Bean Burrito / Nick Young Appreciation Thread.

Post #201 » by **nate33** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:18 pm

Ruzious wrote:It's actually fun to watch Nick play now - at both ends of the court. I never thought I'd say that. He knows his role is primarily to catch and shoot, take open shots - and not to dribble around (like Caron Butler) trying to take his man off the dribble. When he doesn't have a shot - don't waste time dribbling; zip the ball around and keep the offense moving. He's keepin it simple.

Yup.

When he plays now, I never bang my head in frustration at all the stuff he is doing wrong. He's a limited player for sure, but he is now a player who fully understands his limitations. He does only the stuff he's good at, and nothing else. And he's really good at the stuff he does. He's the best example we've seen in a while of a coach maximizing the talents of his player.

dobrojim · Post #202 » by **dobrojim** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:45 pm

the last phase of growth for Nick needs to be this -

right now he has great moves to free himself to
shoot open shots. How good would he be if he
started using his athleticism to create fouls?

Right now he's unguardable and is shooting
really well. Defenses have to just hope he
misses. What happens if he ever figures
out how to get to the stripe 8-10/gm?

tontoz · Post #203 » by **tontoz** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:53 pm

I have noticed in the last couple of games that teams are starting to anticipate his jumper off the dribble. Usually he takes one hard dribble and pulls up and i have seen guys clearly anticipating this.
The pullup J off the dribble is a very tough shot to stop, even when you know it is coming. He will probably need to vary when he pulls up though.

verbal8 · Post #204 » by **verbal8** » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:56 pm

dobrojim wrote:Right now he's unguardable and is shooting
really well. Defenses have to just hope he
misses. What happens if he ever figures
out how to get to the stripe 8-10/gm?

That and a couple of assists is the difference between him and Kevin Martin. And Nick is a better defender and shooter.

hands11 · Post #205 » by **hands11** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:05 am

dobrojim wrote:the last phase of growth for Nick needs to be this -

right now he has great moves to free himself to
shoot open shots. How good would he be if he
started using his athleticism to create fouls?

Right now he's unguardable and is shooting
really well. Defenses have to just hope he
misses. What happens if he ever figures
out how to get to the stripe 8-10/gm?

Guess you haven't been keeping up with this thread since that is one of two topics that have dominated the thread the last weeks. Driving more and starting. Well, an rebounding.

Sadly, since Nicks 10 FTA game 12/16 he has gone, 2, 2 and 1.

Get back to the line Nick. Also, against Chicago, he regressed to 1 rebound.

closg00 · Post #206 » by **closg00** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:21 pm

Let's talk about what really needs to be discussed on the boards........the Jeri Curl situtation, an intervention needs to happen here.
http://www.truthaboutit.net/2010/12/nic ... ds+Blog%29

DallasShalDune · Post #207 » by **DallasShalDune** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 11:17 pm

How would you all explain to a NY hater that he is a legit good player. I hear commentators and talk to friends who think he is garbage because of his assist and rebounding numbers. NY's job is to shoot off screens, create his own shot when we need him to do so, and play solid defense. He does the things that are required of him. Still, it is hard to defend his assist and rebounding numbers. Even if he creates his own shot, why doesn't he create shots for other people as well? Even mid-level SGs can average 3 assists a game.

I'm glad he blossoming this season, for sure.

queridiculo · Post #208 » by **queridiculo** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 11:40 pm

tontoz wrote:I have noticed in the last couple of games that teams are starting to anticipate his jumper off the dribble. Usually he takes one hard dribble and pulls up and i have seen guys clearly anticipating this.
The pullup J off the dribble is a very tough shot to stop, even when you know it is coming. He will probably need to vary when he pulls up though.

All he has to do is watch some tape on Kobe and start incorporating the pump fake into this game more. That should get him to the line more often, and it should provide him with a path to the rim where he can either dish it off or try to finish by himself.

He's already shown glimpses of that with his hesitation dribble, but I have barely seen him use the pump fake around the elbow of the box.

At this point though I think it's pretty safe to say that it's only a matter of time before Young adds to his repertoire. I never thought it would happen, but he's had quite a turn around from the time Saunders has arrived.

Post #209 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 5, 2011 11:57 pm

DallasShalDune wrote:How would you all explain to a NY hater that he is a legit good player. I hear commentators and talk to friends who think he is garbage because of his assist and rebounding numbers. NY's job is to shoot off screens, create his own shot when we need him to do so, and play solid defense. He does the things that are required of him. Still, it is hard to defend his assist and rebounding numbers. Even if he creates his own shot, why doesn't he create shots for other people as well? Even mid-level SGs can average 3 assists a game.

Young leads the team in on/off differential this year.
He was second on the team in on/off differential last year (second to Haywood).
He led the team in on/off differential the year before that.

Clearly, he's a guy who helps the team even if he doesn't stuff the box score. He plays very good positional man defense, and his ability to stretch the floor with his quick release shot makes life easier on his teammates - even when he doesn't touch the ball.

Nivek · Post #210 » by **Nivek** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 3:01 am

DallasShalDune wrote:How would you all explain to a NY hater that he is a legit good player. I hear commentators and talk to friends who think he is garbage because of his assist and rebounding numbers. NY's job is to shoot off screens, create his own shot when we need him to do so, and play solid defense. He does the things that are required of him. Still, it is hard to defend his assist and rebounding numbers. Even if he creates his own shot, why doesn't he create shots for other people as well? Even mid-level SGs can average 3 assists a game.

