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Offseason Priorities (other than QB)
I think QB is clearly going to be a high if not top priority in the minds of most if not all 49er fans, but for a sub .500 team it's clearly not the only thing.
So, what would you like to see happen at QB?
What other positions would you look to upgrade?
So, what would you like to see happen at QB?
What other positions would you look to upgrade?
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Clements 80 million dollar ass is useless. The good DOES NOT out-weight the bad with him.
The top of my list is Kolb, wouldn't mind Orton for the right price. I'm not too high on VY and I doubt Harbaugh is, but I wouldn't be angry if we signed him either.
I like Mallett and I'm skeptical of Newton's game translating to the NFL.
Clements 80 million dollar ass is useless. The good DOES NOT out-weight the bad with him.
The top of my list is Kolb, wouldn't mind Orton for the right price. I'm not too high on VY and I doubt Harbaugh is, but I wouldn't be angry if we signed him either.
I like Mallett and I'm skeptical of Newton's game translating to the NFL.
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sorry, but unless you are 100% sold that Newton or Mallet are the savior's of the broken, so to speak, address the bigger needs or draft down. If you can get Amukamara, take it to the bank. Maybe trade down 5 spots and get some value back (maybe a 4th or 5th rounder).
My guess for the top 7
1. Carolina (2-14): Lots of issues here. Awful def and really BPA, Bowers, Clemson or Peterson, LSU
2. Denver (4-12):D lineman no doubt Bowers, Clemson or Fairly, Aub
3. Buffalo (4-12):Need a QB, but then again they need everything too Peterson, LSU
4. Cincinnati (4-12):A lack of playmakers annihilated them, A.J.Green, Georgia
5. Arizona (5-11): QB #1 issues, Gabbart, Missouri
6. Cleveland (5-11): Need help up front and in the LB corps, Amukamara, Nebraska or Dareus, Alabama
7. San Fransisco (6-10): Help out the def or get a QB. Amukamara, Nebraska or Cam Newton, Auburn
My niners draft board:
1)Bowers
2)Fairly
3)Peterson
4)Gabbart
5)Amukamara
6)Newton
7)Dareus
8)Quinn
My guess for the top 7
1. Carolina (2-14): Lots of issues here. Awful def and really BPA, Bowers, Clemson or Peterson, LSU
2. Denver (4-12):D lineman no doubt Bowers, Clemson or Fairly, Aub
3. Buffalo (4-12):Need a QB, but then again they need everything too Peterson, LSU
4. Cincinnati (4-12):A lack of playmakers annihilated them, A.J.Green, Georgia
5. Arizona (5-11): QB #1 issues, Gabbart, Missouri
6. Cleveland (5-11): Need help up front and in the LB corps, Amukamara, Nebraska or Dareus, Alabama
7. San Fransisco (6-10): Help out the def or get a QB. Amukamara, Nebraska or Cam Newton, Auburn
My niners draft board:
1)Bowers
2)Fairly
3)Peterson
4)Gabbart
5)Amukamara
6)Newton
7)Dareus
8)Quinn
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Besides the clear coming QB changes I think one of the more overlooked ways the 49ers could improve significantly is by adding a big time pass rusher.
I don't know what the numbers are, but I'm inclined to believe that the team as a whole was pretty poor as far as sacks.
I don't know what the numbers are, but I'm inclined to believe that the team as a whole was pretty poor as far as sacks.
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Bac2Basics wrote:Besides the clear coming QB changes I think one of the more overlooked ways the 49ers could improve significantly is by adding a big time pass rusher.
I don't know what the numbers are, but I'm inclined to believe that the team as a whole was pretty poor as far as sacks.
I couldn't agree more. Our secondary is atrocious and needs upgrading and I think it overshadows our pass rushing. We are not good at that either. Quarterbacks have plenty of time and obviously with the secondary we have a receiver gets open eventually. Pass rushing will significantly improve our defense. With pass rushing which aspect do we worry about. In my opinion better playcalling and schemes could improve our pass rush but we also need a new d-line man opposite Justin Smith and possibly better pass rushing linebackers.
