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Post#1201 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:15 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:I'm starting to have less and less faith in this deal. As I said before, I figured this was Rose's shenanigans and it doesn't seem as though Melo is buying into it. He's smarter then I was giving him credit for. He doesn't want to play with two old farts and a currently wack Lopez, he wants to play with Amar'e and Felton or he wants to come here as a package deal with CP3 and a guy like Aldridge, Love or David West, etc.

This deal is never going to happen as is tomorrow or the next day.

If it happens at all, it's going to be in a few weeks and it's going to involve bigger fish then Rip "Freakin' Hot Trash" Hamilton.

The funniest part is Joe D and especially Ujiri for some asinine reason assume they're in the driver's seat.

Amazing.

The drama continues...

Unfortunately, they just might be in the driver seat with King getting whipped in the back of the truck.

The one problem that I had with Melo's response last night was that he just seemed to know all of the stuff that's going on. Of course, he does but he shouldn't act like he does. It won't look good for his image or the NBA if he's trying to script everything himself. And since he does kinda wield some power with getting his extension, he really should act as if Denver is moving him rather than him forcing Denver to re-locate him.
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Post#1202 » by enetric » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:27 pm

RUnning out...dont have time to scroll through the last two days....but has anyone gotten a handle on what picks we end up giving up? Sounds like we got it down to two picks...which is great. But...did they identify them? Did we get protection on our 2011 for example if that one is in?

My quikc thoughts. I HATE the veteran contracts we eat. But...once we add Melo making too much money and we take ourselves out of the good part of the next few drafts....add in all the youth and picks we gave up through this season when this is all said and done....and

having large expiring contracts to deal two years in a row with the richest owner in the game isnt a terrible thing to have. Honestly...it will be our best trade chip year by year and there is no way this team can compete at a high level right away based on what we get.

So? Ia m OK with the contracts. My thing is...do we hold onto enough picks....to add to the contracts so that we can grab the NEXT digruntled star in that way the Nix cant seem to do because they only have the fat expiring in Curry but no picks to go with it.

If we have the picks...we can get the one extra star trade the next....Paul of course being the ideal guy....and then from there...another big deal a year later. Then we can go way over the cap with the insane payroll...ready to compete with a stocked team.

That would at least be a PLAN. But if we go all in for Melo...and then we are stuck the next two years....this trade will suck.

Sorry if anyone answered the pick question...as I said...running out....
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Post#1203 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:32 pm

enetric wrote:RUnning out...dont have time to scroll through the last two days....but has anyone gotten a handle on what picks we end up giving up? Sounds like we got it down to two picks...which is great. But...did they identify them? Did we get protection on our 2011 for example if that one is in?

My quikc thoughts. I HATE the veteran contracts we eat. But...once we add Melo making too much money and we take ourselves out of the good part of the next few drafts....add in all the youth and picks we gave up through this season when this is all said and done....and

having large expiring contracts to deal two years in a row with the richest owner in the game isnt a terrible thing to have. Honestly...it will be our best trade chip year by year and there is no way this team can compete at a high level right away based on what we get.

So? Ia m OK with the contracts. My thing is...do we hold onto enough picks....to add to the contracts so that we can grab the NEXT digruntled star in that way the Nix cant seem to do because they only have the fat expiring in Curry but no picks to go with it.

If we have the picks...we can get the one extra star trade the next....Paul of course being the ideal guy....and then from there...another big deal a year later. Then we can go way over the cap with the insane payroll...ready to compete with a stocked team.

That would at least be a PLAN. But if we go all in for Melo...and then we are stuck the next two years....this trade will suck.

Sorry if anyone answered the pick question...as I said...running out....

There aren't two consecutive years of expirings, Rip's contract is 3 years long, with a $9 million dollar buyout out of a $12.5 million contract...

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Post#1204 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:33 pm

enetric wrote:RUnning out...dont have time to scroll through the last two days....but has anyone gotten a handle on what picks we end up giving up? Sounds like we got it down to two picks...which is great. But...did they identify them? Did we get protection on our 2011 for example if that one is in?

My quikc thoughts. I HATE the veteran contracts we eat. But...once we add Melo making too much money and we take ourselves out of the good part of the next few drafts....add in all the youth and picks we gave up through this season when this is all said and done....and

having large expiring contracts to deal two years in a row with the richest owner in the game isnt a terrible thing to have. Honestly...it will be our best trade chip year by year and there is no way this team can compete at a high level right away based on what we get.

So? Ia m OK with the contracts. My thing is...do we hold onto enough picks....to add to the contracts so that we can grab the NEXT digruntled star in that way the Nix cant seem to do because they only have the fat expiring in Curry but no picks to go with it.

