[Camelo Thread Part 8] - NJ Gets Threats From Denver!

[knicks9784]

Rip's contract is not full guaranteed in 2012-2013. I believe only 25-40% of it is. He'll probably be bought out by that time. Cap will probably be at least $60mil by then. Yes they can sign CP3 and Lopez.

but melo came to nj because of RIP lol

anyway im pretty sure pauls a free agent in 12, not 13

CP3's free agent year coincides with Rip's non guaranteed year. Now after looking up some things I appear to be somewhat close. Actually it's 25-40% is what's non guaranteed by a certain date comes to about $9mil Rip would receive........ from other threads discussed on RealGM but fully unguaranteed if waived on or before August 15th, which couples Shamsports website on his contract.

paul can opt out after 11-12 a year before rip can come off the books...

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans.htm

[Knickplaya]

Fields is clearly better than Hamilton, RIGHT NOW. If any of you watched a lot of the Laker game, Fields was SHUTTING down Kobe, for the most part.

[god shammgod]

even if it's 9million and they buy out RIP wouldnt they still have a cap hold of a value over 9 million on him?

either way there isn't enough for cp3

[Pharmcat]

are you really trying to insinuate melo is on the decline?

Stat speaks for itself. Do you think it's a positive development that his blocks against are going up? That's a good thing to you?

its his style of play, factored in with him being sick for a period of time, missing games for various reasons, etc.

i just find it funny how people are trying to turn on him b/c of current news not rumored to be landing in ny

[knicks9784]

i disagree on melo and amare not being a fit. i see it as similar to kg and pierce.

so you think felton / amare / right fit center can compete with bos/mia/orl/lal/sa???

I don't see the KG+Pierce comparison at all.

Those 2 guys for one thing are both excellent defenders and vastly different players offensively.

Amare and Melo are both average defenders at best, both like the ball in their hands a lot offensively. Melo more so than Amare, both like to score from the same areas on the court. Melo is not a good shooter, won't stretch the defense for Amare.

I think they are a terrible terrible combination.

I definately give the Knicks more of a chance with Felton, Field, Chandler, Amare and a above average center than Amare/Melo and whatever is left after trading for Melo.

interesting take, you're right defensively they're not pierce / kg. still disagree with the overall team take though, i feel you need two legit scorers to even have a shot at a championship.

[cgmw]

i disagree on melo and amare not being a fit. i see it as similar to kg and pierce.

so you think felton / amare / right fit center can compete with bos/mia/orl/lal/sa???

I don't see the KG+Pierce comparison at all.

Those 2 guys for one thing are both excellent defenders and vastly different players offensively.

Amare and Melo are both average defenders at best, both like the ball in their hands a lot offensively. Melo more so than Amare, both like to score from the same areas on the court. Melo is not a good shooter, won't stretch the defense for Amare.

I think they are a terrible terrible combination.

I definately give the Knicks more of a chance with Felton, Field, Chandler, Amare and a above average center than Amare/Melo and whatever is left after trading for Melo.

My god, man. Must be nice up in your ivory tower with your measured logic. Down here the rest of us are blinded by superstars. No logic can supersede the premise that more superstars are better than fewer superstars.

[MSGLegendNY]

The Knicks shouldn't even try to get Melo.

Seiously, Amare+Melo is not a good combo. Melo will take touches away from area and likes to score in areas Amare likes to play as well.

Besides you are already set at all positions except center. There is no need to add Melo really. Felton, Fields, Chandler and Amare thats 4 starters right there better get a center because you won't win a thing with gimmick small ball lineups in the long run.

Even though it seems like we won't get Melo, don't act like Melo wouldn't have helped our team. He would of been another key piece for us getting closer to contend.

[TheBluest]

CP3's free agent year coincides with Rip's non guaranteed year. Now after looking up some things I appear to be somewhat close. Actually it's 25-40% is what's non guaranteed by a certain date comes to about $9mil Rip would receive........ from other threads discussed on RealGM but fully unguaranteed if waived on or before August 15th, which couples Shamsports website on his contract.

No. It's $9M guaranteed.

LOUD BUZZER WRONGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!! The only thing I was wrong about is I had the portion of guarantee inverted but you clearly didn't do enough research

http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/page/2/



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[Knickplaya]

I got to think Amare's leadership would make Melo play better D.

[delvec19]

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Melo and Billups practicing in Denver, Avery Johnson saying this Nets team will be together during entire four-game trip. And we go on.

[Gregory151]

I got to think Amare's leadership would make Melo play better D.

yea thats what ive been thinking all along.. hed naturally have to step up to the intensity amare brings

[cgmw]

The Knicks shouldn't even try to get Melo.

Seiously, Amare+Melo is not a good combo. Melo will take touches away from area and likes to score in areas Amare likes to play as well.

Besides you are already set at all positions except center. There is no need to add Melo really. Felton, Fields, Chandler and Amare thats 4 starters right there better get a center because you won't win a thing with gimmick small ball lineups in the long run.

This was my initial instinct last summer, but D'Antoni has changed my outlook. Putting two of the games top 5 scorers on the same D'Antoni offense would be something special. With the notable exception of the Lakers, nobody has stopped Amar'e this season. I don't care if you bring back vintage MJ in his prime, Amar'e i's the primary read in D'Antoni's system.

