GMEG vs GMMJ

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It really wasn't pretty to see Micheal Jordan intrude upon Charlotte's coach Larry Brown and then light into all the players a couple weeks ago. He called them all out and then fired the legendary Larry Brown.

Charlotte appeared to be dead in the water at 9-19. A lot of us said MJ screwed up not having money to resign Felton. How dare he turn on HOF coach and fellow UNC alum, Larry Brown! What difference can Coach Silas make?

Since Jordan fired Brown, Paul Silas took a 9-19 team and so far is 4-2. He has a road win. Beat Flip by fifteen. One of the two losses was by one point. Charlotte is now 13-21 and alive for the playoffs,

Over all the losing, what has EG said or done aside from saying Blatche or McGee may be traded?

[arterimal]

That we are rebuilding around Wall. Have some patience.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Negativity this early in Wall's NBA is not the best way to rebuild IMO.

I am impatient. I don't like the way this team loses.

[arterimal]

Yeah, understandable, I don't either. I don't like making comparisons but looking at some other current stars like Lebron and Durant they went through some tough years. Think it took a few years and coaches before they even settled into their natural position at the 3 and the wins started to come. That Seattle situation was way more negative than what we got. Durant turned out to be fine, Wall will too, he's got that special quality that all the best players have.

[DMVleGeND]

Yeah, understandable, I don't either. I don't like making comparisons but looking at some other current stars like Lebron and Durant they went through some tough years. Think it took a few years and coaches before they even settled into their natural position at the 3 and the wins started to come. That Seattle situation was way more negative than what we got. Durant turned out to be fine, Wall will too, he's got that special quality that all the best players have.

+1

[AceDegenerate]

That we are rebuilding around Wall. Have some patience.

This line is bogus for those of us who have been watching with patience for 20+ years now.

At some point, the patience is gone and needs to be replaced with results.

[DMVleGeND]

That we are rebuilding around Wall. Have some patience.

This line is bogus for those of us who have been watching with patience for 20+ years now.

At some point, the patience is gone and needs to be replaced with results.

Yeah but it's different now. We just started rebuilding and our owner has asked for patience. Back then we were just looking for the quick fix when we thought we were ready compete for a championship when we weren't and it set this franchise back for years. We traded many young players away for veterans that didn't help us win. If we didn't do that, who knows what would've happened. The worst thing to do when you're rebuilding is to get impatient and make a panic trade, especially seeing how EG has blown numerous deals, but luckily I don't think Ted will let that happen. We as fans just have to stay patient and wish for the best. Most teams that acquire the #1 pick don't do that well the first year with him.

[pancakes3]

That we are rebuilding around Wall. Have some patience.

This line is bogus for those of us who have been watching with patience for 20+ years now.

At some point, the patience is gone and needs to be replaced with results.

well it's not like we've been a 20-win team for 20 years straight. on the other hand, 4 playoff seasons out of 20 is nothing to write home about either.

[Illuminaire]

Yeah, it's really funny reading people calling for us to act impatiently, because they don't like the losing.

You know, since impatience is probably the most obvious reason why the Bullets/Wiz have been losing so much all these years. It's like trying to use cigarettes to wean yourself off nicotine patches.

[DMVleGeND]

Yeah, it's really funny reading people calling for us to act impatiently, because they don't like the losing.

You know, since impatience is probably the most obvious reason why the Bullets/Wiz have been losing so much all these years. It's like trying to use cigarettes to wean yourself off nicotine patches.

+1000

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Yeah, it's really funny reading people calling for us to act impatiently, because they don't like the losing.

You know, since impatience is probably the most obvious reason why the Bullets/Wiz have been losing so much all these years. It's like trying to use cigarettes to wean yourself off nicotine patches.

Losing is something THIS GROUP wouldn't do as often if not for Flip.

I listen to people who are flat wrong about the difference one coach can make. Silas vs Brown. And for one game, Wittman vs Saunders.

The way this team loses is unacceptable. I believe Flip should have won ag least five of the over one dozen winnable games he has lost. 14-21 would not only be respectable, it would be still alive for the eighth spot. Most unacceptable are the double digit fourth quarter collapses due to Flip's horrendous, biased coaching.

He insists on losing his way. There is a Gerald Henderson on this team. Fire Flip and free him.

[Dat2U]

Negativity this early in Wall's NBA is not the best way to rebuild IMO.

I am impatient. I don't like the way this team loses.

CCJ, I disagreed with much of what you've said about Flip and all but the above statement is very true. Rebuilding does require patience but right now, this is not conducive to building a contender. There's alot of negativity surrounding the Wizards and Leonsis is probably too patient at this stage considering the circumstances.

The overall culture of this team and franchise has changed very little since the last few years. Even trading the scourge of the NBA, Gilbert Arenas, didn't bring us out of the darkness. Something needs to be done. We just disagree on what changes actually need to be made.

[Wizards2Lottery]

I won't believe in this "rebuild" nonsense until Ernie is gone. There is no rebuild as long as this weasel is still in this organization. He's lucky the Gilbert fiasco happened because he was able to pin last years EPIC FAIL on that situation.