If we have the picks...we can get the one extra star trade the next....Paul of course being the ideal guy....and then from there...another big deal a year later. Then we can go way over the cap with the insane payroll...ready to compete with a stocked team.

That would at least be a PLAN. But if we go all in for Melo...and then we are stuck the next two years....this trade will suck.

Sorry if anyone answered the pick question...as I said...running out....

E, we're hearing that we're not giving up our pick nor GSW pick but with King, we can never be sure until the deal is actually finalized. Apparently, we tried to squeeze a 1st rounder out of Detroit but they didn't take us seriously with that.
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Post#1205 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:33 pm

Also, there have been rumors from the 2 picks being our 2011(with no mention of the protection) and the GSW 2012 1st, to it being one of the Lakers or Rockets in combo with our 2012 pick.

I fear the worst...
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Post#1206 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:55 pm

Carmelo Anthony hears boos as Nuggets skid to third straight loss
Hornets 96, Nuggets 87
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Carmelo Anthony strolled into the Pepsi Center about an hour and 15 minutes before the game that could turn out to be his last — or very close to his last — in a Nuggets uniform.

And there seemed to be a component of "senioritis" to his game on a snowy Sunday night against New Orleans.

On the bench, he was carefree. He bobbed his head to the music over the loudspeakers, and frolicked through a first half that was generally bad for his team. And on the court, the man who makes his living putting up shots and scoring in bunches took just two shots in the first half.

The Nuggets lost this game 96-87 in front of 16,283 fans. But more than a game, for the first time it appeared the Nuggets lost the interest of their star as well.

And when that became the perception, many in the crowd turned on the player, who they felt was thumbing his nose at them. Anthony was booed loudly in the fourth quarter when he entered the game on a substitution.

"You hear it," Anthony said. "Does it affect me? Not at all. It hurt a little bit knowing that it's coming from my home- team fans, but other than that, I try to go out and play hard every night. If they like it, they like it. If they want to boo, they want to boo."

Anthony finished with eight points in 34 minutes. How rare was this? The last time Anthony played at least 30 minutes and finished with fewer than 10 points was Feb. 2, 2005 — his second year in the NBA — when he tallied just seven points on 3-of-14 shooting against Portland.

Nuggets coach George Karl dismissed it as a product of Anthony trying to pass the ball more and make the correct basketball play, something he felt his star did well.

"He was in a passing mode," Karl said. "I've always felt he could get 10 assists anytime he wanted to. They were giving him a lot of tilt and a lot of double team. So, he was doing what the game was telling him to do."

Anthony, who took just 11 shots total and had four assists, said he should have been more aggressive with the ball.

"I take responsibility for this loss," Anthony said. "I was a little bit too unselfish because we talked about passing the ball more, and I was a little bit too selfish by not being as aggressive as I was on the offensive end. For me to take 11 shots, that's out of the norm for me."

Still, the effort infuriated fans who were looking for more. Karl admitted he was surprised by the boos.

Chauncey Billups insisted he didn't hear the fans voice their displeasure at Anthony, but acknowledged there "really wasn't that much positive in this game. It was just a bad game. We are not playing very well right now."

The loss was the third straight for a Nuggets team that has fallen apart lately. They played the game without Kenyon Martin, Chris Ander-sen and Ty Lawson, who were out resting and rehabbing knee ailments.

Al Harrington led the Nuggets with 20 points on what will certainly be remembered as one of the more bizarre nights at the arena.

"The team fought really hard," Karl said. "Didn't have a lot of confidence in the game, missed a lot of easy shots, but we still fought hard."

Like I said, he looked like he was completely out of the game. I don't care what Karl and Melo say. Just because they ask you to pass the ball doesn't mean you slouch on defense and jog up the court. The fans knew something was up and you could clearly see it when watching the game.
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Post#1207 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:07 pm

Ok, I know it's Chris Broussard but what he was saying today seems right. The deal was good to go last night but Denver wanted to add Harrington to the deal, which obviously changed things. It looks like they're working on that now but like I asked last night, if they want to add Harrington, they need to take Outlaw. However, I have a feeling that they want to take away Billups from the deal and put Harrington in his place. If that's the case, I say we keep Harris and still send Outlaw to them.
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Post#1208 » by Shark » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:14 pm

Wasn't it also mentioned that there may be a need for yet another team to join in order to have Harrington as a part of the deal?
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Post#1209 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:22 pm

I don't want to keep Harris. Billups is much better and his contract suits what we're trying to accomplish in the long term infinitely better.