I'm glad he blossoming this season, for sure.

I wouldn't attempt that explanation because I don't think he's a legit good player. He's a good scorer on a bad team. He might be a solid 8th man for a good team looking for offense off the bench. But I don't think he has a future as an NBA starter. Not for a good team anyway.

dlts20 · Post #211 » by **dlts20** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 3:06 am

Nivek wrote:
DallasShalDune wrote:How would you all explain to a NY hater that he is a legit good player. I hear commentators and talk to friends who think he is garbage because of his assist and rebounding numbers. NY's job is to shoot off screens, create his own shot when we need him to do so, and play solid defense. He does the things that are required of him. Still, it is hard to defend his assist and rebounding numbers. Even if he creates his own shot, why doesn't he create shots for other people as well? Even mid-level SGs can average 3 assists a game.

I'm glad he blossoming this season, for sure.

I wouldn't attempt that explanation because I don't think he's a legit good player. He's a good scorer on a bad team. He might be a solid 8th man for a good team looking for offense off the bench. But I don't think he has a future as an NBA starter. Not for a good team anyway.

I totally disagree with that. He could start for alot of teams. Shoot, Stevenson starts for a great team in Dallas. NY doesnt do a ton of things but 2 things he does do darn well right now is score & defend man to man. What more do you need? You would love to have those other things but any coach would take a guy who score pretty much in any way possible and guard his man. NY is a very underrated defender right now

tontoz · Post #212 » by **tontoz** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 3:15 am

^^ +1

The Wizards dont need Young to be a playmaker. They have Wall for that. They need him to be able to score and defend his position which he can do. he can score without dominating the ball which makes him a great fit next to Wall.

hands11 · Post #213 » by **hands11** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 6:29 am

Nick Young is the main reason I watch this team right now.

So keep up the good work Nick and while your at it, more rebounds and more drives please.

Kanyewest · Post #214 » by **Kanyewest** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 9:00 am

Nivek wrote:
DallasShalDune wrote:How would you all explain to a NY hater that he is a legit good player. I hear commentators and talk to friends who think he is garbage because of his assist and rebounding numbers. NY's job is to shoot off screens, create his own shot when we need him to do so, and play solid defense. He does the things that are required of him. Still, it is hard to defend his assist and rebounding numbers. Even if he creates his own shot, why doesn't he create shots for other people as well? Even mid-level SGs can average 3 assists a game.

I'm glad he blossoming this season, for sure.

I wouldn't attempt that explanation because I don't think he's a legit good player. He's a good scorer on a bad team. He might be a solid 8th man for a good team looking for offense off the bench. But I don't think he has a future as an NBA starter. Not for a good team anyway.

I actually think Young could start for a few playoff caliber teams- Utah, Dallas, Chicago, OKC, and New York. Yes Young will need talent around in order for his team to be successful, but what player doesn't?

verbal8 · Post #215 » by **verbal8** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 11:40 am

The crazy thing about Nick Young this year is that he has been the most consistent player for the Wizards. And he started playing consistently before he was starting.

DaRealHibachi · Post #216 » by **DaRealHibachi** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 12:04 pm

Appreciated again... Even if we lose, it's never really on him...

Dude is crazy efficient... Last night he was 9-16, 2-3 from downtown...

VictorPage44 · Post #217 » by **VictorPage44** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 12:38 pm

Nick needs to be used at SHOOTING Guard, not small forward. Flip Saunders needs to just pull Hinric at the ends of games because that lineup with wall, hinrich, ny in at the end is way too small. Nick gets abused in the post by opposing 3's, it just doesnt work. He needs to be guarding 2 guards. We have 4-5 playable 3's on the roster but Flip doesnt use any of them for some reason at the end of the game. 3 guards and blatche playing at the 3 pt line isnt ever going to be a winning formula.

Anyway, this is the N1 thread, so I'll add that after not being sure if Nick Young would ever get it, this season he has become my favorite player on the team and he's been an absolute beast. No question he could start for more than half the teams in the league. It finally clicked for Nick and he's just going to continue to get better. He's a great one-on-one player/spot up shooter, and as has been mentioned he might also be the best perimeter man defender on the team -- no seriously.

tontoz · Post #218 » by **tontoz** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 2:37 pm

^ Agreed. The three guard lineup really needs to go away.

dlts20 · Post #219 » by **dlts20** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 2:46 pm

Nope. Hinrich is going to finish darn near every single game. Flip & Ernie love him way too much. You know Wall will also. That means its up to NY on how he's playing that night wether he's at the 3 or on the bench. Welcome to your consistently 4th quarter collapsing Wiz team.

hands11 · Post #220 » by **hands11** » Thu Jan 6, 2011 3:24 pm

dlts20 wrote:Nope. Hinrich is going to finish darn near every single game. Flip & Ernie love him way too much. You know Wall will also. That means its up to NY on how he's playing that night wether he's at the 3 or on the bench. Welcome to your consistently 4th quarter collapsing Wiz team.

Agreed. Nick needs to get 38 minutes at SG.

They need to figure out this Kirk and Wall thing. They are PGs. Figure out who you want in there and how badly they want to win or tank.

Separately, they need to decide how much power they want in the post and play the players who have power.

Lewis can clearly play 38 minutes at SF so that shouldn't be the issue. These are the two most complete players. Lock them down at their positions and move the parts around that.