[Camelo Thread Part 8] - NJ Gets Threats From Denver!

[nykfan70]

I don't know what part of not gutting the roster, people don't understand. We either get him on a discount or via free agency or he is not coming. We are simply not going to bid against NJ. End of story.

I agree, no need to blow it up, we seem to be in a good spot, no need to make any hasty decisions when it comes to the Melo situation.

[Perdido/BR]

I don't know what part of not gutting the roster, people don't understand. We either get him on a discount or via free agency or he is not coming. We are simply not going to bid against NJ. End of story.

This.

If it was a legit center, or a great defensive player, then you get into it. But, the way things are right now, Melo is only worth it (to us) if he comes cheaply, or for free. Otherwise, I´d still prefer to use the money to address our actual needs.

[Perdido/BR]

I´m sure Walsh has already made it known to Melo that we won´t gut the roster for him. He should hang in there, NOT sign the extension, and come to a much better team when the season is over.

If he accepts to sign the extension with the Nets, then F... him. Good luck with that team. We´ll use our money elsewhere (man, I LOVE having capspace)

[BLACKFEET 2010]

What about Moz and Turiaf?
Isn't it essential that we move one or both if we are to acquire Melo this summer?
Do I have this wrong?

[knicks742]

What about Moz and Turiaf?
Isn't it essential that we move one or both if we are to acquire Melo this summer?
Do I have this wrong?

Check out the salary cap thread but yes, we would need to clear some more cap room to get him. Doesn't necessarily mean it would be both of those guys though.

[god shammgod]

I don't know what part of not gutting the roster, people don't understand. We either get him on a discount or via free agency or he is not coming. We are simply not going to bid against NJ. End of story.

yep. which is why i think we should go the route of taking al back. seems nobody wants to do this but it really wouldn't be a problem for us.

[knicks742]

I don't know what part of not gutting the roster, people don't understand. We either get him on a discount or via free agency or he is not coming. We are simply not going to bid against NJ. End of story.

yep. which is why i think we should go the route of taking al back. seems nobody wants to do this but it really wouldn't be a problem for us.

I have no problem with it and throwing them another $3 million if I can keep two of Fields, Chandler and Gallo (and also keep Mozgov).

[BLACKFEET 2010]

What about Moz and Turiaf?
Isn't it essential that we move one or both if we are to acquire Melo this summer?
Do I have this wrong?

Check out the salary cap thread but yes, we would need to clear some more cap room to get him. Doesn't necessarily mean it would be both of those guys though.

Ok, I'll peep it but let's remember the price to move a productive Jeffries when the plan was known by the rest of the league. Would we move Gallo with Turiaf for pennies on the dollar ala Beasley to Minnie?
And I also wanna now how many years is Moz guaranteed? That has never been clear. But I will check the cap thread.

[truth serum]

I don't know what part of not gutting the roster, people don't understand. We either get him on a discount or via free agency or he is not coming. We are simply not going to bid against NJ. End of story.

Yezzzziiirrrrr

[delvec19]

The Nuggets have again "applied brakes" to serious trade talks and are trying to show people they won't be rushed into a Carmelo Anthony trade, sources tell ESPN.com.
The Nuggets angered the other teams involved in the trade by insisting at the last minute that Al Harrington be included in the deal. That required the recruitment of a fourth team, something that has been unsuccessful so far. On the bright side for the Nets, sources tell ESPN they are convinced Anthony will sign a three-year, $65 million extension with them if a trade can be agreed upon. The Nets have laid out a plan to Anthony that involves Chris Paul joining him in the summer of 2012. The bottom line is that the Nets can still offer the Nuggets the best package, but a deal of this magnitude is going to take some time. Jan. 11 - 11:29 am et

[GONYK]

The Nuggets have again "applied brakes" to serious trade talks and are trying to show people they won't be rushed into a Carmelo Anthony trade, sources tell ESPN.com.
The Nuggets angered the other teams involved in the trade by insisting at the last minute that Al Harrington be included in the deal. That required the recruitment of a fourth team, something that has been unsuccessful so far. On the bright side for the Nets, sources tell ESPN they are convinced Anthony will sign a three-year, $65 million extension with them if a trade can be agreed upon. The Nets have laid out a plan to Anthony that involves Chris Paul joining him in the summer of 2012. The bottom line is that the Nets can still offer the Nuggets the best package, but a deal of this magnitude is going to take some time. Jan. 11 - 11:29 am et

Question: How is that not blatantly tampering?

[cgmw]

In NJN-DEN-DET trade DEN saves around 12 mil in salaries and 12 mio in luxury tax. They send out around 34 mil in contracts, incoming around 22 mil. That is why Billups is in the trade, for savings.

So 24 mil savings.