But that team was awful before Gilbert **** up. His job would have been on the line because of how badly we failed and how awful his moves were. But he lucked out, found a scapegoat in Arenas and then got the #1 overall pick.

Until the real culprit behind this franchises current pathetic state is gone, I don't buy a single thing Leonsis says in regards to the Wizards.

[closg00]

I won't believe in this "rebuild" nonsense until Ernie is gone. There is no rebuild as long as this weasel is still in this organization. He's lucky the Gilbert fiasco happened because he was able to pin last years EPIC FAIL on that situation.

But that team was awful before Gilbert **** up. His job would have been on the line because of how badly we failed and how awful his moves were. But he lucked out, found a scapegoat in Arenas and then got the #1 overall pick.

Until the real culprit behind this franchises current pathetic state is gone, I don't buy a single thing Leonsis says in regards to the Wizards.

...and for Rico

[Illuminaire]

I don't entirely disagree with you about Flip, CCJ. His strengths as a coach are not necessarily the same ones I believe our roster needs.

I think his weaknesses are overblown, however. He's NOT a bad coach, on the whole. I think that some of the anti-flip sentiments contain some grass-is-greener thinking that rarely pans out as well as people hope. There are maybe three truly great coaches in this league, and every other coach has clear warts to go with their strengths. In many ways it's a lot like quarterbacks in the NFL.... after the top few, there are a few duds, and then a huge middle class where fit is probably the most important thing.

So, I am pretty much on board with keeping an eye out for a coach who would match best with our roster. However, I see no reason to make a panic move right now. We don't need a coaching change in the middle of a pre-lockout season. Not only would we be putting a large financial burden on Ted - he could end up paying two coaches to sit at home doing nothing - but we would be further destabilizing a roster that has had a nigh-Biblical flood of change over the last few months. A major coaching change right now would not result in more wins, it would result in confusion and stress. (Hey, I can state pure opinions as facts too! Weeeee!)

Kevin Durant survived bad coaching, a hostile team transplant, and some pretty terrible losing. There is no reason to think John Wall will be permanently scarred by one season of sub-par play on a team that completely shuffled it's roster before and during the season.

Lastly, I think it's important to acknowledge the defensive effort that the Wiz have put out. That never happened under EJ, and what they're doing now is more than respectable. Of course, one could argue that we shouldn't put so much stock in only 11 games... but then, we probably shouldn't put so much stock in the six under Silas either.

[willbcocks]

If Wall is a superstar point guard, he will change the losing culture by himself. If Flip Saunders and Andre Blatche are what bring him down, the guy didn't have it to begin with.

The key is to get high talent guys next to him so that him getting 20 wins per year by himself puts the team at 60 wins, not 40. Since they aren't on the team now and other teams won't trade them to us, we have to draft them.

EG definitely should be the first to go of this regime, and I wouldn't be unhappy if it happened tomorrow. Flip can go once we get a new GM, but there's no way he'll be sacked this year. It makes no sense financially, for one thing. Why sack him now and pay him this year's and next year's salary when next year there won't be a salary to pay because of the strike? Also, why sack him before sacking the GM--then we'll have another EFJ situation where he was hired by someone besides the current GM. It'll make it harder to make the next GM accountable.

[Illuminaire]

Willbcocks, stop making so much sense. Logic attracts trolls, don't you know that?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wall ISN'T and I predicted that, too.He is not a superstar. Not yet.

You conveniently don't mention pace, sharing PG with Kirk. Wall not having the ball, or the fact that he's a 20-year rookie. Flip and losing are the concern. I predict that soon as Saunders goes Wall's game will blow up is my prediction.

Flip will be retained but regardless, he is due to be paid next year. Are you saying Ted can't afford a new coach til Flip's deal expires at the end of 2012?

[nate33]

Wall ISN'T and I predicted that, too.He is not a superstar. Not yet.

You conveniently don't mention pace, sharing PG with Kirk. Wall not having the ball, or the fact that he's a 20-year rookie. Flip and losing are the concern. I predict that soon as Saunders goes Wall's game will blow up is my prediction.

CCJ, you know that the Wizards rank 10th in pace, don't you. It's not like they're intentionally trying to slow things down.

And as an aside, I'll point out that the 5 worst teams in the league all happen to rank in the top 11 in pace. And only two teams among the top 12 in pace have a winning record (New York and Denver).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wall ISN'T and I predicted that, too.He is not a superstar. Not yet.

You conveniently don't mention pace, sharing PG with Kirk. Wall not having the ball, or the fact that he's a 20-year rookie. Flip and losing are the concern. I predict that soon as Saunders goes Wall's game will blow up is my prediction.

CCJ, you know that the Wizards rank 10th in pace, don't you. It's not like they're intentionally trying to slow things down.

And as an aside, I'll point out that the 5 worst teams in the league all happen to rank in the top 11 in pace. And only two teams among the top 12 in pace have a winning record (New York and Denver).

That is news to me. How are they scoring so few points?

Also, what does that say for Wall's game if pace isn't the reason for his struggles?