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We also need an improvement in O-Line. Injuries hurt us and that is unavoidable. Also we had two starters who were rookies so hopefully they improve. But we have no excuse for RG. Rachal is an awful right guard and needs to be replaced.
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Today the Raiders voided Nnamdi's contract. So he will be an unrestricted free agent this spring. Obvioulsy he will be a high priority for half the league, and maybe even the top free agent on the market. Regardless, Frisco needs to go after him hard. Im assuming Nnamdi is tired of the losing culture and wants to go to a winner. But maybe just maybe, they can play the don't have to move card just as they did with Harbaugh.
Either way the 2ndary absolutely has to be addressed this offseason. Nnamdi would be a fan-effin-tastic pickup for this team. If Frisco can't get him, they have to use an early pick on a corner.
Yes the pass rush needs an upgrade as well, but an improved 2ndary will help in that aspect as well. If the 2ndary can cover for just a shade longer, thats more time for the rushers to get to the Qube. Of course the same could be said vice versa, about a better pass rush helping the 2ndary as well.
And yeah the O-line still needs some work, but I don't want to invest any more high draft picks on lineman. Signing a decent free agent, or drafting a high floor/low ceiling prospect with a later pick will suffice.
As of this moment in time Ryan Mallet is my target for #7. I'm not sold on Gabbert in the slightest, and I belive Cam Newton is Vince Young 2.0 although with a better attitude, and I don't like Locker at all.
If Mallet is gone @ 7, I'd go with the top corner available.
Either way the 2ndary absolutely has to be addressed this offseason. Nnamdi would be a fan-effin-tastic pickup for this team. If Frisco can't get him, they have to use an early pick on a corner.
Yes the pass rush needs an upgrade as well, but an improved 2ndary will help in that aspect as well. If the 2ndary can cover for just a shade longer, thats more time for the rushers to get to the Qube. Of course the same could be said vice versa, about a better pass rush helping the 2ndary as well.
And yeah the O-line still needs some work, but I don't want to invest any more high draft picks on lineman. Signing a decent free agent, or drafting a high floor/low ceiling prospect with a later pick will suffice.
As of this moment in time Ryan Mallet is my target for #7. I'm not sold on Gabbert in the slightest, and I belive Cam Newton is Vince Young 2.0 although with a better attitude, and I don't like Locker at all.
If Mallet is gone @ 7, I'd go with the top corner available.
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Dalbi wrote:We also need an improvement in O-Line. Injuries hurt us and that is unavoidable. Also we had two starters who were rookies so hopefully they improve. But we have no excuse for RG. Rachal is an awful right guard and needs to be replaced.
I'm not as worried about the O-line. They just spent 2 1st round picks last year and another first a couple years ago with Staley
I'm good with the core of the line, a little more depth, but the core just needs to develop some
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I'm inclined to believe that the pass rusher may be more important than the upgrade in the secondary
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Bac2Basics wrote:I'm inclined to believe that the pass rusher may be more important than the upgrade in the secondary
It's kind of the chicken and the egg. Pass rushers help the secondary, and the secondary helps pass rushers. The question is....who is worse? I'd say our secondary.
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Dalbi wrote:We also need an improvement in O-Line. Injuries hurt us and that is unavoidable. Also we had two starters who were rookies so hopefully they improve. But we have no excuse for RG. Rachal is an awful right guard and needs to be replaced.
Baas would be playing right guard, which is an improvement to Rachal. Still could use upgrades but not a priority in my opinion.
I think the secondary is a bigger issue. We have a few linebackers who could be pass rushers. We need better play calling there.

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Other then QB, I would say our biggest holes are the defensive line and secondary. There are a pretty decent number of QBs that are available on the market (Kolb, maybe Orton, Vince Young, McNabb) so I wouldn't spend our first pick on one.