Harris is better for a team like Portland who cares less about cap and expirings to make moves, because he would be the move. Or a team like Dallas who would love him as their 30mpg 6xth man.
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Post#1210 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:27 pm

Shark wrote:Wasn't it also mentioned that there may be a need for yet another team to join in order to have Harrington as a part of the deal?

Yes, that's right. I'll post the article...
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Post#1211 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:30 pm

Sources: Nets, Nuggets 'further along'
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Nets Closing In On Carmelo

A busy weekend of roller-coaster activity on the Carmelo Anthony trade front has ushered the New Jersey Nets to the brink of a deal for the superstar forward for the second time, according to sources close to the negotiations.

Thanks to the recruitment of the Detroit Pistons as a third-party facilitator, New Jersey's longstanding attempts to pry Anthony away from Denver are "further along" than any trade scenario that has been discussed since the Nets' near acquisition of the All-Star in late September, sources close to the negotiations said Sunday.

Multiple sources with knowledge of the talks expressed optimism Sunday that a three-team deal involving the Pistons featuring at least 15 players -- with Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups winding up in New Jersey with Anthony -- could be completed in the next day or two.

Denver, however, elected to play Anthony and Billups in its home game against New Orleans on Sunday night, suggesting that the Nuggets might not be ready to sign off on the trade and, according to sources, frustrating both the Nets and the Pistons at the end of a chaotic 72 hours.

A similar scenario played out in the September deal, when the Nets and Nuggets hammered out the framework of a four-team swap with Charlotte and Utah, only for the Nuggets to decide that they weren't ready to end their relationship with Anthony and back out of the deal.

After totaling just eight points on 3-for-11 shooting and looking lethargic throughout the Nuggets' 96-87 loss -- during which he was booed by Denver fans in the second half -- Anthony dismissed the idea of a looming deal with New Jersey as "speculation as of right now" and told reporters that he doesn't think he's played his last game for the Nuggets.

"Not at all," Anthony said at his locker when asked if he thought that the New Orleans game was his Nuggets farewell. "Not at all. Not at all. Not at all."

Sources told ESPN.com on Monday morning that one of the newer obstacles in trade talks is Denver's determination to send Al Harrington to New Jersey as part of the three-team deal.

The Nets, sources said, are reluctant to absorb the four years and $28 million remaining on Harrington's contract, which means that a fourth team willing to trade for Harrington will be needed unless the Nuggets, who are trying to reduce their luxury-tax bill, abandon the idea of trying to include Harrington.

As of late Sunday night, sources said, New Jersey believed it was poised to receive Anthony, Billups and Hamilton, with Denver landing two future first-round picks and six players. The Nuggets' haul would feature Nets rookie Derrick Favors, former All-Star guard Devin Harris and Nets sharpshooter Anthony Morrow. In addition, the Nuggets would bring in the New Jersey threesome of Quinton Ross, Ben Uzoh and Stephen Graham included for salary-cap purposes.

Detroit, meanwhile, was to receive Nets big man Johan Petro and the expiring contract of Nets forward Troy Murphy, with the Pistons motivated to join in by the $17-plus million in long-term savings they'd earn by shedding Hamilton's contract.

But Denver's decision to play Anthony and Billups against New Orleans and a Bergen Record report Sunday night that the Nuggets want to make changes to the latest trade layout clearly rankled the Nets.

The Record of New Jersey quoted an unnamed team official within the league as saying: "The deal is close. But Denver is looking to hit a home run."

Earlier Sunday, one source close to the talks told ESPN.com that Sunday's proposed trade was "on the 10-yard-line." Said another source with knowledge of the state of negotiations: "Almost there."

One spark to the suddenly fast-moving nature of weekend negotiations, sources said, is the fact that Detroit is no longer being asked to surrender a first-round pick for the right to trade away the two years and $25 million left on Hamilton's contract. Another key was Denver's lopsided loss Thursday night in Sacramento on TNT. Sources said the embarrassing defeat finally began to convince Nuggets management that the drama surrounding what is widely regarded as the inevitable trade of Anthony had crushed the team's resolve.

When the talks involving Detroit as a potential third-team facilitator were first reported Friday night by the Record, sources told ESPN.com that the Pistons were balking largely because they were being asked to surrender a first-rounder.

Yet at least one potential snag remained from the Pistons' side as well: Detroit's ongoing reluctance to take back Petro. Even though shedding Hamilton's contract in exchange for Murphy and Petro would represent an overall savings of roughly $17 million, sources say New Jersey spent much of the day trying to find a fourth team willing to absorb the $6.75 million owed to Petro over the next two seasons.

