Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony

SpeedyG · Post #801 » by **SpeedyG** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:30 am

Billy King and the Nets need to grow some b*** and put an end to this BS. You want to take less for Carmelo Anthony? You mad because the details of your punk *** indecisiveness is being made public?

Go ahead. Make your trade with the Knicks.

Post #802 » by **dockingsched** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:49 am

magnumt wrote:
dcash4 wrote:only a knicks hater thinks favors is worth more than chandler...riiiiiight.

Okay, I'll play along:

Yet you fail to address the 2nd part of my post you were addressing that says NY can also add any combo of Gallo/Fields.

Fields is a ROY Candidate, twice-time Rookie of the Month, on a 2nd Round Pay Scale, and is clearly outplaying the #3 Pick Favors.

Gallo is still on his Rookie deal, and is just about 22. Putting up 15 & 5.

Neither of those two are due for "pay days" as your argument so eloquently eluded to.

How exactly will you spin this one?

--Mags

you said chandler >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any youth the nets can offer.

what you just did right there is...

-- dcash

livintoolive · Post #803 » by **livintoolive** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:50 am

As a Knicks fan, Favors clearly has much more value than Chandler. I like Chandler, and maybe the Spurs (or another champ contender) would pay for him before paying for Favors. However, on the open NBA market, Favors yields more than Chandler 10 times out of 10. Have you Knicks fans already forgotten what the last decade was like? Because 6 months and 3 days ago, we SHOULD have taken Favors over Chandler, if offered both, easily. Star potential is star potential.

Greenie · Post #804 » by **Greenie** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:51 am

bruddahmanmatt wrote:Sooooooo basically those of us on the first few pages who called "BS" were right then? This is, YET AGAIN, another attempt at posturing by the Nuggets in order to get the Knicks to up their offer for Anthony. Pathetic Denver, just pathetic, and quite frankly it's getting VERY old. Three BS trades that never had any shot of going down just to get the Knicks to up their offer. Not likely given New Yorks surprising success this year. The Knicks have had a change in priority. Melo would be friggin' luxury but I'm thinking that the New York FO might actually be playing this one smart and weighing the potential drawbacks of blowing it all up (once again) for just one guy.

The rest of the leagues GM's needs to realize who running the Knicks, Donnie Walsh is not Isiah Thomas.

As for the Nets, they need to stop being b****ed.

That is all..........

heatwillbeback · Post #805 » by **heatwillbeback** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:52 am

if this trade goes down, its going to be absolutely humongous player wise lol

new teams apparently getting involved every day. Just get it done Denver. His value will decrease.

elbowthrower · Post #806 » by **elbowthrower** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:53 am

bruddahmanmatt wrote:Sooooooo basically those of us on the first few pages who called "BS" were right then? This is, YET AGAIN, another attempt at posturing by the Nuggets in order to get the Knicks to up their offer for Anthony. Pathetic Denver, just pathetic, and quite frankly it's getting VERY old. Three BS trades that never had any shot of going down just to get the Knicks to up their offer. Not likely given New Yorks surprising success this year. The Knicks have had a change in priority. Melo would be friggin' luxury but I'm thinking that the New York FO might actually be playing this one smart and weighing the potential drawbacks of blowing it all up (once again) for just one guy.

You act like you're personally involved. :lol:

I can't believe the Denver FO did that to you! It's pathetic!

AmareNY · Post #807 » by **AmareNY** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:58 am

Is this the NBA or a Soap Opera?

AllBall · Post #808 » by **AllBall** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:59 am

AmareNY wrote:Is this the NBA or a Soap Opera?

The NBA is a grown man's soap opera.

AllBall · Post #809 » by **AllBall** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:06 am

Jetset wrote:My thoughts exactly. LAL will be involved next

Actually, Houston.

WojYahooNBA wrote:ChrisMannixSI SI.com update into Rockets inquiries into Carmelo Anthony http://bit.ly/h4C4Mm

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

:lol:

Post #810 » by **corona** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:21 am

wang000hk wrote:This team has no leadership and don't know how it takes to win.

they won with miller and iverson, and anthony carter as the starting point (great leaders?). i'm not saying they'll be great or win a lot of close games, but there's too much talent there and karl's too good a regular season coach for the team to fall off into oblivion.

