RIP TO NJ (REAL RUMOR!!!!)

[Spider156]

I would give up a lottery protected first round. The Draft is garbage to start with anyways. Do we get much better with the trade? No, not really. BUT it would give us 20 mill in expirings and we could sign something nice. I think they just set the price high and will go down from it. Who knows, maybe Denver would want an expiring and would trade Prince for Nene. Could happen...

[Todd3]

If someone propsed this as a hypothetical trade, they would get banned from the forum:

NJ Gets: Carmelo Anthony, Rip Hamilton, and Chauncey Billups

DEN Gets: Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, NJ's lottery pick, and DET's lottery pick.

DET Gets: Johan Petro on a $7 mil/yr contract dumped on them for 2 more years.

The good news is that they are in talks. Likely, that was just the Nets opening proposal. Like, if I was negotiating a sale of a used car and I wanted to get $5k for it, I would ask for 6 first, then come down to 5. Maybe I get lucky and you buy it for 6, but if started at 5, I would likely have to come down below that after your counter-offer.

So maybe the Nets will now counter with their real proposal, as that first one was just crazy.

DEN apparantly isnt interested in Harris since they have Lawson. I WOULD consider trading our 1st round pick WITH Rip, if we got Devin Harris back.

Instead of using our draft pick on an unproven rookie PG, we get an All-Star PG in his prime on a reasonable contract, AND move Rip.

Then we could start Harris at PG, move Stuckey to SG with Gordon off the bench, and rotate the 3, each getting 32 min/gm.

There is also the option of just swapping Rip for Murphy's expiring deal. So I think there are many possibilities here, hopfeully they'll explore more of them.

[Todd3]

^EDIT: I just read Petro is making $3.5 mil/yr for 2 yrs, meaning 7 total, not 7 per year. That makes it feasible, IF we didnt give up our #1 pick, because it would net us about $9 mil in cap space, and relieve the logjam at SG. I would do that deal if the pick wasnt involved.

[Spider156]

The sides are going "back and forth at it."

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6000845

[Kirsten19]

People here are ALL looking for rip-offs.

N they seem to forget about Troy Murphy has a 13mil expiring contract, together with Prince's 12.5mil expiring, we can definitely acquire some great FA. We may have to overpay, but we can afford that, n thats what we always have to because of Detroit's location.

2011 has a great FA pool, but the weakest draft in years.

RIP Hamiltion is 32, washed-up, n pretty much a very average SG in the league nowadays. His contract is like 12.5mil in the next 2.5 years. N he is only getting worse n worse

To get rid of such a 32 year old on steep decline n one of the top 20 bad contracts in the league, i understand why the Nets want our 1st round pick

But this is a pretty bad draft n other than Irving(projected first overall), dun dont think ANYONE can provide immidiate help. Perry Jones(small/sleight frame), Sullinger(another undersized big), Kanter (knee problems), Terence Jones(stuck at 3 n 4), kinda like Jerebko) n Kemba Walker(shoot-first pg) do not look very exciting to me even as a piston fan


On the other hand, this is a big year for FA bigs. We need a post presence, Big Ben is aging n not half as amazing as he was. Still serviceable of coz, but we needa find him a successor. Monroe is okay, but we still need more depth consider Maxiell, Daye, CV n Jerebko(perimeter defender) are pretty bad post defenders
Nene, Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, Perkins, Oden n Z-Bo are all FAs this year. They may not prefer to come to Detroit but with Prince n Troy Murphy's big money expiring, i think we can afford to overpay.

[Joe Berry]

no to Petro, he signed a Bynum like deal, and he is just as useless...now you see how hard its to move RIP...if they take out Petro i would trade a protected pick to get rid of RIP

but something doesn't work out... Chauncey and Melo make 30 mil combined, Harris & Favors only 13 mil, this doesn't work one bit on the Nets-Nuggets rumor part

[princeofpalace]

Good to see Joe D balk at pick trading.

I hope Rip for Murphy/Petro goes throw- no pick.

Also, CB/Rip/Melo on the same team that is ironic to me. Pistons could have drafted Melo and Denver inquired about Rip in the summer. It would be funny to see NJ get that trio instead.

[coolness]

People here are ALL looking for rip-offs.

N they seem to forget about Troy Murphy has a 13mil expiring contract, together with Prince's 12.5mil expiring, we can definitely acquire some great FA. We may have to overpay, but we can afford that, n thats what we always have to because of Detroit's location.

2011 has a great FA pool, but the weakest draft in years.

