Beasley: Could He Reach Melo Level or Close To It?

[Justdatdude]

You know, TW is right.

Beasley in Minn is a lot like Melo's game. But without the record?

The interesting part about Melo is that he carried his teams to the playoffs every year with dysfunctional rosters. He got put next to other volume guys (e.g. Iverson) or half court guards who didnt excel in the PnR (e.g. Billups) because of their lack of interior offense.

Yet, when you look at Minnesota, Beasley can do whatever he wants but cannot carry his team. Were the Denver teams better? Of course. Beasley seems like an enigma. He's not good enough to double the whole game (unlike Melo) but too good that you ahve to put your best wing defender on him.

Melo seems like a player who can succeed with different systems (e.g. he wouldnt want to come here unless he enjoyed playing in D'antoni's system for the USA team or if he thought he couldn't win with Amare) yet, Beasley floundered next to one of the best guards in the game.. Wade.

Its a difference when you're an established star playing with another established star and when you're a rookie trying to play next to an established star. Read the Around The NBA threads. Read what me and TheBluest were saying last season. Wade actually lessens the impact of his teammates. Its hard to play with the guy.

Carmelo coming into the NBA was a proven winner and though the team he came to wasn't good, he came to a team that finally had a healthy Marcus Camby and a good playmaking point guard in Andre Miller. Carmelo came into a team with a few vets that had experience and knew how to play in the 4th quarter. Last night was the 10th time the Wolves blew a 4th quarter lead and 8th double digit lead. They don't know how to win in the 4th quarter and you have to credit that with the team being young and inexperienced. Similar to Durant team when he came into the league. They just were to young. 2 years later without adding any veterans and the players growing together, they're one of the best teams in the league. Its just going to take Minnesota some time. Doesn't help that they had the toughest schedule in the league (at least they did based on Hollinger about a week ago).

[seren]

The only thing that Beasley and Melo have in common is they play the same position. Also Melo used to have similar hairstyle. I guess that makes two.

[funkatron101]

The only thing that Beasley and Melo have in common is they play the same position. Also Melo used to have similar hairstyle. I guess that makes two.

What about the tattoos?!

[moocow007]

The only thing that Beasley and Melo have in common is they play the same position. Also Melo used to have similar hairstyle. I guess that makes two.

What about the tattoos?!

Beasley has much more.

[Justdatdude]

I think Beasley is more Glen Robinson than he is Carmelo Anthony.

That is a pretty good comparison. I think a better title is will Beasley reach Big Dog level?

He isn't even close to Melo right now...Its really not that hard to drop 20 a game being on a bad team. The list is long. But the question is what else is that guy doing to help his team win besides score? It goes back to the eye test.

You knew who was was compared to Glenn Robinson? That's right. Carmelo Anthony. Believe it or not Glenn Robinson was a nice player, he just wasn't a player that can lead his team to wins. I think Beasley will be a player that can lead his team to wins, but it's going to take a year for this team to grow and for Rambis to learn to stop doing stupid crap in the 4th quarter.

Its not hard to drop 20 a game on a bad team, but its more than hard to drop 20 a game on 48% shooting from the field and 44% from deep. How many players in the league can do that? He's not scoring in the Durant way of running off screens and getting a foul whenever someone breathes on him. Its takes a lot of skill to do what he's doing.

Its rare that I'm high on young guys, especially a guy like Beasley who a lot of people seem to have given up on. But I think this kid is going to be a force in this league. A player doesn't have the array of moves Beasley have and just turn into a 'good player'. This kid will be special. Mark my words.

[CDAZ]

Beasley remind me of SAR minus the character and hard work. Kid seems very talented but he needs to mature some more. That T-wolves team has a nice started 5. 2 more years of experience and 2 decent bench scorers will have them in the playoffs. Once Mello leaves Denver some team is gonna have to fill that spot. LAC, Golden State or Minny can be that team to fill the vacant slot.

[seren]

The only thing Melo and big dog have in common is Melo also play the three.

[funkatron101]

The only thing Melo and big dog have in common is Melo also play the three.

and this.

http://www.dui.com/dui-library/celebrit ... eorgia-dui


You aren't very good at this game.