Lawson puts up some good numbers as starter,but he's also quite terrible in certain games at starter.He struggles with some of better pg out there.

what certain games? i had to do a quick search and look because i wasn't sure. there's one game in his career where he started and put up a real stinker....also happened to be the first start of his career, in the 2nd month of his career. the next 6 games he started a week later....averaged something like 17/7 on exceptional fg percentages. this year, more of the same.

wow,you still talk how good the bench is? Their playing like crap right now.
JR,Al have 1 good game out of 5 games. Birdman is garbage.
Harris is overrated and injury prone. Favors is still unknown,not sure how good he will be.
I doubt their overall production isn't even on top 10 right now.

7th in efficiency differential, 6th in points. and that's when they're playing like crap...apparently. get the trade cloud off their heads and a little health and i don't think what i said is unreasonable.

The huge problem is that they still lack a go to guy that can make play in clutch. Watch the 76ers,Spurs games last month.

there's plenty of teams without go-to clutch players....nuggets wouldn't have a problem taking them....especially at home. i never said they'd be great. just that they'd make the playoffs. and i think the talent remaining on the roster, plus karls knack for regular season basketball, plus the weight of the melo trade cloud being lifted would leave them around .500 for the remainder of the season.

bruddahmanmatt · Post #811 » by **bruddahmanmatt** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:22 am

elbowthrower wrote:
bruddahmanmatt wrote:Sooooooo basically those of us on the first few pages who called "BS" were right then? This is, YET AGAIN, another attempt at posturing by the Nuggets in order to get the Knicks to up their offer for Anthony. Pathetic Denver, just pathetic, and quite frankly it's getting VERY old. Three BS trades that never had any shot of going down just to get the Knicks to up their offer. Not likely given New Yorks surprising success this year. The Knicks have had a change in priority. Melo would be friggin' luxury but I'm thinking that the New York FO might actually be playing this one smart and weighing the potential drawbacks of blowing it all up (once again) for just one guy.

You act like you're personally involved.

I can't believe the Denver FO did that to you! It's pathetic!

Umm, hows that? It's actually insulting to everyone's intelligence if Denver thinks they're fooling anyone. Pretty embarrassing and quite frankly, laughable.

Stills12 · Post #812 » by **Stills12** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:29 am

AllBall wrote:
WojYahooNBA wrote:Y! Sources: Denver threatens New Jersey: Unless tone changes in 'Melo talks, watch us trade him to Knicks. http://tinyurl.com/4hyje8y

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

lmao, wtf is going on here!?

Post #813 » by **corona** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:35 am

bruddahmanmatt wrote:
elbowthrower wrote:
bruddahmanmatt wrote:Sooooooo basically those of us on the first few pages who called "BS" were right then? This is, YET AGAIN, another attempt at posturing by the Nuggets in order to get the Knicks to up their offer for Anthony. Pathetic Denver, just pathetic, and quite frankly it's getting VERY old. Three BS trades that never had any shot of going down just to get the Knicks to up their offer. Not likely given New Yorks surprising success this year. The Knicks have had a change in priority. Melo would be friggin' luxury but I'm thinking that the New York FO might actually be playing this one smart and weighing the potential drawbacks of blowing it all up (once again) for just one guy.

You act like you're personally involved.

I can't believe the Denver FO did that to you! It's pathetic!

