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Post#1 » by TR50 » Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:19 pm

Toronto Maple Leafs @ New York Rangers

Where? New York, Madison Square Garden
When: 7PM Saturday October 27th 2007
Who: Didn't Read the title did you?
TV Channel: CBC
Why: Because They Feel Like It

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After a convincing and rather surprising win by the Leafs over the Pens, they stroll in to the big Apple, facing off against a struggling NY team. They have pretty much struggled to score and their big money men are not helping at all.

The Leafs are trying to come in start a winning trend, get a good start on the road this year and try to establish some winning ways. With Bryan McCabe most likely out, we need not worry about a 3 second loss due to a blinded shot on our own net.

the key to the game for the leafs will be to simply defend, although the Rangers are struggling, they still are a very high powered machine that cannot be taken lightly, on paper we'd be raped. Goals should come naturally as we can score but defense is where we need to focus.

Key catalysts on the defensive ends are the goalies, the Leafs have gotten some good play out of Andrew Raycroft but Vesa Toskala has been doing well between th pipes, bringin a calm and cool presence stopping shots that used to be goals. The Rangers themselves have a pretty good one themselves in Henrik Lundqvist, and finally not a backup....

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The New York Rangers are hoping that they're finally beginning to shake a frustrating offensive slump.

The league's lowest-scoring team looks to build on its first win in five games Saturday when New York hosts the Toronto Maple Leafs.

The Rangers (3-5-1) have managed an NHL-low 15 goals this season and have scored one or no goals in five of their nine games, including consecutive 1-0 defeats to close out an 0-2-1 road trip Tuesday.

However, New York returned home on Thursday and got two goals from Nigel Dawes in a 2-0 win over New Jersey. Henrik Lundqvist, who has started each of the Rangers' games, stopped 22 shots in his second shutout in three contests.

Lundqvist also earned a shutout last Saturday in a shootout loss at Boston and anchors a defense that has allowed just 17 goals, tied for the fewest in the league. He has gone 99 minutes, 16 seconds without allowing a goal.

"I like the way the team is playing right now," he said. "We just have to score a little bit more.

"I know we might not score that much, so I have to keep focused and play a very good game to get the win."

Dawes' first goal just 57 seconds into the game snapped the Rangers' scoreless drought at 126 minutes, dating to a 5-3 loss at Atlanta on Oct. 18. It was also their first tally at even strength in 182:06, stretching to a 3-1 home loss against Ottawa on Oct. 13.

The Rangers, though, don't want to rely on Dawes for all of their offense - he was playing in just his 12th game and had just one career goal coming in.

"He's a good player," coach Tom Renney told the Rangers' official Web site. "He's got a quick release when he goes to the net, and he's got enough confidence to shoot the puck."

Dawes did a good job helping to make up for the absence of injured forwards Martin Straka, Sean Avery, and Ryan Callahan. The Rangers, who were opening a six-game homestand, were even forced to move defenseman Jason Strudwick up to the fourth line against the Devils.

The Rangers could have a good chance at improving their offensive numbers against the Maple Leafs (4-4-3), who are allowing 3.91 goals per game. However, Lundqvist will be tested by an offense that is scoring 3.67 per contest.

Toronto is coming off Thursday's 5-2 win over Pittsburgh. Jiri Tlusty, called up a day earlier, scored two goals 35 seconds apart in the third period in his first NHL game.

"The NHL was my dream, now I've played in my first game, and in my first game I scored my first two goals," said the 19-year-old Tlusty. "It's great."

The Maple Leafs have also struggled with injuries to their forwards, as both Darcy Tucker (knee) and Kyle Wellwood (groin) are both out indefinitely.

Toronto had been outscored 17-9 in the third period coming into Thursday's game, but Tomas Kaberle and Boyd Devereaux scored just 33 seconds apart later in the period.

"We had some fun, they were talking to each other and there was no tension," Toronto coach Paul Maurice said. "I was happy for them. They've been tight for a while and that was a great breakthrough."

