something of value in a sign & trade.

Do you really think that they're going to lower the max salary to 50 bucks?

Carmelo is going to get paid millions upon millions of dollars, no matter what happens with the CBA, and if he signs in NY, he'll be making a lot more in endorsement deals than he's currently making in Denver.

Funny thing is these naysayers do not understand that even old contracts may be adjusted with the new CBA.

[RHODEY]

And don't forget Denver's biggest trump card is the unsettled CBA. Melo may act tough, but he's gotta be sweating the new CBA. Honestly, what would any of you do? Would you really risk losing tens of millions by not signing an extension before the current CBA expires?

If I'm the Denver GM, I call Carmelo's bluff right up to the last second. If there's a sweetheart deal at the deadline, I take it. If not, I take my chances in the summer that Carmelo either re-signs or else fetches me something of value in a sign & trade.

Do you really think that they're going to lower the max salary to 50 bucks?

Carmelo is going to get paid millions upon millions of dollars, no matter what happens with the CBA, and if he signs in NY, he'll be making a lot more in endorsement deals than he's currently making in Denver.

I agree... He might lose lets say 15 million on the life of the deal.. the knicks can line up plenty of endorsements to lure him. Look at Amare hes a bigger star than ever.

Yep. The dude also just wants to come home. His whole life, family, friends, etc is centered in NYC not the Colorado Rockies.

[cgmw]

And don't forget Denver's biggest trump card is the unsettled CBA. Melo may act tough, but he's gotta be sweating the new CBA. Honestly, what would any of you do? Would you really risk losing tens of millions by not signing an extension before the current CBA expires?

If I'm the Denver GM, I call Carmelo's bluff right up to the last second. If there's a sweetheart deal at the deadline, I take it. If not, I take my chances in the summer that Carmelo either re-signs or else fetches me something of value in a sign & trade.

Do you really think that they're going to lower the max salary to 50 bucks?

Carmelo is going to get paid millions upon millions of dollars, no matter what happens with the CBA, and if he signs in NY, he'll be making a lot more in endorsement deals than he's currently making in Denver.

I'm sorry, are you an expert on this? Because I'm not. All I know is that the economy has gone into recession since the previous CBA, and that the owners claim to be bleeding money. Neither you, me, nor Carmelo Anthony can see into the future.

I'm not saying Denver will call his bluff. I am saying that any sane person would be concerned about losing money. The bottom line here is that Denver is the only team that can get Carmelo an extension under the current CBA. That's their leverage, and I expect them to use it fully.

[cgmw]

Yep. The dude also just wants to come home. His whole life, family, friends, etc is centered in NYC not the Colorado Rockies.

Baltimore says hi.

[RHODEY]

Yep. The dude also just wants to come home. His whole life, family, friends, etc is centered in NYC not the Colorado Rockies.

Baltimore says hi.

true and Brooklyn.... but the point remains it aint Denver.

[ophdog]

i really think Denver might just hold onto to him for some idiotic reason. Its what donnie is hoping for. He knows they dont have any team for him to really go to. Any other situation that Melo would approve of would of materialized. And dont get me started on NJ they have never been in it.

[cgmw]

Nobody gets paid for the pendency of a lockout

Is that true? I guess that actually makes a lot of sense. No ticket sales, no paycheck. Right.

and I highly doubt the major cut in the new cba is max deals. True max players like lebron already are underpaid with respect to their true market value. It's the middle class that will take the largest hit.

Again, that's a risk you might be willing to take as an outsider just speculating. But this is Carmelo's actual life. It's a big risk that gives Denver leverage even after the deadline. That's all I'm saying.

[vinnie_vegas69]

Maybe you not getting the point. Bounce.

like a kangaroo.

Kangaroos hop........

Yeah, and while we're at it, Koalas aren't bears. Remember that.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Yep. The dude also just wants to come home. His whole life, family, friends, etc is centered in NYC not the Colorado Rockies.

Baltimore says hi.

This is true but you are forgetting about LaLa. All of her family is from NY and they want her home. Also a lot of married athletes move to cities where their wife feels most comfortable. Look at Cliff Lee. Oh, and Baltimore is a train ride away from NY. jus sayin'.