Sources said Monday that Detroit is likely to receive a future draft pick to convince the Pistons to take on Petro, although it has not yet been determined whether it will be a first- or second-round pick.

The biggest potential holdup, of course, is Anthony's ability to scuttle the whole deal by refusing to sign a three-year, $65 million extension as part of the transaction in what is known as an extend-and-trade. The Boston Celtics got the same extend-and-trade commitment from Kevin Garnett when they acquired him from Minnesota in July 2007.

But it appeared, after Sunday's many twists and turns played out, that New Jersey regards the Nuggets' indecision and the Petro matter as greater threats to the trade than the Anthony extension.

Sources said that the Nets are convinced Anthony will agree to the extension if they eventually manage to reach a full trade agreement with the Nuggets, despite the belief that Anthony wants to draw this process out for the entire season if possible to increase the free agent-to-be's chances of winding up with the New York Knicks. Anthony could end up a Knick either via trade or by trying to convince the Nuggets to keep him for the entire season and then heading to New York in free agency.

Nets officials have remained quietly confident for months, and received further assurances Sunday, a source told ESPN.com's Chris Sheridan, that Anthony ultimately would agree to the extension -- no matter how much he'd prefer to play with the Knicks -- to ensure that he locks in his contract before labor negotiations this summer that are expected to establish a much more restrictive financial landscape in the league.

ESPN.com reported last month that the Nets have already been granted permission to meet with Anthony face-to-face if a trade agreement is eventually struck with Denver. That would allow Nets billionaire owner Mikhail Prokhorov and part-owner Jay-Z to lead a contingent that would try to lobby the Brooklyn-born Anthony directly on the team's future in Brooklyn, with the Nets planning to move there in time for the 2012-13 season.

But one source close to the situation insisted Sunday that the Nets believe a face-to-face meeting with Prokhorov might not even be necessary to get Anthony's signoff if New Jersey can indeed acquire Billups and Hamilton. Sources said that the two former Detroit teammates would ease some of Anthony's concerns about joining a team that, despite the presence of promising big man Brook Lopez alongside Harris (for now), is 10-27.

The Nets, furthermore, contend that the fact that both Anthony and Hamilton are represented by veteran agent Leon Rose -- and the fact that Rose has been pushing for Hamilton's inclusion in the trade -- is essentially confirmation that Anthony intends to sign the extension. Sources said the Nets are likewise unconcerned by Denver native Billups' reported determination to ask for an immediate buyout if he is traded away by his hometown team.

The Nets long ago committed to send Favors, Harris and at least two first-round picks to the Nuggets in exchange for Anthony. But they have been looking for third- or fourth-team facilitators for months after the collapse of their original deal in September, holding extensive talks with Cleveland, Minnesota and Portland before turning to Detroit.

The Knicks have always been Anthony's strongly preferred destination, sources say, but Denver has shown little interest in the Knicks' assets (such as Wilson Chandler, Landry Fields and Danilo Gallinari) and have been negotiating almost exclusively with the Nets for weeks.

With Favors and a cache of first-round picks it can move, New Jersey has a far more attractive war chest of trade assets. The Nets have also made it clear that they would not abandon their pursuit of Anthony until they're told directly by the All-Star forward that he would not sign an extension with them, which is the message some sources close to the process still believe New Jersey will get, as reported in December by ESPN.com.

The Nets and Nuggets, meanwhile, have not stopped looking for other teams beyond Detroit that would be interested in joining the trade. This is a result of Denver lacking a strong need for Harris with young guard Ty Lawson on the roster. New Jersey and Denver have likewise continued to discuss trade possibilities with the Nuggets that don't involve any other teams since the collapse of the original deal with Utah and Charlotte, which called for the Bobcats to acquire Harris and Jazz veteran Andrei Kirilenko to land in Denver.
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Post#1212 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:40 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:I don't want to keep Harris. Billups is much better and his contract suits what we're trying to accomplish in the long term infinitely better.

Harris is better for a team like Portland who cares less about cap and expirings to make moves, because he would be the move. Or a team like Dallas who would love him as their 30mpg 6xth man.

Haha..VC4P you are one funny dude. You always say stuff that ends up being in article or that someone else has said without you knowing that they said it. I have an article for you as well.
Could Devin Harris land back in Dallas?
January, 10, 2011

By Marc Stein
If Devin Harris winds up in Denver as part of New Jersey’s long-running attempts to complete a blockbuster deal for Carmelo Anthony, don’t completely dismiss the idea that Harris could land back in Dallas with the team that drafted him in 2003.

Don’t dismiss it because the Mavericks themselves haven’t ruled it out.

