[Camelo Thread Part 7]

[god shammgod]

these are the most interesting back to back quotes to me

Melo was asked what he would say if presented with going to NJ: "After that meeting, I'll let you know how the meeting went.''

Melo was asked why he thinks there will be no trade this week "That's just my feeling. I don't think so. I don't want to elaborate on that.'

if there's a chance he would extend why does he say he doesn't think he'll be traded this week

#%@#$#

i wrote it 5 pages back arleady

this to me means that Melo is open to going to NJ, but wont go there if the team is gutted. Trading away harris, favors, 2-5 picks is gutting that team.

gutted ? they're horrible right now. so he'll go if harris stays ? c'mon.

[Knickplaya]

The Nets know if the Knicks get Melo NO ONE will ever become a Nets fan.

[knicks9784]

And another thing...why aren't we being used on Denver's end to drive up the price?
Wouldn't that be a logical negotiation route? What do they gain by basically, publicly declaring that we are not in the conversation? This is all so odd.

We are being used. Why do you think the Nyets are about to mortgage their entire future to keep Melo from the Knicks?

But repeatedly leaking that the Knicks don't have the assets that they want is a real poor way of using the Knicks to squeeze the Nets isn't it?

yeah we're not being used here. we're the target. melo is more valuable to us and wants to be here, denver knows this. dealing with another team is the only way to create any leverage against the knicks. the knicks have all the leverage in dealing with the nugs, nets dont. so they use the nets to say here is what hes worth, you have to beat this. where if they just deal with us, we're like he wants to be here, he'll come here anyways as a FA, we dont have to offer you fair value.

also they saw what houston did to donnie when pressuring him, houston got what they wanted and ujiri prob thinks he can do the same thing here by waiting it out he hopes donnie will panic

[Falstaffxx]

If Melo is serious about NJ just because of the money (concerns) then I would doubt he'd care two bits about Billups ultimately. However, if he is the type that would really care about Billups then the chances are good that he likely won't be driven by money (which, tbh, is THE only weapon the Nugs and Nets have over him).

And it's still not clear to me exactly how much money we're talking about. In the current CBA it doesn't look as if he'd be losing much. And I'm not sure why people are convinced that the new CBA = huge pay cuts for new contracts. I'm not buying that Amar'e = $20 million per year yet the players are going to accept a deal where Carmelo gets $15 million per year or something.

He's not. If Melo would sign the extension, it means that he stands to make $83 million over the next 4 years. If he were to sign as a free agent, he would be looking at the following (current CBA allows each years contract to be 105% max of previous year or league max...which is below Melo's current salary):

2011-2012 ~ $18M
2012-2013 ~ $19M
2013-2014 ~ $20M
2014-2015 ~ $21M
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Total for first 4 years under new 5 year contract: $78 million.

Plus he'd have a 5th year guaranteed as well, which is a plus for him. The stuff some sports writers are saying about him leaving money on the table simply don't have substance. The most anyone can say is that there would be some uncertainty about the final numbers due to the new CBA.

[Justdatdude]

lol@ people actually believing carmelo's statement about the knicks not wanting him

he can easily call up amar'e and get the answer from the horse's mouth(donnie) through amar'e.

Or maybe Carmelo is reading the same reports that we've read that states Amare is happy being the man and he's indifferent on if Carmelo joins or not. It can be Carmelo way of talking to Amare through the press in hopes of Amare reaching out to him, instead of Carmelo reaching out to Amare.

[Falstaffxx]

lol@ people actually believing carmelo's statement about the knicks not wanting him

he can easily call up amar'e and get the answer from the horse's mouth(donnie) through amar'e.

Or maybe Carmelo is reading the same reports that we've read that states Amare is happy being the man and he's indifferent on if Carmelo joins or not. It can be Carmelo way of talking to Amare through the press in hopes of Amare reaching out to him, instead of Carmelo reaching out to Amare.

There haven't been any reports to that effect, just a quote from Amar'e saying we have a good team and "don't need that much more." Anything beyond that is just speculation.

And this goes back to "stuff that doesn't make sense simply doesn't make sense." It does make sense for Amar'e to think his team can compete with the Heat unless we add additional top-level talent any more than it makes sense to think Rip is motivation for Carmelo to go to NJ. Stuff that doesn't make sense usually isn't true.

[AllanHoustonFan]

lol@ people actually believing carmelo's statement about the knicks not wanting him

he can easily call up amar'e and get the answer from the horse's mouth(donnie) through amar'e.

Or maybe Carmelo is reading the same reports that we've read that states Amare is happy being the man and he's indifferent on if Carmelo joins or not. It can be Carmelo way of talking to Amare through the press in hopes of Amare reaching out to him, instead of Carmelo reaching out to Amare.

There haven't been any reports to that effect, just a quote from Amar'e saying we have a good team and "don't need that much more." Anything beyond that is just speculation.

Well Melo needs to read todays report that says Amar'e wants him here but he needs to be patient

[Justdatdude]

I dont think Carmelo and Amare communicate as much as we think they do.