Let say that NY takes Melo+Harrington+Balkman+2 small contracts. That is around 26 mil going out. For trade to work they must take in at least 20 mil. So there is only 6,5 mil savings for Den, plus 6,5 mil in luxury tax.

So only 13 mil savings...

Like this trade:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4nmnt2p

Curry,Azubuike,Mason,Gallinari,Fields, uta 2011 pick, ny 2014 pick
FOR
Anthony,Harrington,Balkman, Carter, Ely

....but Curry contact is 50% payed on the other hand there is trade kicker, Azubuike 80%. So additional savings would be around 2 mil on Curry and 2,5 mil on Azubuike. Lets say max 5 mil best case scenario.

So that is 18 mil savings.

Now where to get them additional savings. Here MIN comes in. Being under the cap they can take contract in but NY has to give them AR.
So they should be included in a trade and the trade expand to this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=5rpmet6

MIN AR,Walker,JR Smith, 3 mil form NY
NY Telfair, Uta 2011 first
DEN /

Here Den saves additional 6,7 mil on Smith salary and 6,7 in luxury tax.

Now final DEN saving in NY trade are around 31 mil.

So comparing NJN and NY deal it looks like this:

Savings:
- 31 mil NY deal Vs. 24 mil NJN deal
Players:
- Gallinari, Field,Walker Vs. Favors,Morrow,Harris
Picks:
- NY 2013, UTA 2011 Vs. best case NJN 2011 lottery, GSW lottery

Still NJN has a better package because of picks and Harris that will be traded for another prospect. It is close, but...

The only worthwhile post I've seen in nearly 300 pages. I agree that Walsh would have to give up Fields to get Melo before the deadline.

Is it wrong that I'd rather have Landry than Carmelo?

[hatnlvr]

The Nuggets have again "applied brakes" to serious trade talks and are trying to show people they won't be rushed into a Carmelo Anthony trade, sources tell ESPN.com.
The Nuggets angered the other teams involved in the trade by insisting at the last minute that Al Harrington be included in the deal. That required the recruitment of a fourth team, something that has been unsuccessful so far. On the bright side for the Nets, sources tell ESPN they are convinced Anthony will sign a three-year, $65 million extension with them if a trade can be agreed upon. The Nets have laid out a plan to Anthony that involves Chris Paul joining him in the summer of 2012. The bottom line is that the Nets can still offer the Nuggets the best package, but a deal of this magnitude is going to take some time. Jan. 11 - 11:29 am et

And how exactly are they going to land CP3??? I'm calling BS on all the rumors! Until something happens, nothing is happening.

[bklynstoops]

man, these Denver guys are blowing a whole lot of smoke and expending a whole lot of energy on theatrics before they come to Donnie, huh?

[AllanHoustonFan]

The Nuggets have again "applied brakes" to serious trade talks and are trying to show people they won't be rushed into a Carmelo Anthony trade, sources tell ESPN.com.
The Nuggets angered the other teams involved in the trade by insisting at the last minute that Al Harrington be included in the deal. That required the recruitment of a fourth team, something that has been unsuccessful so far. On the bright side for the Nets, sources tell ESPN they are convinced Anthony will sign a three-year, $65 million extension with them if a trade can be agreed upon. The Nets have laid out a plan to Anthony that involves Chris Paul joining him in the summer of 2012. The bottom line is that the Nets can still offer the Nuggets the best package, but a deal of this magnitude is going to take some time. Jan. 11 - 11:29 am et

LInk?

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

I´m sure Walsh has already made it known to Melo that we won´t gut the roster for him. He should hang in there, NOT sign the extension, and come to a much better team when the season is over.

If he accepts to sign the extension with the Nets, then F... him. Good luck with that team. We´ll use our money elsewhere (man, I LOVE having capspace)

This.

If Melo would rather sign his extension now with New Jersey, then go ahead and let him. That's a 10-win team right now, and replacing Harris with Billups and adding him and Rip isn't going to turn them into a contender. They won't have enough cap room this off-season to improve the team much. And they won't have enough assets left to trade for Paul, so would have to hope to get him as a free agent in 2012, which would still be difficult. So Melo would be throwing away the next season and a half at least.

[GONYK]

How is NJ promising CP3 not tampering?

[aggo]

seriously ppl should be very very worried about njn

cp3-melo-lopez

[I_Love_NYK]

seriously ppl should be very very worried about njn

cp3-melo-lopez

Brook Lopez is a 7'0 center that only averages 6 rpg. And with NJ going to be forced to take Al Harrington's contract they can't sign CP3.

[K_ick_God]

seriously ppl should be very very worried about njn

cp3-melo-lopez

They can't keep Lopez and still have cap room for CP3.