[seren]

The only thing Melo and big dog have in common is Melo also play the three.

and this.

http://www.dui.com/dui-library/celebrit ... eorgia-dui


You aren't very good at this game.

yep. have to agree.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

You knew who was was compared to Glenn Robinson? That's right. Carmelo Anthony. Believe it or not Glenn Robinson was a nice player, he just wasn't a player that can lead his team to wins. I think Beasley will be a player that can lead his team to wins, but it's going to take a year for this team to grow and for Rambis to learn to stop doing stupid crap in the 4th quarter.

Its not hard to drop 20 a game on a bad team, but its more than hard to drop 20 a game on 48% shooting from the field and 44% from deep. How many players in the league can do that? He's not scoring in the Durant way of running off screens and getting a foul whenever someone breathes on him. Its takes a lot of skill to do what he's doing.

Its rare that I'm high on young guys, especially a guy like Beasley who a lot of people seem to have given up on. But I think this kid is going to be a force in this league. A player doesn't have the array of moves Beasley have and just turn into a 'good player'. This kid will be special. Mark my words.

Robinson was absolutely a nice player, but like you said, he never showed that he could lead his team to wins. Even before Ray Allen arrived in Milwaukee, Vin Baker was leading the Bucks, not Big Dog. Similarly, one could argue that Kevin Love does more to help the Wolves win than Beasley does. He gets almost as many points, is leading the league with a staggering 15 rpg, and plays better defense than Beas.

Melo distinguished himself from Robinson almost right away, stepping in as the leader of that team and taking them to the playoffs beginning right in his rookie year. Sure he had help from vets like Andre Miller and a finally healthy Camby, but it was Melo's team.

[dk7th]

beasley has a usage rate of almost 29% and he averages 1.8 assists a game.

that translates to a player who gets his own but doesn't make others better. i say fool's gold.

by the way that first game gallinari scored 18 points in the same first half that beasley scored 19 points when they were checking each other.

but sure beasley is a million times better.

[Justdatdude]

Robinson was absolutely a nice player, but like you said, he never showed that he could lead his team to wins. Even before Ray Allen arrived in Milwaukee, Vin Baker was leading the Bucks, not Big Dog. Similarly, one could argue that Kevin Love does more to help the Wolves win than Beasley does. He gets almost as many points, is leading the league with a staggering 15 rpg, and plays better defense than Beas.

And this is why I hate when guys comment without knowing anything about what they're talking about. SMH.

[Justdatdude]

beasley has a usage rate of almost 29% and he averages 1.8 assists a game.

that translates to a player who gets his own but doesn't make others better. i say fool's gold.

by the way that first game gallinari scored 18 points in the same first half that beasley scored 19 points when they were checking each other.

but sure beasley is a million times better.

And Beasley scored how many in the second half and Gallo scored how many in the second half/

Yes. Gallinari is inconsistent. No sarcasm.

And yes...Beasley is better than Gallinari. No argument necessary.

Here's your Gallinari and Beasley discussion topic if you want to compare the two...

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1001677

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

Robinson was absolutely a nice player, but like you said, he never showed that he could lead his team to wins. Even before Ray Allen arrived in Milwaukee, Vin Baker was leading the Bucks, not Big Dog. Similarly, one could argue that Kevin Love does more to help the Wolves win than Beasley does. He gets almost as many points, is leading the league with a staggering 15 rpg, and plays better defense than Beas.

And this is why I hate when guys comment without knowing anything about what they're talking about. SMH.

Sorry, I should have qualified that statement with "though neither player is a good defender".

[dk7th]

beasley has a usage rate of almost 29% and he averages 1.8 assists a game.

that translates to a player who gets his own but doesn't make others better. i say fool's gold.

by the way that first game gallinari scored 18 points in the same first half that beasley scored 19 points when they were checking each other.

but sure beasley is a million times better.

And Beasley scored how many in the second half and Gallo scored how many in the second half/

Yes. Gallinari is inconsistent. No sarcasm.

And yes...Beasley is better than Gallinari. No argument necessary.

Here's your Gallinari and Beasley discussion topic if you want to compare the two...

