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GMEG vs GMMJ

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Re: GMEG vs GMMJ 

Post#21 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:16 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Negativity this early in Wall's NBA is not the best way to rebuild IMO.

I am impatient. I don't like the way this team loses.


CCJ, I disagreed with much of what you've said about Flip and all but the above statement is very true. Rebuilding does require patience but right now, this is not conducive to building a contender. There's alot of negativity surrounding the Wizards and Leonsis is probably too patient at this stage considering the circumstances.

The overall culture of this team and franchise has changed very little since the last few years. Even trading the scourge of the NBA, Gilbert Arenas, didn't bring us out of the darkness. Something needs to be done. We just disagree on what changes actually need to be made.

Enough people disagree with me that in wisdom and humility I am considering which things I may be wrong about.

If Flip would just close games strong, be positive, stop having an apparent double standard upon mistakes that he won't tolerate from one player but will repeatedly from another--I'd be happy to get off the man's case. I feel badly about me criticism of Flip. I hate feeling like a hater and I feel he works hard, but I do think this time Saunders has it twisted. None of his guys are buying in. He needs to adjust IMO.
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Re: GMEG vs GMMJ 

Post#22 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:21 pm

Sorry for the typos. I am using my IPod touch and its editor gets on my nerves with auto-corrections.
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Re: GMEG vs GMMJ 

Post#23 » by REDardWIZskin » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:38 pm

Yea I think we should get a new GM in here to assess the situation himself for the second half of the season and proceed accordingly. I'm not a hardcore fire EG guy but he's just had too many chances to start over that other GM's would not get. It seems like he keeps trying to find players to trade to keep the attention off himself.
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Re: GMEG vs GMMJ 

Post#24 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:51 pm

It's been brought up before and it bears repeating again.

"Old EG" was a guy working for a dying owner who had no interest in rebuilding. His moves were reasonably effective, but because he was operating at an accelerated timeline, he couldn't afford to be as patient and grow talent from within. Predictably, his team peaked at 46 wins and then succumbed to injury.

"New EG" has a different criteria for success. I think he has done his job fairly well. He broke up an old and overpaid roster (owed $130M) and converted it into a younger, cheaper roster (owed just $50M) with little difference in the win/loss column. He engineered a tank strategy which got us the #1 overall pick. And he acquired Hinrich and Seraphin for nothing. (By comparison, OKC used all their cap room and picks to ultimately trade up for Cole Aldrich - who so far is worse than Seraphin.)

I don't see anything "New EG" has done wrong (except the Yi trade, but since no teams are really looking to dump payroll, I'm not seeing much of opportunity cost).
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Post#25 » by Hoopalotta » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:10 pm

nate33 wrote:I don't see anything "New EG" has done wrong (except the Yi trade, but since no teams are really looking to dump payroll, I'm not seeing much of opportunity cost).


I have to say that I think we missed out by not swinging a deal with Miami pre-draft. There was just a lot of value to be had there that meshed with our circumstances and prerogatives.

I don't know what all was on the table other than that "Beasley was there basically for free" (multiple reports; Sheridan most recently), but when you look at how everything worked out for them, us absorbing Beasley, Jones, Cook and the 18th pick would have been a better deal than what Miami got. In reality, they didn't dump Jones but they did get the high second for Pittman (plus future seconds from Minny with some caveats), so I think our offer would have beaten that. It might have been even cheaper to where we don't need to absorb Jones or are at least thrown $3 million in cash.

I plugged in the numbers and we could have still done the K-Honey/Seraphin absorption deal while also trading up to the 23rd and just skipped Yi/Howard; more good news, after the Jones buyout, we still would have had the money for the "seemed like a good idea at the time" Dray renegotiation too! :D

Then, we turn around and trade the 18th pick to the Clippers for that future 1st, just like OKC did (I think we might have needed to do that to make the cap numbers work anyway). The Clips are the best rebounding team in the league and will probably be a late lottery club next year, so you're looking at, say, maybe the 13th pick in the 2012 draft (worst case, probably the 17th pick).

Beasley either works out here or he's a trade chip and I'd definitely argue that the concerns about his character are overblown (not like some guys I can think of). He's been a good soldier in 'Sota and it's not surprising that he was being stifled by poor chemistry with Wade, very high expectations and a generally stodgy team culture (notable that Dorrel Wright has improved as well, even if we're talking Nelly numbers).

To me, that would have been the smarter move as far as asset accumulation even accounting for the cruddy James Jones contract which we may or may not have had to take on (after his buyout, he's now on the books for about $1.75 million in 2013; not a deal breaker).

As I mentioned in the trade thread, I do recall reading that there was internal debate/split opinions within the Wizards brass about absorbing Beasley, so this isn't particularly far into the realms of the hypothetical. IIRC, the main objection here on the board was based on the misinformation that we'd have max cap space after the lockout, but as events played out, that obviously wasn't the actual plan, so I say there's very little downside there.

Other than Yi presumably selling some Zig-Techs and Howard's defense, the upside that I'm seeing with our current roster is that we probably get a higher lottery pick this year; still, there's a cost involved there.
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