The reason Melo would work is because the D'Antoni system is vulnerable without a reliable second option. Right now, Felton is being asked to do more than he can truly handle. Chandler is explosive at times, but still unreliable. Gallo is developing, and Fields is not a true scorer.

To summarize: Carmelo is a great fit next to Amar'e in MIKE D'ANTONI's offense. Period.

[TheBluest]

paul can opt out after 11-12 a year before rip can come off the books...

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_orleans.htm

if he has an ETO which thus far I haven't seen yet. His Player Opt year is 2012-2013 the same year Rip has a potential unguaranteed year.

CP3 has until June 30 2012 to decide what he'll do with the Hornets if not sooner by demanding out or signing an extension anytime prior to.

[K_ick_God]

The Knicks shouldn't even try to get Melo.

Seiously, Amare+Melo is not a good combo. Melo will take touches away from area and likes to score in areas Amare likes to play as well.

Besides you are already set at all positions except center. There is no need to add Melo really. Felton, Fields, Chandler and Amare thats 4 starters right there better get a center because you won't win a thing with gimmick small ball lineups in the long run.

Even though it seems like we won't get Melo, don't act like Melo wouldn't have helped our team. He would of been another key piece for us getting closer to contend.

I wanted Melo but, and I said this from the get-go, this idea that he's even close to lebron is absurd. He's not even close.

And watching him more closely this year, his ups are very disappointing. He gets blocked because he attacks the rim AND because he doesn't have good lift. That's a concern. So is his volume shooting and poor 3-point %.

And having watched Amar'e more closely this year, for obvious reasons, I think this guy is correct that he and Melo operate in similar areas of the court and are similar type scorers: mid-range jumpers and attacking the glass.

Nothing wrong with pointing that out. Again, Melo is no lebron. Not even close.

To be fair, if I could flip a switch, I'd probably still flip it for Melo because of the star power that would go with having two prime scorers. But if the Knicks can add a center and still keep Chandler, I wouldn't be too confident saying that this path ... our next Plan B ... won't work better than the Melo path.

That's simply my point. Melo is not lebron and losing him, while keeping our depth of young talent, could turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

[Curryy]

DONNIEE!!!! Please wake up!!!

[AllanHoustonFan]

The Knicks shouldn't even try to get Melo.

Seiously, Amare+Melo is not a good combo. Melo will take touches away from area and likes to score in areas Amare likes to play as well.

Besides you are already set at all positions except center. There is no need to add Melo really. Felton, Fields, Chandler and Amare thats 4 starters right there better get a center because you won't win a thing with gimmick small ball lineups in the long run.

This was my initial instinct last summer, but D'Antoni has changed my outlook. Putting two of the games top 5 scorers on the same D'Antoni offense would be something special. With the notable exception of the Lakers, nobody has stopped Amar'e this season. I don't care if you bring back vintage MJ in his prime, Amar'e i's the primary read in D'Antoni's system.

The reason Melo would work is because the D'Antoni system is vulnerable without a reliable second option. Right now, Felton is being asked to do more than he can truly handle. Chandler is explosive at times, but still unreliable. Gallo is developing, and Fields is not a true scorer.

To summarize: Carmelo is a great fit next to Amar'e in MIKE D'ANTONI's offense. Period.

+1. If you are not going to play defense then you damn well better score and who better to have than Carmelo?

[K_ick_God]

LOUD BUZZER WRONGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!! The only thing I was wrong about is I had the portion of guarantee inverted but you clearly didn't do enough research

http://www.pistonpowered.com/2010/07/page/2/



Mathematically Possible

I have research that trumps your research. It's $9M guaranteed. And I guarantee the guarantee. You don't have to believe me. You can stay in ignorant bliss if you like. But you're wrong.

Sham's numbers are incorrect.

[knicknack]

Ok I thought about it. BYE LANDRY

If the Knicks are getting Melo it's not Bye Landry it's bye Wilson Chandler. As much as I don't want to see him go, Denver has made it clear they want talent back.

They also do not want to see Melo join a superteam. So that's why they want Al Harrington to NJ, to prevent NJ from picking up Chris Paul. The face of your franchise is leaving, of course Denver is being sour about it.

I would expect that the Knicks are not against taking Harrington back.

This +1, unfortunately

[Knickplaya]

Who is to even say Paul would choose NJ? Is it because he's best friends with Melo? I would have to believe with Amare, and supporting players like Fields, Chandler or Gallo we would have as much a shot at getting Paul as anybody.

[Johnny Hoops]

To the guy arguing that Amare/Melo games are too similar and they like ball in their hands and shoot from the same spots.

Isn't that what everyone said about Wade/Lebron?

If there is one thing I wouldn't worry about with Melo -- it's his ability to expand his range if the Knicks offense called for it. Improving your shooting and your range is the easiest thing for a player to improve as they get older.

You fail to take into consideration that the Knicks would have 2 of the top 5-7 scorers in basketball. That they'd have 2 of the very best at getting to the line late in games when it matters - that they would have 2 of the best one-one offensive players in the game.

If there are enough basketballs for KG, Pierce, Allen & Rondo and enough for Kobe, Gasol, Byum and Odom and enough for Howard, Arenas, Turkey-Glue, J-Richardson & Reddick. There are enough for Amare & Melo and the rest of our pieces.