Umm, hows that? It's actually insulting to everyone's intelligence if Denver thinks they're fooling anyone. Pretty embarrassing and quite frankly, laughable.

you're saying that denver's making the whole nets rumor up to try to fool the knicks? if that's the case, why hasn't the nets FO come out and denied all the rumors? it doesn't do their players any good when they sit down and watch espn and see their names in a likely trade scenario that should happen within ___ number of hours. so deny that it's ever happened.

or you're saying there's actual discussion between new jersey/denver about the trade Woj/Broussard have mentioned.....just that new jersey's getting trolled because melo would never sign there, and denver knows that....but is still seeking a public trade proposal to try to get the knicks to up their offer. well....why doesn't melo come out and say that he doesn't want to go to new jersey, if he doesn't want to go (like he did about the bobcats....immediately)? why doesn't his agent call new jersey and say his client isn't interested? that doesn't make sense. nets aren't stupid....they wouldn't go to these lengths if they didn't have indications that melo would extend, or a sit down with rose/hova/billionaire couldn't convince him in 1/2 an hour.

or are leon rose, the denver FO and melo all conspiring to try to fool the knicks into thinking new jersey's a viable option to try to get the knicks to up their asking price so denver will cave and take that. a) quite the conspiracy theory and b) that doesn't do melo any good....since it takes more talent away from the knicks, which would weaken his chances of winning. melo should theoretically want to strongarm his way to new york. get them to trade as little as possible while getting his 65 million extension. why try to fool the knicks into giving up more assets?

trying to understand your logic here, but it doesn't make any sense in relation to all the reports we've seen.

kombayn · Post #814 » by **kombayn** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:47 am

But what are the Knicks offering the Nuggets would actually take? They can't trade a first unless they trade a player to a different team. To me it sounds like Denver wants luxury tax savings and cap savings. The best guess I could make is T. Douglas, L. Fields, D. Gallinari, W. Chandler & A. Randolph for Carmelo, R. Balkman & A. Harrington. If I was the Knicks though, I would want Affalo back if they're giving up Fields. They need to shore up any missing positions. Knicks Starters: Felton/Affalo/'Melo/Harrington/Amar'e which isn't that bad quite frankly.

boogie-reke · Post #815 » by **boogie-reke** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:50 am

Still Desi wrote:
AllBall wrote:
WojYahooNBA wrote:Y! Sources: Denver threatens New Jersey: Unless tone changes in 'Melo talks, watch us trade him to Knicks. http://tinyurl.com/4hyje8y

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

lmao, wtf is going on here!?

"Man you better not go public with that 50,000 dollar deal we have in plan... cause if you do i'll... i'll... i'll take that other 25,000 dollar deal I got just waiting to happen instead! ha!"

I mean really what the fvvck is that :lol:

bruddahmanmatt · Post #816 » by **bruddahmanmatt** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:00 am

corona wrote:you're saying that denver's making the whole nets rumor up to try to fool the knicks? if that's the case, why hasn't the nets FO come out and denied all the rumors? it doesn't do their players any good when they sit down and watch espn and see their names in a likely trade scenario that should happen within ___ number of hours. so deny that it's ever happened.

or you're saying there's actual discussion between new jersey/denver about the trade Woj/Broussard have mentioned.....just that new jersey's getting trolled because melo would never sign there, and denver knows that....but is still seeking a public trade proposal to try to get the knicks to up their offer. well....why doesn't melo come out and say that he doesn't want to go to new jersey, if he doesn't want to go (like he did about the bobcats....immediately)? why doesn't his agent call new jersey and say his client isn't interested? that doesn't make sense. nets aren't stupid....they wouldn't go to these lengths if they didn't have indications that melo would extend, or a sit down with rose/hova/billionaire couldn't convince him in 1/2 an hour.

or are leon rose, the denver FO and melo all conspiring to try to fool the knicks into thinking new jersey's a viable option to try to get the knicks to up their asking price so denver will cave and take that. a) quite the conspiracy theory and b) that doesn't do melo any good....since it takes more talent away from the knicks, which would weaken his chances of winning. melo should theoretically want to strongarm his way to new york. get them to trade as little as possible while getting his 65 million extension. why try to fool the knicks into giving up more assets?

trying to understand your logic here, but it doesn't make any sense in relation to all the reports we've seen.