Updated on Friday, Oct 26, 2007 6:44 pm, EDT

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Team Comparison
Team G W L OTL Pts Standings GF GA Home/Road
Toronto 11 4 4 3 11 4th, Northeast 42 44 1-1-1 Road
NY Rangers 9 3 5 1 7 4th, Atlantic 15 17 3-1-0 Home
Recent Injuries
Maple Leafs
McCabe, Bryan D, Tucker, Darcy RW, Colaiacovo, Carlo D

Rangers
Callahan, Ryan RW, Straka, Martin LW, Avery, Sean LW


May the inspired play of Nik Antropov, Mats Sundin, the minute promise of Jiri Tlusty and the rest of the Leafs lift them over a somewhat struggling Powerhouse of New York!

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Post#2 » by TR50 » Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:29 pm

Prediction:
5-3 Leafs

Optimistic :P
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Post#3 » by Andrea>Dirk » Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:51 pm

4-3 Leafs ;)
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Post#4 » by Crowned » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:45 am

3-1 right now, we're playing extremely well defensively (for a change).


John Pohl has played pretty well, and so has Deveraux.
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Post#5 » by emfive » Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:33 am

Crowned wrote:3-1 right now, we're playing extremely well defensively (for a change).


John Pohl has played pretty well, and so has Deveraux.


And getting NHL calibre goaltending also.
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Post#6 » by Tor-Rap-Tor » Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:35 am

Game over 4-1 Leafs...

Is there doubt that Toskala should not be the number 1 Goalie on the team, he stood on his head and was the difference in this game and too it seems Kubina is finding his niche...

I have been saying blow up the team and start from scratch but now I'm not so sure and with 5 front line players on the mend or on suspension Bell, Colaiacovo, Wellwood, Tucker and McCabe, my God if they can come in and play the system, I now see we may become a very tough club to play against, Keep going in this direction and we can beat anyone...

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Post#7 » by risktaker91 » Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:00 am

Tor-Rap-Tor wrote:Game over 4-1 Leafs...

Is there doubt that Toskala should not be the number 1 Goalie on the team, he stood on his head and was the difference in this game and too it seems Kubina is finding his niche...

I have been saying blow up the team and start from scratch but now I'm not so sure and with 5 front line players on the mend or on suspension Bell, Colaiacovo, Wellwood, Tucker and McCabe, my God if they can come in and play the system, I now see we may become a very tough club to play against, Keep going in this direction and we can beat anyone...

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Agreed. 4-1 against a powerhouse like the Rangers while missing a lot of key players. This team is looking good. Hopefully the stay consistent.
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Post#8 » by TR50 » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:57 am

^^ keyword, consistent
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Post#9 » by whysoserious » Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:06 pm

Tor-Rap-Tor wrote:Game over 4-1 Leafs...

Is there doubt that Toskala should not be the number 1 Goalie on the team, he stood on his head and was the difference in this game and too it seems Kubina is finding his niche...

I have been saying blow up the team and start from scratch but now I'm not so sure and with 5 front line players on the mend or on suspension Bell, Colaiacovo, Wellwood, Tucker and McCabe, my God if they can come in and play the system, I now see we may become a very tough club to play against, Keep going in this direction and we can beat anyone...

Go Leafs Go


As nice as the last two wins have been. Don't be fooled, this team playing like this could be a good team. But is still nowhere near being an elite team and has a lot of aging guys taking up a large portion of the cap for a long time.

The need to blow it up remains. All this stuff does is prolong the inevitable longer and only hurts this organization long-term.

The need for a rebuild remains.
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Post#10 » by emfive » Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:57 pm

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As nice as the last two wins have been. Don't be fooled, this team playing like this could be a good team. But is still nowhere near being an elite team and has a lot of aging guys taking up a large portion of the cap for a long time.

The need to blow it up remains. All this stuff does is prolong the inevitable longer and only hurts this organization long-term.

The need for a rebuild remains.


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Post#11 » by Tor-Rap-Tor » Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:00 pm

vc_dunkchamp wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
As nice as the last two wins have been. Don't be fooled, this team playing like this could be a good team. But is still nowhere near being an elite team and has a lot of aging guys taking up a large portion of the cap for a long time.