[BBALLER4FR]

and I highly doubt the major cut in the new cba is max deals. True max players like lebron already are underpaid with respect to their true market value. It's the middle class that will take the largest hit.

Again, that's a risk you might be willing to take as an outsider just speculating. But this is Carmelo's actual life. It's a big risk that gives Denver leverage even after the deadline. That's all I'm saying.

Not that I totally disagree with you but considering Melo's current stance and the recent family tragedy, I'm more inclined to believe he'd forgo a few million to be closer to his loved ones. IMHO the CBA means less to him now more than ever. Denver might as well fold 'em if that's their trump card.

[Gregory151]

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thats how ive been seeing it.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Is melo really going to sign an extension through the prime of his career for a team that essentially--after being repeatedly rejected--bullied him into signing it??? I HIGHLY doubt it.

[cgmw]

Is melo really going to sign an extension through the prime of his career for a team that essentially--after being repeatedly rejected--bullied him into signing it??? I HIGHLY doubt it.

If I own the Denver Nuggets basketball franchise, do I particularly give a sh*t? I do what's best for my franchise, not what's best for Carmelo Anthony. If there's even a slight chance my once-in-a-lifetime franchise player re-signs, I don't trade him. That's what happened to LBJ and Bosh, and it's probably what will happen here.

Just because Melo wants out, doesn't mean Denver won't try to keep him. Trading him at the deadline is something that would be devastating to that franchise. Would it be more devastating to lose him for nothing? Yeah. Of course. But if you think there's even a slim chance of re-signing him, do you really pull the trigger in Feb? If so, you better get one helluva deal.

[ophdog]

And that is the kind of thinking that will have Denver sitting there holding its jock in July... The same attitude CLE and Tor had. Either of those teams would take gallinari alone right now if it could and atleast have a piece moving forward.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Is melo really going to sign an extension through the prime of his career for a team that essentially--after being repeatedly rejected--bullied him into signing it??? I HIGHLY doubt it.

If I own the Denver Nuggets basketball franchise, do I particularly give a sh*t? I do what's best for my franchise, not what's best for Carmelo Anthony. If there's even a slight chance my once-in-a-lifetime franchise player re-signs, I don't trade him. That's what happened to LBJ and Bosh, and it's probably what will happen here.

Just because Melo wants out, doesn't mean Denver won't try to keep him. Trading him at the deadline is something that would be devastating to that franchise. Would it be more devastating to lose him for nothing? Yeah. Of course. But if you think there's even a slim chance of re-signing him, do you really pull the trigger in Feb? If so, you better get one helluva deal.

They can try all they want to get a "helluva deal" but if 'Melo is not signing the extension with said team, then they'll get chicken scraps.

[cgmw]

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Compared to the chance LBJ re-signed in Cleveland, Dan Gilbert didn't give a sh*t about putting Danillo Gallinari on the Cavs.

The slim chance Carmelo re-signs in Denver is much more valuable to them than Danilo Gallinari could ever be. That's just the simple truth.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Is melo really going to sign an extension through the prime of his career for a team that essentially--after being repeatedly rejected--bullied him into signing it??? I HIGHLY doubt it.

If I own the Denver Nuggets basketball franchise, do I particularly give a sh*t? I do what's best for my franchise, not what's best for Carmelo Anthony. If there's even a slight chance my once-in-a-lifetime franchise player re-signs, I don't trade him. That's what happened to LBJ and Bosh, and it's probably what will happen here.

Just because Melo wants out, doesn't mean Denver won't try to keep him. Trading him at the deadline is something that would be devastating to that franchise. Would it be more devastating to lose him for nothing? Yeah. Of course. But if you think there's even a slim chance of re-signing him, do you really pull the trigger in Feb? If so, you better get one helluva deal.

Of course you give a **** on anything that impacts his probability of resigning. If bullying him is going to leave you high and dry with nothing you better care or else you get a TPE and nothing else. Would rather take a very talented young wing and a first round pick over nothing.