The previous four-team trade was already debunked as a pure smokescreen when Denver backed out "because they didn't want to take on Kirilenko's contract"...AFTER THEY WERE THE ONES WHO PROPOSED TAKING ON KIRILENKO IN THE FIRST PLACE. Come on man. The Nuggets FO has been doing and saying some seriously suspect things, sliding in last minute demands, changing up the terms, making threats. Why even drag the Knicks into the conversation when from all outward appearances it looks like New York has taken on an "it's on you Denver" approach? Doesn't make sense. New York is Melo's preferred destination anyway. If Denver was serious about doing a deal with the Knicks it would have been done already. They'd be compensated for a guy who's obviously on his way out and that would be that. Instead they're intent on dragging this whole thing out for whatever reason. The closer they get to the deadline, the more they risk potential suitors saying "F it" and shutting down talks leaving the Nuggets with nothing but a fat trade exception for Anthony come next summer. It simply does not add up. Trades are either happening, not happening or progressing towards one of the above. This much back-and-forth just stinks of BS posturing, and given that Denver hasn't been shy about conjuring up a BS trade in the past, why should we at all be surprised at them attempting to do the same again?

As far as Rose is concerned, for him it's all about his bottom line. He stands to lose a lot of money if Melo elects to roll the dice on free agency next summer. He wants Melo to take up an extension under the current CBA so he can get his cut. Why else would he be pushing for of all people, Richard Hamilton whom he also represents? Leon Rose probably no longer sees Melo in New York as a guaranteed thing anymore and so he's attempting to push Carmelo to take "the next best thing" in New Jersey (soon to be Brooklyn) with the promise that he'll get another one of the players he represents in CP3 there come Summer 2012.

For me it HAS to be one of the above scenarios. Either Denver is trying to get the Knicks to deal by posturing with New Jersey or Rose is attempting to get his client to New Jersey and Melo is having a hard time saying yes since he still has his mind set on New York. Never have I seen talks between two teams go through so many different variations (straight up deal, Utah and Charlotte, now Detroit) with absolutely nothing to show for it.

YouTube · Post #817 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:45 am

@ESPNVerrier Nuggets now asking Nets to find a taker for the Honda Accord sitting in Kroenke's driveway for the past three months. about 3 hours ago

BJ43 · Post #818 » by **BJ43** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:47 am

I hate the Knicks as much as if not more than anyone else, but I'm surprised the Knicks package (no homo) is being discussed as if it's trash in comparison to the Nets package (giggidy)

Not sure what players the Knicks have offered but Chandler & Fields are pretty good and that's hard for me to admit. I can understand if they arent interested in Gallinari, Douglas and Randolph though

kombayn · Post #819 » by **kombayn** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:51 am

I'm surprised the Bulls are not trying to get into this deal. They have the draft picks and a nice young player in Taj Gibson to possibly get this done. I don't know about expiring deals but Gibson, Charlotte's pick and a couple future Chicago 1st's would at least have me listening to the Bulls if I was the Nuggets. I don't think it would be hard for the Bulls to get a 3rd or 4th team involved since Luol Deng is a nice player on a little bit overpaid salary but in this NBA, he's probably making the right salary.

I would love to get the Clippers involved in this deal, I think the Nuggets would look at Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman & Minnesota's 1st Round Pick could land Carmelo Anthony and Arron Affalo in my eyes. I would do that deal as a Clipper.

bruddahmanmatt · Post #820 » by **bruddahmanmatt** » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:05 am

kombayn wrote:I'm surprised the Bulls are not trying to get into this deal. They have the draft picks and a nice young player in Taj Gibson to possibly get this done. I don't know about expiring deals but Gibson, Charlotte's pick and a couple future Chicago 1st's would at least have me listening to the Bulls if I was the Nuggets. I don't think it would be hard for the Bulls to get a 3rd or 4th team involved since Luol Deng is a nice player on a little bit overpaid salary but in this NBA, he's probably making the right salary.

I would love to get the Clippers involved in this deal, I think the Nuggets would look at Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman & Minnesota's 1st Round Pick could land Carmelo Anthony and Arron Affalo in my eyes. I would do that deal as a Clipper.

LOL. You'd be ok with the Clippers giving up Gordon to rent Melo for a year? Because I assure you that Anthony would not be looking to sign an extension to play for Sterling that's for damn sure. And no way you get Afflalo back, more like Denver forces you folks to take one or two of their big and/or bad contracts in Billups, Harrington or Andersen.