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Post#1 » by emperorjones » Sun Jan 2, 2011 4:08 pm

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/3089420-419/tice-offensive-bears-coach-mike.html

A veteran NFL scout who specializes in evaluating offensive linemen is not only impressed with the job Mike Tice has done patching together the Bears’ offensive line but believes Tice has identified building blocks for the future. Speaking on the condition of anonymity, here’s what he said about specific Bears linemen:

On Frank Omiyale: “Take some of the great players on the left side like Jake Long in Miami and Joe Thomas in Cleveland. They’re big, dominant guys who can move their feet. He’s not that but he’s in the top half or top third of left tackles in the game right now. He’s a guy who works at it, finesses it and gets it done. He’ll get better because Mike is working with him.”

On Chris Williams: “He doesn’t break down as much as I thought he would. I know they brought him in to be their left tackle, but he’s not good on an island. He’s more suited to that inside position.”

On veteran center Olin Kreutz: “He’s a good leader. He’s lost a little because of Father Time, but he’s still a vital part of what they do.”

On rookie J’Marcus Webb: “If that big right tackle can’t play he could stomp out forest fires somewhere. He’s really coming along. He has been a catalyst. That’s what Mike is best at, bringing along those young pups.”


The way the offensive line performed against the New York Jets on Sunday is enough to make you rethink how far these Bears can advance in the playoffs.

The offense is no longer succeeding despite its line but because of it. Improbably enough, the Bears’ most glaring weakness became a strength, if only for a week.....

Tice set a simple goal for the season: Get better every week. He hopes his unit has another month to improve, which would put the Bears in the Super Bowl.

“[The Jets game] was the fastest they have played, meaning mentally sharp coming off a short week against a team that does a lot of stuff,” Tice said. “You’re always going to get unscouted looks against the Jets, and I thought it was the best job the guys did of handling the unscouted looks, which tells me they are starting to learn the rules we’ve tried to install.

“That means they’re getting it and they’re getting better.”


Mel Kiper wrote:Chicago Bears
Top needs: C, RG, DT, CB
Pick strategy: I'm not sold on the idea that it's a foregone conclusion the Bears will go after an offensive lineman in Round 1. That's because where they really need to look -- mainly on the interior given development they've gotten on the edges -- is a place you can find some value at a later point. You just don't see guards and centers drafted in the first round too often...
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Re: Bears and the O-Line 

Post#2 » by emperorjones » Sun Jan 2, 2011 4:23 pm

It seems to me that the O-Line is improving substantially. Through the first 7 weeks the O-Line gave up 32 sacks. In the last 8 games they have given up 18 (many of which have been on Cutler for holding the ball). I have seen a lot of improvement in Webb particularly. It seems that outsiders are seeing this development as well. I was surprised to see a scout put Omiyale in the to 10 possibly of LTs! And Kiper state that we are most improved on the edges.

If Webb and Omiyale (its his first year as a starting LT) keep improving under Tice it will be huge for the team from a drafting & FA strategy. With Tice heading up that position, maybe even late (Webb is a 7th rounder from a division II school). As Kiper stated, we can pick up a G or C in rounds 3-5 pretty easily, allowing us to focus on DT & CB in the first 2 rounds.

Its possible with the drafting of a G & C in the mid rounds along with the development of Lance Louis, new signee Herman Johnson or Edwin Williams that the O-Line will have been totally rebuilt and extremely young (and very big).
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Re: Bears and the O-Line 

Post#3 » by WEFFPIM » Sun Jan 2, 2011 11:47 pm

This was an ill-timed thread
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Post#4 » by emperorjones » Mon Jan 3, 2011 1:23 am

Not at all. This thread is about a trend of development, not one particular game.

In any event, IMO, Cutler caused 3 of those sacks. Frank got burned bad once and Webb got burned bad by Matthews - but that matchup will never be won by a big RT - any RT IMO. Garza gave up a bad one when he was just caught looking the wrong way in space. Manumaleuna gave up a bad one to Woodson...and I don't expect Manumaleuna to be on the team next year at all.

IMO, the tackles in general played well, especially considering the number of blitz the Packers sent with us deep in our own territory. I thought Williams played well. We did run for 110 yards on a day when our guys had little to play for. If you read the articles, they are pointing to an overall trend that we are improving at the tackle positions and Williams is settling in at LG. I think if we develop or draft a big RG and move Garza to backup Center next season we could be solid for years to come.

I expect the Packers to beat Philly next week - so our O-Line's next test will come likely against the Saints at home. I like that matchup. Particularly Webb/Omilyale on our old friend Alex (no pressure) Brown.
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Re: Bears and the O-Line 

Post#5 » by The Explorer » Tue Jan 4, 2011 6:08 pm

I still don't trust Williams one bit. Webb and Omiyale are coming along slowly. Garza and Kruetz are serviceable, but Kreutz is getting old. With his contract up, its a perfect time to replace him. They should draft LG with their 2nd round pick, and a C in the 3rd round.
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Re: Bears and the O-Line 

Post#6 » by Cliff Levingston » Tue Jan 4, 2011 8:37 pm

charity stripe wrote:I still don't trust Williams one bit. Webb and Omiyale are coming along slowly. Garza and Kruetz are serviceable, but Kreutz is getting old. With his contract up, its a perfect time to replace him. They should draft LG with their 2nd round pick, and a C in the 3rd round.