RIP Hamiltion is 32, washed-up, n pretty much a very average SG in the league nowadays. His contract is like 12.5mil in the next 2.5 years. N he is only getting worse n worse

To get rid of such a 32 year old on steep decline n one of the top 20 bad contracts in the league, i understand why the Nets want our 1st round pick

But this is a pretty bad draft n other than Irving(projected first overall), dun dont think ANYONE can provide immidiate help. Perry Jones(small/sleight frame), Sullinger(another undersized big), Kanter (knee problems), Terence Jones(stuck at 3 n 4), kinda like Jerebko) n Kemba Walker(shoot-first pg) do not look very exciting to me even as a piston fan


On the other hand, this is a big year for FA bigs. We need a post presence, Big Ben is aging n not half as amazing as he was. Still serviceable of coz, but we needa find him a successor. Monroe is okay, but we still need more depth consider Maxiell, Daye, CV n Jerebko(perimeter defender) are pretty bad post defenders
Nene, Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, Perkins, Oden n Z-Bo are all FAs this year. They may not prefer to come to Detroit but with Prince n Troy Murphy's big money expiring, i think we can afford to overpay.

I like your points, but giving a 1st still seems dumb to me. For reference, Tay expires at 11.1 million and I doubt those bigs wanna come here. Z-Bo shouldn't be welcome with CV and J-Max making a combined hefty sum as back-ups.

[ElectricMayhem]

I would give up a lottery (A)protected first round. (B)The Draft is garbage to start with anyways.

If you're simply talking about the upcoming draft, then A renders B moot.

[ElectricMayhem]

People here are ALL looking for rip-offs.

I beg to differ. People here are simply looking to not be ripped off. We are not so desperate to unload Hamilton that we would take on Petro AND lose our first round draft pick. I don't care if it's a weak draft class, the asking price is too high and the Pistons are right to turn it down. The Pistons are the facilitators for the trade that the Nuggets and Nets both want to happen. They should be the ones earning the incentive. If the Nets want Melo, they'll have to approach Detroit with an actual reason to make a deal.

[princeofpalace]

2011 has a great FA pool, but the weakest draft in years.


Nene, Marc Gasol, Tyson Chandler, Perkins, Oden n Z-Bo are all FAs this year. They may not prefer to come to Detroit but with Prince n Troy Murphy's big money expiring, i think we can afford to overpay.

2011 is actually a weak FA pool

Nene is not a free agent.

Perkins and Oden are injured and giving them big bucks would be disastrous.

So that pretty much leaves Zach Randolph, Chander and Gasol..... Marc Gasol is a RFA and Memphis is likely to match. Chandler loves Dallas, Dallas loves Chandler and Cuban isn't scared to spend money. Overpaying for Zach Randolph does nothing to improve the team.

The draft actually gives Detroit better options at succeeding. People need to stop being so damned impatient, there is no quick fix for this team. They are in a rebuild, it will take years and several shrewd moves and/or a lucky draft to fix that

[Choob]

If this trade goes through, I'd try to move Tay/CV/Bynum for other expirings and a pick and then I would throw ZBo a 3 year contract averaging 10 mil... Dude's only going to be 30 and he solves our inside presence and rebounding problems. I personally have wanted Randolph for a while here and unlike PoP, he'd be exactly what we needed as long as CV isn't here at the same time...

Use the draft and grab either Kemba/Knight or the Joneses

Stuck/(draft pick)
Gordon/White
Daye/Summers
Randolph/JJ
Monroe/Ben

We'll suck defensively but we'll be better balanced and hopefully fun to watch

[BadMofoPimp]

I don't know, Rip could have a rejuvenation with a new team. I still think he is a better all around player than BG even at this stage of his career. I would do this trade if the 1st rounder was lottery protected or top 10 protected.

Personally, I would like Joe to trade both Rip and BG. Get another big for BG. Then, move Stuck to SG and start McGrady. This team could still make the playoffs then.

[klemen4]

I tried to do a trade on this NJN-DEN-DET rumor and it is so hard to do anything without at least around 10+ players involved.

This is the trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2etwew4

Why so many players involved:

1) With Billups and Melo there are 30,2 mil going out so around 22+ mil must come in. Harris+Favors contract are only 13 mil so where to get additonal 9 mil?
- Vujacic is not possible because he can not be traded with a player
- Im sure Denver does not want Outlaw
- With Harris going to den and Lawson there also Farmar contract is not possible
- Morow 4 mil contract is the only one left
- From Det side only Wilcox 3 mil fits the bill, because Im sure DEN would not want Maxiel or Vallanueva and Prince from DET side is a no go.
-Still 2 mil short Ross and Graham must be included for this to work.

Now this is 6 incoming players to DEN. There roster stands at 14 - carmelo,billups is 12. So 3 more den player must be involved. Here there is an option for DEN to include Carter,Ely and Williams in a trade or to cut all 3 to make room for trade to go through. I think this 3 are the only possibility because the only other low contract is Forbes who they like and doubt would they cut.

From NJN side 7 players going out (Harris,Favors,Murphy, Petro,Morrow,Ross,Graham) and 6 coming in.