Exactly. They're friends, but its foolish to think these guys are calling each other every single day, discussing what's going on in the media. Carmelo is doing his thing in Denver and Amare is doing his thing in New York. They know that this type of stuff happen. They probably check up on each other here and there, but they're not romantically involved. They're aren't calling each other every second, knowing a trade isn't happening just yet. They're friends. Not lovers.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

yeah we're not being used here. we're the target. melo is more valuable to us and wants to be here, denver knows this. dealing with another team is the only way to create any leverage against the knicks. the knicks have all the leverage in dealing with the nugs, nets dont. so they use the nets to say here is what hes worth, you have to beat this. where if they just deal with us, we're like he wants to be here, he'll come here anyways as a FA, we dont have to offer you fair value.

So with this logic we are all but guaranteed Walsh will have his opportunity to counter. Since in essence we are bidding against ourselves...and Melo's understanding of the CBA.

[MSGLegendNY]

Melo says he doesn't bother about all this trade stuff but yet he's reading on what the Knicks think of him? This was an obvious lie.

[Knickplaya]

Knicks 9874----

I agree but the problem with this is---- what if the Knicks don't call Denver right away, and it becomes public, or Knicks knoweldge that Melo will not sign the extension, NJ backs out--- then the Nuggets have NO leverage?

[Justdatdude]

More mixed signals guys

christomasson Chris Tomasson
Melo: "It's funny that maybe if we wouldn’t have lost these three games (in row) I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you to this extent...

christomasson Chris Tomasson
"(Then) there’s no desperation about what is going to happen tomorrow or the next day or next week (regarding a possible trade).''

That doesn't sound like someone who is eager to settle his extension, honestly.

Again, Melo's idiotic agents are saying one thing, and Melo's demeanor seems quite, quite different.

Exactly. Like I said the other day, Melo is going to do what he want to do. He's well set when it comes to money as he got other things going for him outside of basketball. Even then, he's making millions of dollars a year from basketball. He's not going to let his agents force him somewhere he doesn't want to go. Their job is to please him, not for him to please them.

[knicks9784]

yeah we're not being used here. we're the target. melo is more valuable to us and wants to be here, denver knows this. dealing with another team is the only way to create any leverage against the knicks. the knicks have all the leverage in dealing with the nugs, nets dont. so they use the nets to say here is what hes worth, you have to beat this. where if they just deal with us, we're like he wants to be here, he'll come here anyways as a FA, we dont have to offer you fair value.

So with this logic we are all but guaranteed Walsh will have his opportunity to counter. Since in essence we are bidding against ourselves...and Melo's understanding of the CBA.

thats the way i see, im not saying its fact, but when looking at everything thats what i take from it

id be surprised if we werent given a chance to make an offer before everything is said and done

[Jay10]

carmelo's basically saying to the nets, 'i would rather answer these stupid questions every day, than join your team"

[Falstaffxx]

yeah we're not being used here. we're the target. melo is more valuable to us and wants to be here, denver knows this. dealing with another team is the only way to create any leverage against the knicks. the knicks have all the leverage in dealing with the nugs, nets dont. so they use the nets to say here is what hes worth, you have to beat this. where if they just deal with us, we're like he wants to be here, he'll come here anyways as a FA, we dont have to offer you fair value.

So with this logic we are all but guaranteed Walsh will have his opportunity to counter. Since in essence we are bidding against ourselves...and Melo's understanding of the CBA.

I think at the very least he'll make this drag on toward the trade deadline. We don't know whether or not it's important to Melo to get signed now as opposed to during the offseason, but Denver has something to lose here too (ie, Melo can simply walk and they get nothing back).

[AllanHoustonFan]

YAY GUYS WE GET TO DO THIS AGAIN IN A MONTH!!!

http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_ ... hony-trade

[knicks9784]

Knicks 9874----

I agree but the problem with this is---- what if the Knicks don't call Denver right away, and it becomes public, or Knicks knoweldge that Melo will not sign the extension, NJ backs out--- then the Nuggets have NO leverage?

right, hence why they havent let melo meet with the nets yet. i tihnk melo's professional enough to keep quiet and not voice his intentions through the media, only to management and teams directly. so denver keeps putting off the deal cause then melo would have to meet with the nets and tell them no and then no more leverage with the knicks. lets not forget this is the 2nd time a deal has been all but done.

[NBA Fan 1234]

YAY GUYS WE GET TO DO THIS AGAIN IN A MONTH!!!

http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_ ... hony-trade

This is going to be happening every day for the next month...not just, in a month.

Then, if he is not traded by the deadline, we get to do this after the finals and before the CBA expires on June 30th (also the last day for the extension).

The internets will explodeeee!!!!!

[captain subtext]

YAY GUYS WE GET TO DO THIS AGAIN IN A MONTH!!!

http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_ ... hony-trade

Then there's some gamesmanship surrounding the Nets' 2011 draft pick. Very high picks like that one, used skillfully, are nearly essential ingredients to winning titles, and they're damned hard to find. As the Nuggets root for that pick to be as high as possible, they root, of course, for the Nets to lose. And every loss matters, as a heated battle is underway for the NBA's worst record. The 10-27 Nets have the NBA's fifth-worst record today, but they're a mere two games out of the 8-29 Cavaliers' first, or last -- depending on your perspective -- place. Of course, the Nuggets can't do anything to make the Nets lose more ... or can they? Giving them an All-Star like Anthony may well cause the Nets to rip off some wins. It sounds a little out there, but one thought is that the longer the Nuggets keep Anthony from the Nets, the better that Nets' pick is likely to be.


Very interesting point. Good job, Henry Abbott.

[Knickplaya]

The whole plan to gain leverage is going to completley backfire, if this is the case.