Amukamara or a big DE with our first pick, trade for a QB, maybe spend a 3rd/4th rounder on a QB gamble.
Amukamara or a big DE with our first pick, trade for a QB, maybe spend a 3rd/4th rounder on a QB gamble.
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The Niners definitely need a CB/SS type that can cover or pass rush. Maybe Prince Amukamara could be the next Nnamdi Asomugha or Darrelle Reveis. The Niners should try to trade Clements for a draft pick.The O line when healthy and motivated was decent but they could improve the O-Line. With Harbaugh, I think they will be more disciplined and more motivated to perform better.
If they go with QB with their first pick , I wouldn't mind drafting Jake Locker over Mallet because Locker was projected a top 5 QB before having a so-so season in his last year.
With Harbaugh as the HC, I think he'll make whatever QB we get better...Troy Smith deserves to be back to at least compete for the starting job. David Carr better get released.
With the all the talented receiving core of V.Davis, Crabtree and Morgan, Locker or Mallet or whoever wins the starting QB has enough weapons to throw to. The Niners need to imploy a duo running back of Westbrook and Gore.
Of the free agent QB's, I'll take Orton over McNabb but not sold on either QB. I'd gamble on Carson Palmer but would really like to see a new young QB.
If they go with QB with their first pick , I wouldn't mind drafting Jake Locker over Mallet because Locker was projected a top 5 QB before having a so-so season in his last year.
With Harbaugh as the HC, I think he'll make whatever QB we get better...Troy Smith deserves to be back to at least compete for the starting job. David Carr better get released.
With the all the talented receiving core of V.Davis, Crabtree and Morgan, Locker or Mallet or whoever wins the starting QB has enough weapons to throw to. The Niners need to imploy a duo running back of Westbrook and Gore.
Of the free agent QB's, I'll take Orton over McNabb but not sold on either QB. I'd gamble on Carson Palmer but would really like to see a new young QB.
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Secondary is the next hole in this team.
Everybody is talking about QB by draft ou FA but it´s intriguing to imagine Alex Smith coached by Harbaugh .
Everybody is talking about QB by draft ou FA but it´s intriguing to imagine Alex Smith coached by Harbaugh .
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In order i'd say our biggest needs are:
QB (obviously), CB, pass rush. But i think if there's a top pass rusher there in the 1st rd, you grab him over a CB.
A position that i'm starting to wonder about is RB. I'm worried about Gore holding up and Dixon looked solid, but I don't know that he's an every down back. I think we should look to bring in another young RB with one of our late picks... preferably a quick one that can catch the ball.
The vet QB i'd like most is Carson Palmer... i just don't know what i'd give up to get him. If we trade a 2nd for him, and pick a DLineman with our 1st... we'd really need 2ndary help with our 3rd rder and free agency. With the other picks, in no particular order, i'd go after a RB (as stated above), a project QB, more 2ndary help, more dline depth, and offensive line depth.
QB (obviously), CB, pass rush. But i think if there's a top pass rusher there in the 1st rd, you grab him over a CB.
A position that i'm starting to wonder about is RB. I'm worried about Gore holding up and Dixon looked solid, but I don't know that he's an every down back. I think we should look to bring in another young RB with one of our late picks... preferably a quick one that can catch the ball.
The vet QB i'd like most is Carson Palmer... i just don't know what i'd give up to get him. If we trade a 2nd for him, and pick a DLineman with our 1st... we'd really need 2ndary help with our 3rd rder and free agency. With the other picks, in no particular order, i'd go after a RB (as stated above), a project QB, more 2ndary help, more dline depth, and offensive line depth.
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azwfan wrote:In order i'd say our biggest needs are:
QB (obviously), CB, pass rush. But i think if there's a top pass rusher there in the 1st rd, you grab him over a CB.