From DET side is simple, they send Hamilton to NJN and probably Wilcox to DEN taking in Murphy and Petro.

All the picks included are mystery of course.

Yes there are 14 players involved and I do not se a lot of other option fro this trade to be possible. Maybe 2-3 different small contract player going the other way around but that is it.

NJN team post this trade would be:

billups/farmar/carter/uzoh
hamilton/vujacic
anthony/outlaw/james
humphries/williams
lopez/ely

[thesack12]

Update 4 from the OP's original link:

As Carmelo Anthony demands the New Jersey Nets surround him with veteran talent as a condition for him to commit to a contract extension, his agent has been the driving force behind bringing Detroit Pistons guard Richard Hamilton into multiteam trade talks, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Anthony’s agent, Leon Rose, also represents Hamilton, and sources said he pushed Nets general manager Billy King to bring the Pistons into trade talks with New Jersey and the Denver Nuggets.

The Pistons are determined to trade Hamilton and the $25 million left on his contract, but they refuse to part with the draft pick, sources said.

Most league executives are dubious that Anthony would believe Billups and Hamilton, ages 34 and 32, respectively, would be tantalizing. Nevertheless, Denver has shown little interest in negotiating a trade with New York, and it believes Anthony doesn’t want to risk free agency this offseason when a new labor agreement could cost him tens of millions of dollars in guaranteed money.

Melo wanting to play with Rip isn't surprising to me. Before the '03 draft, I remember Melo being in attendance at a Pistons game (dont remember where tho, maybe New York). But some reporter interviewed him, and Melo stated that he enjoyed watching Rip play and would like to team up with him. Of course at that point in time, the draft lottery has not occurred yet, so Melo nor anybody else knew Detroit would be drafting #2. So Melo was being sincere, not simply posturing for draft position.

In any event, if Melo's camp is the driving force for wanting Rip involved it definitely gives Dumars more leverage here. Not a stranglehold type leverage, but if Melo wants Rip, Dumars is in a much better position in these negotiations.

Also, I don't remember where I read it, But Terrico White, and/or 2nds is also being discusssed as the augmentive pieces attached to Rip.

[mercury]

People here are ALL looking for rip-offs.

I beg to differ. People here are simply looking to not be ripped off. We are not so desperate to unload Hamilton that we would take on Petro AND lose our first round draft pick. I don't care if it's a weak draft class, the asking price is too high and the Pistons are right to turn it down. The Pistons are the facilitators for the trade that the Nuggets and Nets both want to happen. They should be the ones earning the incentive. If the Nets want Melo, they'll have to approach Detroit with an actual reason to make a deal.

Exactly, Come draft day the value of that 1st will be significantly higher.

[zeebneeb]

The more I think about this, the more I want it done. Petro is another 7' wich we need in the worst possible way, his contract isnt that bad, and if everyone is completly honest with themselves, the draft is reportedly bad, and Joe sucks at lotto picks anyway.

Besides, it will give us something new to talk/complain about anyway.

If it does go down this way, how much cap room will we have next year in total?

[Southern Piston]

I really don't think Hamilton's play has diminished too much the last two years, it just a case of a not a true pg, and a redundant roster. Rip and Gordon have to light it up immediatly or they will be taken out for the other if there not hot there not going to be on the floor very long. Neither guard will put up consistent numbers in this scenario, both need 30 minutes a game to occasionaly work themselves into the game. If they both had this there trade value and stats would be better. We should not give up a first. I think Dallas will bite on Hamilton, and we could trade both of them and still be better becuase a SG that gives you 15-20pts for a loosing team isn't hard to find. But Hamilton does have the experience that certain teams want.
NJ wants this deal now so they can try to make a run for the playoffs in a week east, but really they and Denver are screwed the longer this goes on the the better the third and fourth teams value out f it will be. I hate to say it but Joe needs to sit on this till they sweeten the deal for him. If nothing better comes around the deadline, swing it but keep the first, or swap a first.

[hoopaddict08]

The 2011 draft might not be loaded with talent, but I will take a young cheap player over heading into free agency overpaying another veteran. Yes, there are some players in free agency that would be nice on this team. But most of the ones I would be interested are either restricted free agents, or are simply not coming here.

The draft has some prospects I wouldn't mind looking at, and we really don't know whether or not we will be in the top three, or right around where we were last summer.

Some of the guys in the draft I like:
Perry Jones
Kyrie Irving (if he goes into draft)
Enes Kanter
Trey Thompkins
Brandon Knight

[cochiseuofm]

New Jersey seems desperate right now, giving them a draft pick now that we clearly will have a high pick, regardless of the talent pool of the draft, would be stupid.

If the Nets believe they need to get Rip to convince Carmelo to stay, then we should have the bargaining power. If they offer us anything but a good deal to get involved, screw them. They can keep losing games just like we are.