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1001677

second half of that game chandler started guarding beasley. you should be comparing chandler's second half numbers, not gallinari's, to beasley's.

i'll save you the trouble: beasley outscored chandler.

if gallinari had an almost 29% usage rate one can only wonder what he would be doing offensively every night. and defensively it's no contest. gallinari is the better defender and defense is at least half the game. most casual fans like you conveniently leave that out habitually.

"better" is a matter of opinion unless you can create similar contexts-- and because you can't your just guessing, aside from the fact you have admitted you just don't like gallinari. not only that but "better" is virtually meaningless in a team sport. individual sports, sure. but not team sports.

i don't know who is "better," but i do know whose game translates better to winning as of right now.

[Krapinsky]

beasley has a usage rate of almost 29% and he averages 1.8 assists a game.
that translates to a player who gets his own but doesn't make others better. i say fool's gold.

by the way that first game gallinari scored 18 points in the same first half that beasley scored 19 points when they were checking each other.

but sure beasley is a million times better.

Pretty close to Amare's numbers FWIW

[j4remi]

beasley has a usage rate of almost 29% and he averages 1.8 assists a game.
that translates to a player who gets his own but doesn't make others better. i say fool's gold.

by the way that first game gallinari scored 18 points in the same first half that beasley scored 19 points when they were checking each other.

but sure beasley is a million times better.

Pretty close to Amare's numbers FWIW

He complains about Amare's apg compared to usage rate too though. Call him what you want, but he's consistent.

[seren]

The only thing that Gallo and Beasley has in common is they are both selected in the same draft. And the suits they wore to the draft were fugly.

[Deeeez Knicks]

You knew who was was compared to Glenn Robinson? That's right. Carmelo Anthony. Believe it or not Glenn Robinson was a nice player, he just wasn't a player that can lead his team to wins. I think Beasley will be a player that can lead his team to wins, but it's going to take a year for this team to grow and for Rambis to learn to stop doing stupid crap in the 4th quarter.

Its not hard to drop 20 a game on a bad team, but its more than hard to drop 20 a game on 48% shooting from the field and 44% from deep. How many players in the league can do that? He's not scoring in the Durant way of running off screens and getting a foul whenever someone breathes on him. Its takes a lot of skill to do what he's doing.

Its rare that I'm high on young guys, especially a guy like Beasley who a lot of people seem to have given up on. But I think this kid is going to be a force in this league. A player doesn't have the array of moves Beasley have and just turn into a 'good player'. This kid will be special. Mark my words.

Robinson was absolutely a nice player, but like you said, he never showed that he could lead his team to wins. Even before Ray Allen arrived in Milwaukee, Vin Baker was leading the Bucks, not Big Dog. Similarly, one could argue that Kevin Love does more to help the Wolves win than Beasley does. He gets almost as many points, is leading the league with a staggering 15 rpg, and plays better defense than Beas.

Melo distinguished himself from Robinson almost right away, stepping in as the leader of that team and taking them to the playoffs beginning right in his rookie year. Sure he had help from vets like Andre Miller and a finally healthy Camby, but it was Melo's team.

Exactly. There's a huge difference between Big Dog and Melo. Melo is just better all around. You could build around him and he could lead a team. While Big dog couldn't.

Big Dog was a very talented scorer though. So I don't think comparing him to Beasley or Beasleys ceiling is a diss or anything. Coming out of college he was a great scoring SF like Melo. Like Beasley. But in the NBA its different and players get distinguished.

The thing I don't like about Beasley is that I just see a talented scorer and not much going on. Just not a fan of the way he plays. I prefer guys who can do multiple things on the court with an all-around game. Not a fan of ball hogs

[TKF]

beasley has a usage rate of almost 29% and he averages 1.8 assists a game.

that translates to a player who gets his own but doesn't make others better. i say fool's gold.

by the way that first game gallinari scored 18 points in the same first half that beasley scored 19 points when they were checking each other.

but sure beasley is a million times better.

And Beasley scored how many in the second half and Gallo scored how many in the second half/

Yes. Gallinari is inconsistent. No sarcasm.

And yes...Beasley is better than Gallinari. No argument necessary.

Here's your Gallinari and Beasley discussion topic if you want to compare the two...

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1001677

Better at what?