The need to blow it up remains. All this stuff does is prolong the inevitable longer and only hurts this organization long-term.

The need for a rebuild remains.


Truthfully I'm still torn and would like to see an infusion of good young talent but every team needs a balance of older experienced players, to school younger players, on positioning and any number of things, like tempo and consistent play or to not get down, when your down a goal or two and to work within a system...

In today's NHL, with cap restrictions, it's a two way sword, to get good players you have to pay fairly big bucks and this escalates every year and makes them difficult to trade later on but these players should be to fill holes and eventually they should be replaced hopefully from within by your young drafted players but this too can be a problem, it means should you draft for position or take the best talent available, this leaves gaps in your roster to have too many D or too many Centers or Wingers and not enough of one or the other, this leads to acquiring FA's or trades for established players and the cycle goes on...

To lose consistently, so you can choose 1-5 in the draft for a few years, like many of the good young teams ie: Pittsburgh, Washington or even Buffalo, just isn't on in Toronto, we want a winner every year and won't stand for losing in that manner, look at the uproar a few bad games have caused already...

What I'm trying to say here is to not blow up the team but to strategically replace players either from trade or free agency or ideally from within, with an eye to getting younger and more talented and now I say keep our draft choices and deal a few unwanted players to garner other young players or more draft choices...

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Post#12 » by emfive » Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:11 pm

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Truthfully I'm still torn and would like to see an infusion of good young talent but every team needs a balance of older experienced players, to school younger players, on positioning and any number of things, like tempo and consistent play or to not get down, when your down a goal or two and to work within a system...

In today's NHL, with cap restrictions, it's a two way sword, to get good players you have to pay fairly big bucks and this escalates every year and makes them difficult to trade later on but these players should be to fill holes and eventually they should be replaced hopefully from within by your young drafted players but this too can be a problem, it means should you draft for position or take the best talent available, this leaves gaps in your roster to have too many D or too many Centers or Wingers and not enough of one or the other, this leads to acquiring FA's or trades for established players and the cycle goes on...

To lose consistently, so you can choose 1-5 in the draft for a few years, like many of the good young teams ie: Pittsburgh, Washington or even Buffalo, just isn't on in Toronto, we want a winner every year and won't stand for losing in that manner, look at the uproar a few bad games have caused already...

What I'm trying to say here is to not blow up the team but to strategically replace players either from trade or free agency or ideally from within, with an eye to getting younger and more talented and now I say keep our draft choices and deal a few unwanted players to garner other young players or more draft choices...

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Agreed on all counts. You put it so much better than I did. I get the feeling (or perhaps hope) that this is the direction the team is currently taking and will continue to take. They still have a few contracts I would rather not see on the team but finding takers (with attractive offers) would be very difficult indeed. Patience (a virtue which most Leaf fans, at least, seem to have in abundance) is the key.
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Post#13 » by whysoserious » Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:21 pm

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Said like the true Leafs fan who never spent a cent on tickets.


First who can afford Leaf tix these days.

Second, spending money on them doesn't change the fact that the point remains true.

I've grown up a Leafs fan. I like the way they've played the last two games. But I still don't see this team as being an elite, cup contending team. I see no point in missing the playoffs for the last two year's and fighting just to get in when we really don't have a legit shot at winning. All this while we're tied in to long-term contracts on aging player's that are very hard to move right now.

I'm glad to see guys like Tlusty coming in and having an impact on the team. But I still don't see that young core of talent that can be called the future of this organization and hopefully carry this team to a Cup.
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Post#14 » by whysoserious » Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:26 pm

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Truthfully I'm still torn and would like to see an infusion of good young talent but every team needs a balance of older experienced players, to school younger players, on positioning and any number of things, like tempo and consistent play or to not get down, when your down a goal or two and to work within a system...

In today's NHL, with cap restrictions, it's a two way sword, to get good players you have to pay fairly big bucks and this escalates every year and makes them difficult to trade later on but these players should be to fill holes and eventually they should be replaced hopefully from within by your young drafted players but this too can be a problem, it means should you draft for position or take the best talent available, this leaves gaps in your roster to have too many D or too many Centers or Wingers and not enough of one or the other, this leads to acquiring FA's or trades for established players and the cycle goes on...

