Thrashers rumoured to want Kaberle

Griff83 · Post #1 » by **Griff83** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:40 am

lots of rumours flying around right now that the Atlanta Thrashers want to trade for Kaberle and possibly could move Hossa as he apparently isnt happy in ATL. Alot of fans of the Leafs over at HF boards didnt like this move thinking we'd be losing our best defencemen of our already weak defence corps. I see it as a deal you have to make if on the table when you consider that Hossa is a 100pt franchise player just entering his prime and would be that player that could take the torch once mats decides to hang them up.

How would you feel if ATL offered up Hossa for Kaberle?

TR50 · Post #2 » by **TR50** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:40 am

def. you cannot pass up the 100pt hossa for kaberle, kaberle may be good but hossa is elite..imagine a hossa, sundn line

jalenrose#5 · Post #3 » by **jalenrose#5** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:28 pm

If you can't stop goals....may as well try to outscore other hockey teams

Post #4 » by **Crowned** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:44 pm

Kaberle would be tough to give up, but I really do think I'd complete this trade. Marian Hossa is an elite player in this league and is someone you can certainly build around moving forward. Our defense would be disgusting, but if we were to trade Kaberle, I'd be in favour of completely dismantling the defensive core (which I'm already willing to do). I'd keep White, Carlo and Stralman...and trade everyone else and attempt to re-tool the blueline next offseason.

TR50 · Post #5 » by **TR50** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:47 pm

i don't think we can pass this up, even age favours us....kaberle is good but hossa is amazing...

i'd also agree with above about the D

Tor-Rap-Tor · Post #6 » by **Tor-Rap-Tor** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:03 pm

Well I'm torn between giving up our best D and taking a player, who is arguably a franchise player because...

Hossa is in the last year of his contract that pays him 7 million this year, would he resign and would he take, approx. 7 million in a 4 year contract. He has stated he won't resign in Atlanta, would he sign here...

If Hossa signs a contract before we trade for him, for 7 million per, is it still good for our team, as Kaberle is a bargain for 4.25 million per and we will have to shed another 2.75 million to balance and stay under cap (Darcy Tucker 3 million per), so on balance it would be Kaberle and Tucker for Hossa and that is only if all the factors above are valid...

I would do this in a heartbeat it it were Kubina and Tucker for Hossa but would they...

Post #7 » by **Crowned** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:42 pm

I'd give them Tucker for free if they really wanted. He's really starting to get on my nerves.

Tor-Rap-Tor · Post #8 » by **Tor-Rap-Tor** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:42 pm

Crowned wrote:I'd give them Tucker for free if they really wanted. He's really starting to get on my nerves.

I agree but I think he has been injured this year and that is the real reason for his indifferent play, he said he had a twinge in his knee when he was training for this season so?...

Another factor in the trade is that both Kaberle and Tucker have no trade contracts but I would do a deal with these two players, if it could be ironed out to get Hossa but not sure all the factors will come together to make a swap and wouldn't do it unless Hossa signed a new contract...

Post #9 » by **Crowned** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:36 am

We're paying Kubina and Tucker a combined 8 million dollars per season, and it's boarderline ridiculous. Pavel Kubina would've been a perfect defenseman in the 'old' NHL.

With 8 million dollars, we'd be able to sign a defensive defenseman (ie- shutdown/stay at home) for approximately 2-2.5 million, and spend the rest on an elite forward.

It makes too much sense, which is why it wouldn't happen.

We're going to have to do something cap wise next offseason if we want to re-sign Wellwood, Steen and Stajan...whom are all RFA's and WILL attract teams.

youreachiteach · Post #10 » by **youreachiteach** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:07 am

Crowned wrote:We're paying Kubina and Tucker a combined 8 million dollars per season, and it's boarderline ridiculous. Pavel Kubina would've been a perfect defenseman in the 'old' NHL.

With 8 million dollars, we'd be able to sign a defensive defenseman (ie- shutdown/stay at home) for approximately 2-2.5 million, and spend the rest on an elite forward.

It makes too much sense, which is why it wouldn't happen.

We're going to have to do something cap wise next offseason if we want to re-sign Wellwood, Steen and Stajan...whom are all RFA's and WILL attract teams.

Sundin is traded/released at season's end or sooner, and hopefully Tucker will go (as long as hi healthy) to one of the big budget American clubs who can smell the post season Cup.

If not, he's a good plugger with talent if he's healthy (which it doesn't seem he is anymore).

There's nothing the Leafs can do about Kubina. Bench him as a reasonable 3rd line backup and play the kids back on D.

Play Kronwall and the Stralman, White and Coli with Kaberle and McCabe and either trade or buy out what is left.

Next year there'll at least be Sundin's money to acquire a half decent defensive stalwart to lead the team. Add in Kulemin and Tlusty and this team has some offensive talent to help lead it going forward.

And yes, Sundin could fetch a top D man himself, which is really our biggest problem.

Tor-Rap-Tor · Post #11 » by **Tor-Rap-Tor** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:30 am

Crowned wrote:We're paying Kubina and Tucker a combined 8 million dollars per season, and it's boarderline ridiculous. Pavel Kubina would've been a perfect defenseman in the 'old' NHL.

With 8 million dollars, we'd be able to sign a defensive defenseman (ie- shutdown/stay at home) for approximately 2-2.5 million, and spend the rest on an elite forward.

It makes too much sense, which is why it wouldn't happen.

We're going to have to do something cap wise next offseason if we want to re-sign Wellwood, Steen and Stajan...whom are all RFA's and WILL attract teams.