A position that i'm starting to wonder about is RB. I'm worried about Gore holding up and Dixon looked solid, but I don't know that he's an every down back. I think we should look to bring in another young RB with one of our late picks... preferably a quick one that can catch the ball.
The vet QB i'd like most is Carson Palmer... i just don't know what i'd give up to get him. If we trade a 2nd for him, and pick a DLineman with our 1st... we'd really need 2ndary help with our 3rd rder and free agency. With the other picks, in no particular order, i'd go after a RB (as stated above), a project QB, more 2ndary help, more dline depth, and offensive line depth.
I'd rather have Kolb than Palmer, personally, but I'd be satisfied with either. And I think our biggest needs as far as the draft goes start with our defense. Mainly because I don't see any outstanding prospects for QB. Personally, I'd rather grab Prince Amukamara over the defensive linemen that I think will be available at our draft spot, but those 2 I think are pretty interchangeable.
I'm not worried about running backs at all. Dixon showed promise and Gore will be as good as ever especially with our 2 rookie OL coming into their second year, but maybe towards the later rounds if we can snag one? I just think we have other areas that need more attention.
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I would actually prefer palmer to kolb only because palmer is proven. I also think the asking price for palmer will be lower than kolb. I wouldn't give up a 2nd for either unles we could give up next years 2nd.
RB isn't a big issue a the moment so I don't think they should focus on it. If there is free agency then there are a lot of good CB available. Depending on how the draft works we may need to throw some serious cash out to pick some of them up. I don't really know who is available in free agency that is a pass rusher.
RB isn't a big issue a the moment so I don't think they should focus on it. If there is free agency then there are a lot of good CB available. Depending on how the draft works we may need to throw some serious cash out to pick some of them up. I don't really know who is available in free agency that is a pass rusher.

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Zyme wrote:sorry, but unless you are 100% sold that Newton or Mallet are the savior's of the broken, so to speak, address the bigger needs or draft down. If you can get Amukamara, take it to the bank. Maybe trade down 5 spots and get some value back (maybe a 4th or 5th rounder).
My guess for the top 7
1. Carolina (2-14): Lots of issues here. Awful def and really BPA, Bowers, Clemson or Peterson, LSU
2. Denver (4-12):D lineman no doubt Bowers, Clemson or Fairly, Aub
3. Buffalo (4-12):Need a QB, but then again they need everything too Peterson, LSU
4. Cincinnati (4-12):A lack of playmakers annihilated them, A.J.Green, Georgia
5. Arizona (5-11): QB #1 issues, Gabbart, Missouri
6. Cleveland (5-11): Need help up front and in the LB corps, Amukamara, Nebraska or Dareus, Alabama
7. San Fransisco (6-10): Help out the def or get a QB. Amukamara, Nebraska or Cam Newton, Auburn
My niners draft board:
1)Bowers
2)Fairly
3)Peterson
4)Gabbart
5)Amukamara
6)Newton
7)Dareus
8)Quinn
I don't get the Gabbert hype. I don't want anything to do with him unless he falls hard. I don't really want any QB with our first round pick to be totally honest - I just don't see any of them being worth a top-10 pick. We really need to lock up someone to help our pass rush or secondary.
My big board would be something like this:
1. Nick Fairley (DT/DE Auburn)
2. Da'Quan Bowers (DE Clemson)
3. Patrick Peterson (CB Louisiana State)
4. A.J. Green (WR Georgia)
5. Prince Amukamara (CB Nebraska)
6. Marcell Dareus (DT/DE Alabama)
7. Robert Quinn (DE/OLB North Carolina)
One of Gabbert/Mallett/Locker will probably fall to the late 1st/early 2nd and we can make a move on one of them there, or trade our 2nd for a vet QB.
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I think I like Miller and Quinn ahead of Dareus and Amukamara. Obviously both are big combine guys, so we'll see.
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I'd prefer Palmer over Kolb, but if those are the best available choices, we're screwed either way.
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