[Camelo Thread Part 8] - NJ Gets Threats From Denver!

[knicks9784]

Rip's contract is not full guaranteed in 2012-2013. I believe only 25-40% of it is. He'll probably be bought out by that time. Cap will probably be at least $60mil by then. Yes they can sign CP3 and Lopez.

Wrong. Rip's contract is $9M guaranteed in 12-13.

so no paul

its Rip Hamilton or bust for Melo lol

[MarJJMar]

The Knicks shouldn't even try to get Melo.

Seiously, Amare+Melo is not a good combo. Melo will take touches away from area and likes to score in areas Amare likes to play as well.

Besides you are already set at all positions except center. There is no need to add Melo really. Felton, Fields, Chandler and Amare thats 4 starters right there better get a center because you won't win a thing with gimmick small ball lineups in the long run.

are we trying to be competitive for the next 4 years or win a championship?

the team right now, even with a center added is not a championship caliber team. you win a championship with 2+stars. we have one.

Seems to me that Felton would qualify as a star this season and Chandler and Fields can also grow into stars.

Even if so Melo isn't the right player to add to the mix.

Name one superstar+superstar combo that would be worse than Amare+Melo, you can't if you are neutral. Well maybe a PG+PG combination like Paul and Williams but that would still be a close call.

[K_ick_God]

I've often said that the biggest sign of a decline is when a player starts getting his shot blocked. It was the first signs that Marbury was deteriorating, and fast.

RobMahoney
RT @statcenter: Nobody has had their shot blocked more than Carmelo: 2 shots blocked/gm. 10.3% of his FGA get blocked, up from 7.3% last yr

[Staruk]

Maybe it's just me but I'm so take it or leave it on Melo...we aren't desperate like we've been in years past, probably why I'm so ambivalent.

[Pharmcat]

I've often said that the biggest sign of a decline is when a player starts getting his shot blocked. It was the first signs that Marbury was deteriorating, and fast.

RobMahoney
RT @statcenter: Nobody has had their shot blocked more than Carmelo: 2 shots blocked/gm. 10.3% of his FGA get blocked, up from 7.3% last yr

are you really trying to insinuate melo is on the decline?

[K_ick_God]

quick question on the Hamilton part of the deal. How exactly do buyouts work? Can a team buy out any player or does it only work when the players salary is partially guarunteed?

A player can agree to any buyout. But that's Rip's last paycheck perhaps. Or at least his last big one. He's not taking less than $9M in 12-13.

[knicks9784]

The Knicks shouldn't even try to get Melo.

Seiously, Amare+Melo is not a good combo. Melo will take touches away from area and likes to score in areas Amare likes to play as well.

Besides you are already set at all positions except center. There is no need to add Melo really. Felton, Fields, Chandler and Amare thats 4 starters right there better get a center because you won't win a thing with gimmick small ball lineups in the long run.

are we trying to be competitive for the next 4 years or win a championship?

the team right now, even with a center added is not a championship caliber team. you win a championship with 2+stars. we have one.

Seems to me that Felton would qualify as a star this season and Chandler and Fields can also grow into stars.

Even if so Melo isn't the right player to add to the mix.

Name one superstar+superstar combo that would be worse than Amare+Melo, you can't if you are neutral. Well maybe a PG+PG combination like Paul and Williams but that would still be a close call.

i disagree on melo and amare not being a fit. i see it as similar to kg and pierce.

so you think felton / amare / right fit center can compete with bos/mia/orl/lal/sa???

[K_ick_God]

I've often said that the biggest sign of a decline is when a player starts getting his shot blocked. It was the first signs that Marbury was deteriorating, and fast.

RobMahoney
RT @statcenter: Nobody has had their shot blocked more than Carmelo: 2 shots blocked/gm. 10.3% of his FGA get blocked, up from 7.3% last yr

are you really trying to insinuate melo is on the decline?

Stat speaks for itself. Do you think it's a positive development that his blocks against are going up? That's a good thing to you?

[Pharmcat]

Maybe it's just me but I'm so take it or leave it on Melo...we aren't desperate like we've been in years past, probably why I'm so ambivalent.

it depends on one's goal

if one is happy to be middle of the road team, then keep status quo

if one wants to push being top 4 in east, then one needs melo to do so

[TheBluest]

Rip's contract is not full guaranteed in 2012-2013. I believe only 25-40% of it is. He'll probably be bought out by that time. Cap will probably be at least $60mil by then. Yes they can sign CP3 and Lopez.

but melo came to nj because of RIP lol

anyway im pretty sure pauls a free agent in 12, not 13

CP3's free agent year coincides with Rip's non guaranteed year. Now after looking up some things I appear to be somewhat close. Actually it's 25-40% is what's non guaranteed by a certain date comes to about $9mil Rip would receive........ from other threads discussed on RealGM but fully unguaranteed if waived on or before August 15th, which couples Shamsports website on his contract.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I've often said that the biggest sign of a decline is when a player starts getting his shot blocked. It was the first signs that Marbury was deteriorating, and fast.

RobMahoney
RT @statcenter: Nobody has had their shot blocked more than Carmelo: 2 shots blocked/gm. 10.3% of his FGA get blocked, up from 7.3% last yr

He's not declining...he's 25/26?

His shot gets blocked because he attacks the rim more than any other player in the NBA (or at the VERY VERY top)...he also gets no calls when he gets to the paint.

[knicks9784]

quick question on the Hamilton part of the deal. How exactly do buyouts work? Can a team buy out any player or does it only work when the players salary is partially guarunteed?