To lose consistently, so you can choose 1-5 in the draft for a few years, like many of the good young teams ie: Pittsburgh, Washington or even Buffalo, just isn't on in Toronto, we want a winner every year and won't stand for losing in that manner, look at the uproar a few bad games have caused already...

What I'm trying to say here is to not blow up the team but to strategically replace players either from trade or free agency or ideally from within, with an eye to getting younger and more talented and now I say keep our draft choices and deal a few unwanted players to garner other young players or more draft choices...

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I hear this argument all the time and just don't buy it. The reason there is more of an uproar is because we keep going out and spending big bucks on guys like Blake and signing our guys to big contracts and yet the team continues to play poorly. That is where the uproar comes from. If it was a full on rebuild, fans would know that going in to the season or a couple.

Plus, you don't have to be horrible and get top 5 picks to rebuild. Look what Philly was able to do in one season.

And I agree that you need veterans, but when they're overpaid to an extent, can't be moved and are here for a long period of time, how do you find room for the young guys. Tlusty is only getting a chance because of injuries and such. Otherwise we'd be watching Bell and Tucker and the likes continue to take up roster spots instead of giving these young guys a chance to play big minutes and crucial minutes.

The last paragraph is key, maybe not a full on rebuild like I stated but atleast a shift away from just trying to squeeze in and continue to play all these guys heavy minutes and take away from the young guys minutes.
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Post#15 » by Tor-Rap-Tor » Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:08 pm

vc_dunkchamp wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I hear this argument all the time and just don't buy it. The reason there is more of an uproar is because we keep going out and spending big bucks on guys like Blake and signing our guys to big contracts and yet the team continues to play poorly. That is where the uproar comes from. If it was a full on rebuild, fans would know that going in to the season or a couple.

Plus, you don't have to be horrible and get top 5 picks to rebuild. Look what Philly was able to do in one season.

And I agree that you need veterans, but when they're overpaid to an extent, can't be moved and are here for a long period of time, how do you find room for the young guys. Tlusty is only getting a chance because of injuries and such. Otherwise we'd be watching Bell and Tucker and the likes continue to take up roster spots instead of giving these young guys a chance to play big minutes and crucial minutes.

The last paragraph is key, maybe not a full on rebuild like I stated but atleast a shift away from just trying to squeeze in and continue to play all these guys heavy minutes and take away from the young guys minutes.


I can't totally disagree with you, as I said I'm torn because high contracts that are paid in free agency are getting crazy and should be for the short term, to be replaced by your Drafted players, however you should try to compete every year for a goal (The Stanley Cup)...

The young players should replace the older players but someone like Tlusty even though he scored 2 goals, he can get more playing time in the AHL, after all he is only 19 and should be looked at as a great prospect to be called in as a replacement or next year as a fixture when some players are shown the door...
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Post#16 » by Crowned » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:37 pm

I keep hearing about what Philly did in one season. What'd they do?

They traded Forsberg, and tanked the rest of the season. They acquired a good draft pick, and signed players to large contracts the very next offseason.

Philly already had a good set of youth, they did not exactly go out and "rebuild".
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Post#17 » by emfive » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:17 am

Ducks Cup as another example?
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Post#18 » by emfive » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:20 am

San Jose Sharks?
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Post#19 » by whysoserious » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:13 am

Crowned wrote:I keep hearing about what Philly did in one season. What'd they do?

They traded Forsberg, and tanked the rest of the season. They acquired a good draft pick, and signed players to large contracts the very next offseason.

Philly already had a good set of youth, they did not exactly go out and "rebuild".


They traded Forsberg which you mentioned for Upshall, Parent, a 1st and 3rd round pick.

Acquired Coburn for Zhitnik.

Acquired Biron for a second round pick ( a lot less than what we gave up for Toskala ).

They made a nice move to get Timonen and Hartnell.

They used the capspace gained and went after Briere.

Sure they already had some good young players already on the team, but they basically cut loose the dead weight and made some nice moves like the Biron acquisition.

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