Harris is by no means seen as an ideal trade target by Mavs officials, since they were the ones who initiated the deal with New Jersey in February 2008 for Jason Kidd and given the fact that Dallas needs wing scoring and long-ball threats in the wake of Caron Butler’s season-ending knee injury far more than they need another point guard.

However ...

Sources with knowledge of the team’s thinking confirmed to ESPNDallas.com that the prospect of making a trade pitch to bring back Harris has been discussed internally and will inevitably be broached with the Nuggets if the 2009 All-Star ends up in Denver.

Reason being: Dallas is well aware that the Nuggets have little need for Harris thanks to the presence of the promising Ty Lawson and are looking to reduce their luxury-tax bill. Also: Harris can create his own shot and thus could provide one key offensive element Dallas has lacked since he left ... although there would be obvious questions about how well he could function alongside Kidd.

So desperate for Kidd’s playmaking, leadership and veteran know-how, Dallas packaged two future first-round picks and $3 million in cash with Harris -- plus the contracts of Trenton Hassell, DeSegana Diop, Maurice Ager and the rights to Keith Van Horn all for salary-cap purposes -- to get him back. But the way Kidd has evolved, at 37, as a floor leader who also doubles as an effective weak-side shooter that can likewise defend small forwards would suggest that teaming him with Harris is hardly far-fetched. How often do we see Kidd paired with Jason Terry and J.J. Barea in a three-man backcourt?

One team source, to repeat, made it clear that Harris is not their primary target to fill the Butler void. Nor have there been any strong signals to date to suggest that the Mavs have the time or ability to join the New Jersey/Denver/Detroit trade talks as a fourth team that helps facilitate the trade by taking on Harris.

The reality, furthermore, is that there would undoubtedly be considerable competition out there for Harris if the Melo trade finally goes through and the Nuggets make him available, with the Portland Trail Blazers (just to name one team) known to be long-time Harris admirers and knowing how desperate teams generally are for proven point guards.

But Harris is still relatively young (28 in February) and thus ranks as a quality young(ish) player whom the Mavs already know a lot about. Which explains why they’ll privately confess that, on some level, they do like the idea of a reunion.

And the Nuggets, should the Melo deal ultimately go through at last, would be eligible to move Harris again before the Feb. 24 trading deadline as long as they don’t package him with any other Nuggets.
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Post#1213 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:50 pm

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Post#1214 » by Jersey Generals » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:56 pm

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4dgpkhy

That should be the deal, with the crappy Lakers' pick going to Denver as well.
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Post#1215 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:56 pm

Chris Broussard: Billups won't hold up deal, but sources just told me he will either want a buyout after season or a long-term commitment (extension) from NJ- Twitter

He'll get a long-term extension...in New Orleans :)
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Post#1216 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:15 pm

You know if this deal goes through, I'm pretty sure Billups would be pissed at Melo for making him leave his hometown of Denver.
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Post#1217 » by srt4b » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:20 pm

Hey guys, Detroit fan here.

I think you will be surprised how well RIP will play as featured SG. The dude was scoring 19 a game like 10 months ago injured. He has looked real good this year in about 7-10 games, the rest of the time he just hasn't played hard because a. our coach is bottom 3 in the NBA and b. he has no role on our team. Pair him with his Billups (man crush) and you have the backcourt that won a title, 4-5 allstar games, all the ECF games, etc. He hasn't lost a step at all IMO he has just been in a horrible situation and has been totally misused.
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Post#1218 » by srt4b » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:21 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:You know if this deal goes through, I'm pretty sure Billups would be pissed at Melo for making him leave his hometown of Denver.


Billups is as mellow as they come. He has been traded what 8 times? He knows it's a business. Theu don't call him "smooth" for no reason!
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Post#1219 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:23 pm

srt4b wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:You know if this deal goes through, I'm pretty sure Billups would be pissed at Melo for making him leave his hometown of Denver.


Billups is as mellow as they come. He has been traded what 8 times? He knows it's a business. Theu don't call him "smooth" for no reason!

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Post#1220 » by NyCeEvO » Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:25 pm

srt4b wrote:Hey guys, Detroit fan here.

I think you will be surprised how well RIP will play as featured SG. The dude was scoring 19 a game like 10 months ago injured. He has looked real good this year in about 7-10 games, the rest of the time he just hasn't played hard because a. our coach is bottom 3 in the NBA and b. he has no role on our team. Pair him with his Billups (man crush) and you have the backcourt that won a title, 4-5 allstar games, all the ECF games, etc. He hasn't lost a step at all IMO he has just been in a horrible situation and has been totally misused.

And good to know.

How do you feel about Rip possibly leaving? Would you rather keep him or Gordon?

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