Carmelo Anthony Thread (Merging)

[NyCeEvO]

Masai and Kroenke aren't going to do everything Melo wants since he's rejecting to stay with his team. They're already doing a lot for him by trying to get Billups and Hamilton to go with him. He can't just say let me become a free agent and sign with the Knicks nor can he say "ok, if you send me to NJ, can you call NOH to get Paul?" He's between a rock and a hard place. We'll see what comes out of it.

Come on dog, you're better then that!

They don't give a flying squirrel **** about making Melo happy post Denver, they are only concerned because that's the only way they can get this haul for him.

If they don't pull this deal off they're going to be forced to take some lame proposal from a contender looking to rent him with no extension or the Knix offer, which they publicly have stated numerous times they aren't enamored with in the slightest.

This is not a friendly break up, this is War of the Roses.

The absolute only reason Melo is in any danger of being the loser is the new CBA may very well lower salary, but A) I don't think the reductions will be nearly as dramatic as some are making it, and B) I think big name stars will still be paid only slightly less, but the MLE will probably decrease, as will the first contracts after rookie deals and owners will be more cautious about handing role players big contracts and possibly the set level vet minimum deals will increase for players with a certain amount of experience.

Dude, did you read what I said? I said that they don't care about what Melo wants and they're already doing him a favor (not literally as in he's asked for it and they said yes) as in that they're sending other players with him which happens to make the team that he goes to better. I completely agree that they're not doing this to appease him. Come on, VC you know me better than that to say something that foolish.

[mercury]

Just an FYI... Rips contract is only partially guaranteed on the last year... he'll have trade value by next years deadline.

BS.

It's $9 million guaranteed out of $12.5, utterly unwaivable.

he he... says the dedicated fan of the team ready to include him in the deal.
Most teams would be glad to drop over 3M from their salary with a chance to get outta the tax the following year or create cap flexibilty.
Rip will indeed be tradeable in one year from this February.. no BS involved.... but hey it's your board pal.

[NyCeEvO]

Either way it's probably moot because Carmelo wants his $. Leon Rose has got to be pissed as a **** since this 1 deal can help 2 of his clients (maybe 3) soooooooooo much. I think Masai is really staring down the barrel of a gun bc if he continues to stand in the way of what Carmelo wants so blatantly, Melo is going to start getting nasty. It's already started with Billups and the 'headache'. That **** is going to start imploding soon, I just hope King has the balls to stare it down.

Here is our offer. Every week you **** around I'm pulling picks, and starting with the higher ones. If you want to wait until the deadline, good for you, I'll make you the best offer but not a cent less. If you get a better offer all the power to you. Sorry detroit, you almost won the lottery. Sucks to be you. You too Leon.

Here's the bad thing though. We haven't seen Billy say "no" yet. The Nets could have finally done that today or they could be finding a 4th team to trade Harrington to so the deal can go through. I really wish that Billy would just tell Masai what the deal is.
1) You're on the clock, not us! You want to wait til the deadline, make sure we don't make the playoffs and then get our pick?? I think not.
2) No other team is offering you their stud rookie for Melo. We are. If you don't want to do that then (like you said) start pulling away picks/players.
3) You've already pissed off every other team involved in our previous potential multi-team deals because you don't want to face the fact that you're going to lose Melo. Don't piss off your last suitor.

And then hang up.

Billy is not playing hardball when it's so easy right now. The Nuggets have to make a move period. We don't. We're simply appeasing their desires. C'mon King, get a backbone!

[vincecarter4pres]

Masai and Kroenke aren't going to do everything Melo wants since he's rejecting to stay with his team. They're already doing a lot for him by trying to get Billups and Hamilton to go with him. He can't just say let me become a free agent and sign with the Knicks nor can he say "ok, if you send me to NJ, can you call NOH to get Paul?" He's between a rock and a hard place. We'll see what comes out of it.

Come on dog, you're better then that!

They don't give a flying squirrel **** about making Melo happy post Denver, they are only concerned because that's the only way they can get this haul for him.

If they don't pull this deal off they're going to be forced to take some lame proposal from a contender looking to rent him with no extension or the Knix offer, which they publicly have stated numerous times they aren't enamored with in the slightest.

This is not a friendly break up, this is War of the Roses.

The absolute only reason Melo is in any danger of being the loser is the new CBA may very well lower salary, but A) I don't think the reductions will be nearly as dramatic as some are making it, and B) I think big name stars will still be paid only slightly less, but the MLE will probably decrease, as will the first contracts after rookie deals and owners will be more cautious about handing role players big contracts and possibly the set level vet minimum deals will increase for players with a certain amount of experience.

Dude, did you read what I said? I said that they don't care about what Melo wants and they're already doing him a favor (not literally as in he's asked for it and they said yes) as in that they're sending other players with him which happens to make the team that he goes to better. I completely agree that they're not doing this to appease him. Come on, VC you know me better than that to say something that foolish.

Sorry, I kind of went off on a tangent.

Just getting a little frustrated.

[Netaman]

Quick question. How does Denver expect us to take on Harrington? Isn't asking us to take on 50 mil worth of salary enough? What could we even match back?

[NyCeEvO]

I'm really tired of this crap. Denver should just have this drama all by themselves and get screwed for having this play out for 4 months and counting.