Well your right on the money but in the new NHL, with the cap restrictions, the only way you can build a competitive team, is to to be in the last places in the league for a number of years and draft good young players but are the Leaf fans going to sit still for it. We keep signing mediocre cast-offs for big bucks so we can be mediocre...

Almost all the very good teams in the league draft 1st to 5th for 2 or 3 years and get players like Pittsburgh, Buffalo and Washington have done to name a few...

We get players that have been around for a while and are mediocre at best, they demand big contracts and are much sought after, so to get them, we pay big bucks. They are let go by their teams because they can be replaced by younger cheaper players...

I have made posts about the poaching of RFA's and as people in Edmonton will tell you, Penner wasn't worth the picks and contract he cost them but now the Bar has been set and will cost big bucks for virtually unproven players, hopefully this experience will make GM's back off with what has happened there...

In summing it all up we have to go down big for a few years to come back as a contender and in the mean time dump all our big contracts for draft picks and prospects. This year is a total waste and all we are doing is spinning our wheels...

If JFJ doesn't see this, dump him and get a GM that will pare us down and at least set the team up for a resurgence...

Even signing Hossa for 7 million or maybe even more, will not make us a contending team for the cup, it may propel us into the play-offs, so we can be knocked out in the first round but the Stanley Cup will not reside in the ACC...

Post #12 » by **Crowned** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:20 am

The problem is, rebuilding is an absolute crapshoot.

You're never guaranteed a good pick, you're never guaranteed a franchise player, you're never guaranteed prospects that will pan out.

We don't need a complete rebuild. We don't need to gut the entire team. We simply need to re-tool through the draft and free agency (wisely).

Ferguson tried to make a big splash during the Kubina offseason. He felt his newly acquired players would make a significant difference...which they should've. He was trying to look for immediate results, and swooped in and grabbed who he thought was "elite". He should've remained patient, like he did this past offseason.

Ideally, I'd do the following:

Trade Tucker. I think we'd get a good return for him, he still has value throughout the league.

Trade Kubina. Get something with value, and try again this next upcoming offseason and attempt to build the blueline.

Trade Raycroft. Toskala will be making 4 million next season, we can ease Pogge in as a backup. Use the newly acquired cap space on our current RFA's.

Trade our 4th line scrubs. Get whatever we can for them, I'll accept "future considerations" if needed. We need speed, defensive minded players, especially on our 3rd/4th line and we can bring up some of our current youth next season (ie Kulemin and Tlusty).

Post #13 » by **The-Insider** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:24 am

Thrashers need a goalie - If anything, I

Tor-Rap-Tor · Post #14 » by **Tor-Rap-Tor** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:10 pm

Crowned...

I don't totally disagree with you but there are few teams out there, willing to take on the contract of Tucker, with a no trade clause and another 4 years to run at 3 million per, for a player, playing a sub par season and the same thing with Kubina, who makes 5 million per for another 3 years...

To find out if anyone wants either of these two players, all we have to do is waive them, then see who wants to pick them up and if someone bites, we can either wave goodbye or pull them back and try to get a prospect or a draft choice from the team willing to take them. I think we will be paying them to play in the minors, I don't think anyone in their right mind will take on that much cap baggage, unless we take back some of their cap baggage and would we be any better off. Just more mediocrity in my opinion...

The only player on our team that will get us a big return, is Mats Sundin at the trade deadline and I have a real problem dumping the heart and soul of the Leaf's and a player that has done everything for this club (I personally wouldn't do it) but if your running a business and want to improve your product. this is the only way to get an instant infusion of young talent and draft choices...

Canuck9 · Post #15 » by **Canuck9** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:29 pm

Crowned wrote:The problem is, rebuilding is an absolute crapshoot.

You're never guaranteed a good pick, you're never guaranteed a franchise player, you're never guaranteed prospects that will pan out.

We don't need a complete rebuild. We don't need to gut the entire team. We simply need to re-tool through the draft and free agency (wisely).

Ferguson tried to make a big splash during the Kubina offseason. He felt his newly acquired players would make a significant difference...which they should've. He was trying to look for immediate results, and swooped in and grabbed who he thought was "elite". He should've remained patient, like he did this past offseason.

Ideally, I'd do the following:

Trade Tucker. I think we'd get a good return for him, he still has value throughout the league.

Trade Kubina. Get something with value, and try again this next upcoming offseason and attempt to build the blueline.

Trade Raycroft. Toskala will be making 4 million next season, we can ease Pogge in as a backup. Use the newly acquired cap space on our current RFA's.

Trade our 4th line scrubs. Get whatever we can for them, I'll accept "future considerations" if needed. We need speed, defensive minded players, especially on our 3rd/4th line and we can bring up some of our current youth next season (ie Kulemin and Tlusty).

Im not sure if you have heard of the old saying, to get something, you have to give up something. If you could just go out and trade kubina and raycroft it would have been done by now.

But seeing as how the leafs have 3 defencemen who are essentially the same (McCabe, Kubina and Kaberle), why not trade the one who will actually bring you a useful piece in return (Kaberle).

Atlanta may even have some moderate interest in Raycroft as Lehtonen seems to have a never ending groin problem and for $2M he really isnt that bad of a goalie. Kaberle, Raycroft and Stajan for Hossa and filler isnt a bad deal.

Canuck9 · Post #16 » by **Canuck9** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:31 pm

The-Insider wrote:Thrashers need a goalie - If anything, I