Cliff Levingston will meet you halfway. Kreutz is done, Garza is pretty small and Williams is tough to trust. It's amazing to think that we might have our bookends locked up in Omiyale and Webb but we definitely need some young talent.

Cliff Levingston sees the Bears giving Kreutz another year, and as long as Williams is upright, they're not going to bench a recent 1st round pick. That really only leaves' Garza's spot open, possibly, though he's been a lot better than Lance Louis. We definitely need a good center prospect, so maybe if the top one is still on the board in the 2nd, we do that. Otherwise, we could wait a little bit, maybe pick up a couple late prospects like Webb was and let Tice work his magic for a year. It really is quite amazing to see a raw prospect like J'Marcus Webb doing as well as he is now.
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Re: Bears and the O-Line 

Post#7 » by ChronicKerr » Wed Jan 5, 2011 9:18 pm

Webb has been worse than Oh My God was last year when everyone wanted him off the team, now people are talking about keeping them both as our starting tackles next year? Me wants to draft another tackle, pronto.
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Post#8 » by emperorjones » Wed Jan 5, 2011 9:52 pm

I think Webb will be a stud. I wanted him in the draft and was hoping he'd work into the starting lineup. That said, I don't like Frank as a starter. I'd be happy with him backing up either Tackle spot, but I'd like for us to draft a big LT and there seem to be a few that will be available in Round 1. After that, I'd like a Guard in round 3 and possible move Garza to backup center.
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Re: Bears and the O-Line 

Post#9 » by ChronicKerr » Wed Jan 5, 2011 10:10 pm

OL, OL, DT, CB - first four picks (not necesarily in that order).
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Re: Bears and the O-Line 

Post#10 » by WEFFPIM » Thu Jan 6, 2011 2:53 am

Webb is frightening. It's been a long time since I've seen a tackle that spins around, misses his guy or just completely reads the defense wrong like him.
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Post#11 » by emperorjones » Thu Jan 6, 2011 3:53 pm

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0106-bears-chicago--20110105,0,2837404.story

Tice says line didn't play poorly against Packers
Offensive line coach defends unit and absolves it, mostly, from blame

By Brad Biggs, Tribune Reporter

9:07 PM CST, January 5, 2011

What at first looked like the kind of snarled effort from the line that crippled the Bears offense earlier in the year may not have been nearly as bad you think....But after the players reviewed game film Wednesday morning with coach Mike Tice, they didn't' think it was as bad as it looked.

First, the Bears rushed for 110 yards on 20 carries, creating questions why offensive coordinator Mike Martz went pass happy. Second, all six sacks can't be pinned on the line.

Cutler held the ball for six seconds on one and tight end Brandon Manumaleuna missed a block on one by Charles Woodson. Tackles Frank Omiyale and J'Marcus Webb were late out of their stances for a sack each, something that can be attributed to the crowd noise that was a significant factor. Webb gave up another when he was asked to solo block Clay Matthews on a third-and-18 play, a call the coaches surely wish they had back.

"There were 65 plays … and I told the guys I thought we had eight bad plays," Tice said. "What I was happy about, and maybe it didn't appear that way to the naked eye, we didn't get hit by any schemes."...Tice gave high praise to running back Matt Forte for his work in pass protection and said it might have been the best game of the season for Webb.

"I had all five guys grade out winning for five weeks in a row," Tice said. "So I am continuing to build on what they've been able to do and that's get better every week.

"(Center Olin Kreutz) called a great game. He was turning protection into the fire zones. He called his best game of the year because they brought some (stuff). They were bringing cross dogs, adding a safety, cross dogs bringing (Woodson). He kept turning protection into the blitzes. He was good.".....
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Re: Bears and the O-Line 

Post#12 » by WEFFPIM » Thu Jan 6, 2011 4:59 pm

The offensive line coach said the offensive line played well last game. Here is where I offer you a grain of salt.
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Post#13 » by emperorjones » Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:29 pm

The line gave up 5 sacks in 2 games in the playoffs. My end of season thought is we need a new LT as Omilyale rated last in the league in sacks given up. We also need to draft a center that can come in, learn under Tice and eventually become the starter. I don't think we'll take a guard, as Tice likes Lance Louis and only moved Garza back to RG to get some experience over there to settle things down.

I have a hunch that Tice is going to move Webb to LT. I know Webb is hated by most here & elsewhere, but he is a favorite of mine. I was hoping we'd get him on draft day and thought he might work his way into starting. The guy did an excellent job, coming in from a division 2 school. The last half of the year he really improved. At a minimum he's our right tackle for years to come.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Chris Williams back at LT next season, but would be happier if he stayed at LG. He seemed to fit in well there as the year went on. He's big and athletic but needs more awareness.

Two possible Lines I'd like to see:

LT - Williams
LG - Garza
C - Kruetz
RG - Louis
RT Webb

or

LT - 1st Round Pick
LG - Williams
C - Kruetz
RG - Garza
RT Webb

I favor the second as I's like to give Tice a stud young player to develop at the LT position.
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Re: Bears and the O-Line 

Post#14 » by blumeany » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:15 pm

Yeah, this O-Line is nowhere near 'developing' or 'competent'. Give credit to Tice for helping the Titanic to float just long enough for more people to jump off. :)
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