ImageImageImage

Analyzing wins and losses

Moderators: Domejandro, Worm Guts, Calinks

cpfsf
General Manager
Posts: 8,834
And1: 1,126
Joined: Apr 10, 2008
Location: sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell
 

Analyzing wins and losses 

Post#1 » by cpfsf » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:03 pm

http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=134548

Image

Y Axis = Quantity
X Axis = Loss Deficit

All the credit here goes to memyworld of rubechat.
Image

sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell
C.lupus
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 30,827
And1: 8,857
Joined: Nov 02, 2007

Re: Analyzing wins and losses 

Post#2 » by C.lupus » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:41 pm

Thanks for sharing. Not to bash memyworld for his nice work but something about that graph is hard for me to read (and I read lots of graphs). I wonder if it would be more intuitive if the axes were switched? Anyway, as with most data analyses, it makes me want to delve in deeper. If only I had the time...
User avatar
Yes We Kahn
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,421
And1: 18
Joined: Jul 15, 2010

Re: Analyzing wins and losses 

Post#3 » by Yes We Kahn » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:52 am

I think that graph is a little misleading. It makes it look like a majority of their games are lost by more than 10 points. However, 18 have been by less than ten and 11 have been lost by more than ten. If you are going to have a data point for 1, 2, 3, etc... you might as well continue with that as you go past 10. I'd prefer 1-5 (10 losses), 6-10 (11 losses), 11-15 (1 loss), 15-20 (2 losses), then maybe >20 (5 losses) because they are getting to be big blowouts (23, 26, 31, 32, 42).

1 - 5 :: XXXXXXXXXX
6 - 10: XXXXXXXXXXX
11-15: X
16-20: XX
20 ++ : XXXXX*

*by 23 on 12/10
*26 on 11/7
*31 on 12/11
*32 on11/2
*42 on 11/3

Pardon the medieval nature of my graph. I don't know how to do the fancy web stuff.
I'm not trying to knock the guy for putting the graph together, I just think the purpose of a graph is to quickly tell a story, and this does a better job of that. The Wolves have lost a lot of games by 10 or less. Almost half of those have been by 5 or less. They have also been blown out a few times (particularly at the beginning of the year).
shrink
RealGM
Posts: 59,292
And1: 19,304
Joined: Sep 26, 2005

Re: Analyzing wins and losses 

Post#4 » by shrink » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:00 am

Yes We Kahn wrote:1 - 5 :: XXXXXXXXXX
6 - 10: XXXXXXXXXXX
11-15: X
16-20: XX
20 ++ : XXXXX*

*by 23 on 12/10
*26 on 11/7
*31 on 12/11
*32 on11/2
*42 on 11/3

Pardon the medieval nature of my graph.


I like it a lot. The main function of a graph is to give a representation of numerical data in a way that's easier to understand.

Would you mind putting out "wins" in .. maybe with O's instead of X's?

It shouldn't take long.
User avatar
Yes We Kahn
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,421
And1: 18
Joined: Jul 15, 2010

Re: Analyzing wins and losses 

Post#5 » by Yes We Kahn » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:11 am

shrink wrote:I like it a lot. The main function of a graph is to give a representation of numerical data in a way that's easier to understand.

Would you mind putting out "wins" in .. maybe with O's instead of X's?

It shouldn't take long.

With only 9 wins, not long at all. Is this what you were thinking? If I knew how to upload a graph from microsoft excel, I could put them on the same graph and make it look way better.

1 - 5 :: XXXXXXXXXX
6 - 10: XXXXXXXXXXX
11-15: X
16-20: XX
20 ++ : XXXXX*

*by 23 on 12/10
*26 on 11/7
*31 on 12/11
*32 on11/2
*42 on 11/3

1 - 5 :: OO
6 - 10: OOO
11-15: OOO
16-20:
20 ++ : O*

*by 34 on 12/4
User avatar
Esohny
RealGM
Posts: 11,613
And1: 339
Joined: Apr 18, 2009
Location: Saint Paul
     

Re: Analyzing wins and losses 

Post#6 » by Esohny » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:43 am

It would also help if the x-axis wasn't an absolute value.
SMAC-K wrote:Mayo>>>>Love and that 5th pick
OJ Mayo is one of the best defenders in the league, hes a two way player and hes a great passer and playmaker.
User avatar
King Rube
Sophomore
Posts: 120
And1: 7
Joined: Nov 11, 2010

Re: Analyzing wins and losses 

Post#7 » by King Rube » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:52 am

We are getting better, aren't we.
Steve_Holiday
Pro Prospect
Posts: 798
And1: 51
Joined: Jan 02, 2004
Location: TIB (This Is Bloomtown)

Re: Analyzing wins and losses 

Post#8 » by Steve_Holiday » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:11 am

the colors in the original graph were good.
cpfsf
General Manager
Posts: 8,834
And1: 1,126
Joined: Apr 10, 2008
Location: sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell
 

Re: Analyzing wins and losses 

Post#9 » by cpfsf » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:19 am

King Rube wrote:We are getting better, aren't we.


This doesn't really say much, but HeHateMe stated that Minnesota didn't win 9 games until January 18.

Edit: I don't even know why I posted this.
Image

sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell sam mitchell
User avatar
Yes We Kahn
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,421
And1: 18
Joined: Jul 15, 2010

Re: Analyzing wins and losses 

Post#10 » by Yes We Kahn » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:21 am

Steve_Holiday wrote:the colors in the original graph were good.

You mean to say you don't like the colors in mine?
the_bruce
Analyst
Posts: 3,536
And1: 57
Joined: Jun 01, 2007

Re: Analyzing wins and losses 

Post#11 » by the_bruce » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:12 pm

I think a better representation is +/- with under 5 minutes in the 4th quarter. Several of those 10 pt loses came from playing the foul game when the game was well within reach at the end of the 4th.

Return to Minnesota Timberwolves