[jeff1624]

Quick question. How does Denver expect us to take on Harrington? Isn't asking us to take on 50 mil worth of salary enough? What could we even match back?

In a separate deal where we it would be Harrington for Vujacic.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm fine with Harrington if we're sending out Outlaw, but we all know that isn't happening.

[Jersey Generals]

In a separate deal where we it would be Harrington for Vujacic.

Plus Arron Afflalo!

...please?


Oh, and Vince, yeah, you got exactly what I meant before when I said the stalling comment. Its like you know me better than I know myself.

[vincecarter4pres]

In a separate deal where we it would be Harrington for Vujacic.

Plus Arron Afflalo!

...please?


Oh, and Vince, yeah, you got exactly what I meant before when I said the stalling comment. Its like you know me better than I know myself.

:afflalolol:

[vincecarter4pres]

Just an FYI... Rips contract is only partially guaranteed on the last year... he'll have trade value by next years deadline.

BS.

It's $9 million guaranteed out of $12.5, utterly unwaivable.

he he... says the dedicated fan of the team ready to include him in the deal.
Most teams would be glad to drop over 3M from their salary with a chance to get outta the tax the following year or create cap flexibilty.
Rip will indeed be tradeable in one year from this February.. no BS involved.... but hey it's your board pal.

How many teams trade great players just to get out of the luxury tax for little to no further incentive?

Most of the times, it's teams over the tax trading an albatross or sort of useful, sort of average expiring for pure cap or a non-guaranteed expiring and they send a couple crappy 1sts.

That's the type of deal that's great if you're a rebuilding team stacking picks cause you have unused cap and no need to make big moves.

It's not the type of thing that helps a playoff team with a star become a contender.

Teams like NOH, they aren't going to want any part in Hamilton and then to buy him out, they won't be anywhere near the tax next season, if CP3 was the target.

A non-guaranteed deal like Andre Miller's or Vince Carter's is pure gold, Rip's is borderline useless for a team in our position assuming we did these deals.

[Netaman]

If they go along with the Nets' offer, the Nuggets would save nearly $20 million, including luxury taxes; get a former All-Star in Devin Harris and one the game's top three point shooters in Anthony Morrow; a $12 million trade exception and three first round draft picks (including Derrick Favors) that could all be lottery picks. But that's apparently not enough.

How is Masi anything other then incompetent?

[Jersey Generals]

Not enough? Hilarious.

He's going to the Rockets, count on it.

[smw6230]

Who's trading for RIP (Rest In Peace) Hamilton next year?

He's a shell of his former self now. He scored 5 points tonight. Nobody is going to want him and his contract next year!

Fact of the matter is the Nets wouldn't touch Hamilton now except for the fact that they're trying to leverage what he use to be on Anthony so as to make the argument that if he resigns with NJ they'll assemble a supporting cast that will allow him to contend.

Now, I happen to think that's utter folly with players like RIP & Billups but maybe Carmelo will buy it.

[jeff1624]

If our FO had any balls/brains they'd reduce the offer as we get closer to the trade deadline.. Unless it's Carmelo holding up the deal, Denver's GM has no reason to reject our offer when it's clearly the best package anyone is gonna offer them. But who am I kidding, we'll probably take back harrington and offer two more picks.

[smw6230]

If our FO had any balls/brains they'd reduce the offer as we get closer to the trade deadline.. Unless it's Carmelo holding up the deal, Denver's GM has no reason to reject our offer when it's clearly the best package anyone is gonna offer them. But who am I kidding, we'll probably take back harrington and offer two more picks.

Now this is the point that has me utterly baffled. The Nuggets have basically eliminated every other team from the CA bidding, yet despite having no competition and essentially bidding against himself King continues to increase his offer!

In God's name why? If I were the Nets I'd half that offer and call Denver's bluff. Where else are they going to turn for either young players of quality or picks for a likely rental?

[Talentfull]

The Nets have utterly screwed themselves that's why. They're at a point of no return. Half the team is involved in trade rumors and based on the blowouts from Washington/Milwaukee last week I think it's safe to assume that they've stopped caring...Even Lopez whose name remain out of trade rumors seems like he's checked out. The Nets are also as desperate as they come and Ujiri probably knows this better than anyone. Can't blame Denver for upping the price at this point. I think we all know that the Nets are not gonna back out no matter what.

[Jersey Generals]

Yup, even if the Carmelo trade falls through, I think you pretty much have to trade Devin Harris.

[Shark]

If there's a time to get out of this deal its now. Plain and simple. Denver wants a king's ransom and then some for a player that wants out and will be gone at the end of the season if they don't deal him.

[smw6230]

Damn, now this is just disrespectful. Not content to possibly steamroll King Denver is now clowning the FO publicly by telling everyone that the Nets FO doesn't have their act together.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... rade011011

Now while I think the threat is empty it is interesting that King & Co hopped to Denver's tune and quickly shut up.

Again I ask the question, what leverage does Denver have to issue demands? They have nowhere else to turn. King has essentially created a monster by giving Denver more leverage than they should have by right of the situation. He's going to getting taken to the cleaners because not once in this drama has he shown any backbone by standing up to Denver.