A player can agree to any buyout. But that's Rip's last paycheck perhaps. Or at least his last big one. He's not taking less than $9M in 12-13.

even with a buy out, i think it only saves the team actual money, the amount towards the cap is the amount of the contract regardless. so you cant save cap space by buying a player out.

[bklynstoops]

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6011337&campaign=rss&source=NEWYORKHeadlines

"Who wouldn't want to play in New York?" Anthony said. "I told you that last year. I think that's how all this stuff started, by me making that comment. New York is playing well right now. I don't think they're looking at me, they don't want me to come in here and mess what they have up. That's what I've read."

That was the most interesting part to me. Why is Melo saying that he doesn't think New York is trying to get him?

i believe that's his desperate way of saying, Donnie, give them the farm and get a deal done, or I will consider signing with NJ. Everyone's playing poker.

[aggo]

said it before a thousand times and saying it again. he's not going to sacrifice 2+ seasons of his prime, to sit in Newark with a god awful team, when he could go to New York City now, today, and play with a far better team, an MVP and his friend Amar'e. it aint happening.

See this is what I think Melo meant when he said

(a) he doesnt think a deal is happening soon
(b) he wants to wait until he has a meeting with masai and ujiri

I honestly think Melo is down for signing in NJ, but only if that means that they'll still have the pieces to surround him and be a contending team. If Melo catches wind of a deal that wont allow NJN to get Paul or completely guts them, then Melo will say no to ujiri and masai.

If Melo was desperate to jump ship and get that $$s he already wouldve demanded a trade.

Instead, he wants to see all the offers on teh table for him to get his extension AND win.

He wants both imo.

And at the end, i think thats why hes kept saying he wants to wait and meet with the nuggets (he said it over the summer too) and why he wants his options open.

[K_ick_God]

Rip's contract is not full guaranteed in 2012-2013. I believe only 25-40% of it is. He'll probably be bought out by that time. Cap will probably be at least $60mil by then. Yes they can sign CP3 and Lopez.

but melo came to nj because of RIP lol

anyway im pretty sure pauls a free agent in 12, not 13

CP3's free agent year coincides with Rip's non guaranteed year. Now after looking up some things I appear to be somewhat close. Actually it's 25-40% is what's non guaranteed by a certain date comes to about $9mil Rip would receive........ from other threads discussed on RealGM but fully unguaranteed if waived on or before August 15th, which couples Shamsports website on his contract.

No. It's $9M guaranteed.

[cgmw]

The Knicks shouldn't even try to get Melo.

Seiously, Amare+Melo is not a good combo. Melo will take touches away from area and likes to score in areas Amare likes to play as well.

Besides you are already set at all positions except center. There is no need to add Melo really. Felton, Fields, Chandler and Amare thats 4 starters right there better get a center because you won't win a thing with gimmick small ball lineups in the long run.

are we trying to be competitive for the next 4 years or win a championship?

the team right now, even with a center added is not a championship caliber team. you win a championship with 2+stars. we have one.

Ugh. I hate this line of thinking. The "right now" mentality has lost teams way more championships than it's ever won. I'm not saying you pass up an opportunity to get a top 10 talent like Carmelo. I am saying the best way to win is by finding and developing talent. Maybe not "right now," but the Felton-Fields-Chandler-Gallo core has a hell of a lot of value moving forward.

[aggo]

Rip's contract is not full guaranteed in 2012-2013. I believe only 25-40% of it is. He'll probably be bought out by that time. Cap will probably be at least $60mil by then. Yes they can sign CP3 and Lopez.

but melo came to nj because of RIP lol

anyway im pretty sure pauls a free agent in 12, not 13

CP3's free agent year coincides with Rip's non guaranteed year. Now after looking up some things I appear to be somewhat close. Actually it's 25-40% is what's non guaranteed by a certain date comes to about $9mil Rip would receive........ from other threads discussed on RealGM but fully unguaranteed if waived on or before August 15th, which couples Shamsports website on his contract.

even if it's 9million and they buy out RIP wouldnt they still have a cap hold of a value over 9 million on him?

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6011337&campaign=rss&source=NEWYORKHeadlines

"Who wouldn't want to play in New York?" Anthony said. "I told you that last year. I think that's how all this stuff started, by me making that comment. New York is playing well right now. I don't think they're looking at me, they don't want me to come in here and mess what they have up. That's what I've read."

That was the most interesting part to me. Why is Melo saying that he doesn't think New York is trying to get him?

i believe that's his desperate way of saying, Donnie, give them the farm and get a deal done, or I will consider signing with NJ. Everyone's playing poker.

Yeah, I agree. Either he's trying to get NY to offer more, or is setting himself up for a "the Knicks didn't want me, so I went with the Nets" to help the PR hit that he'll probably take if he agrees to an extension with New Jersey.

[AllanHoustonFan]

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by HowardBeckNYT
Pretty telling Avery quote and take it for what it's worth. "This the team that will be playing on the whole road trip."

[MarJJMar]

i disagree on melo and amare not being a fit. i see it as similar to kg and pierce.

so you think felton / amare / right fit center can compete with bos/mia/orl/lal/sa???

I don't see the KG+Pierce comparison at all.

Those 2 guys for one thing are both excellent defenders and vastly different players offensively.

Amare and Melo are both average defenders at best, both like the ball in their hands a lot offensively. Melo more so than Amare, both like to score from the same areas on the court. Melo is not a good shooter, won't stretch the defense for Amare.

I think they are a terrible terrible combination.

I definately give the Knicks more of a chance with Felton, Field, Chandler, Amare and a above average center than Amare/Melo and whatever is left after trading for Melo.