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Re: Carmelo Anthony Thread (Merging) 

Post#1381 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:26 pm

jamrock1975 wrote:knicks fan here. I come in peace. Just think about the reporter thaat has reported Amare texting Carmelo. Adrian Wojnowarski the same reporter that claimed that Lebron was put off by Donnie in a wheel chair. The report stated he claimed sources at the meeting "not in the meeting" stated how Lebron was put off by Donnie being in a wheel chair. It has long been rumored that information came out of lebron's camp but the more I think about it, Wojnowarski has sputed only venom at Lebron and his camp before the decision and after decision. No fast forward to this whole Melopalooza fiasco. It seemed as if he was getting minute by minute uipdates about the ongoing negotiations of the trade, it's as if he was in the room and it started to become clear that he was getting that information from someone within the nets organization henceforth denver telling everyone they need to keep the deal more private. This thing about Amare texting Carmelo maybe true or it may not be. Amare and Carmelo are friends and I am sure they have talked about playing together in the past, over the summer and since the season has started.

Ask yourself why all of a sudden it's being leaked that Amare is texting Melo? Why because the Nets feel they fading on the trade whether that is actually true or not, they sure feel that way. The nuggest wanted to file tampering charges the last time they thought the Knicks were tampering and they fed that line to Adrian Wojnowarski and he ran with it. That information is not gonna come from Amare or Carmelo telling a league source that they received a text from each other. That's just propraganda being spread by the Nets. That's teh reason why they sent out the photo of the arena because it was probably stated that the arena won't be finished on time. Now if Carmelo goes to the Nets or the Knicks it would be good for either team and the city, but what I don't like seeing is these false reports coming out that are just put out to make another team look bad. Denver is doing the same thing that they told the Nets not to do. They told New Jersey stop talking about the trade or we will trade them to the Knicks and he told that to the same reporter Adrian Wojnowarski to leak that information out to the media.

Unfortunately, falst reporting has become a hot commodity these days. Although, IMO Wojo has been pretty good when it comes to getting much of the facts and details right. Every once in a while he'll go overboard with his insinuations but for the most part I think he's ok.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony Thread (Merging) 

Post#1382 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:49 pm

Woj is the best in the biz if that's saying anything.

He's on a whole different tier from clowns like Sheridan, Broussard, Screamin' A, Vescey, etc.

First thing I thought when I read that was tampering though.
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Post#1383 » by vincecarter4pres » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:16 pm

Knickplaya wrote:I'm an attention whore.

Thanks for that.
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Re: Carmelo Anthony Thread (Merging) 

Post#1384 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:39 pm

Here are two tweets from Stefan Bondy:
Devin speaks for first time since rumors circulated, says he would prefer ordeal to be over but has no control. Otherwise, keep playing.

Rare sighting at shootaround: Irina Pavlova, Prokhorov's messenger. She seeks out Avery and leaves the court with him

The second quote scares me. Proky is going to tell the general that the Proky is the commander, which is higher than any general and therefore Carmelo will be dealt for no matter what.

And for those who want to know who Ms. Pavlova is, here you go: http://www.nba.com/nets/news/Irina_QA_p3_100603.html
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Post#1385 » by Preludepunk27 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:53 pm

Here is the thing:

Yes it's more than clear that Prohky (and I'm guessing Yormak too) is pressing for a star to market the bejeezus out of. What I'm thankful for here is that, though I don't think Avery's system works with a young team, he's not a pushover when it comes to management. What I'm noticing too is that Billy King doesn't seem to be either. In the proposed deal apparently agreed upon the other day before it blew up were we paying more than dollar for dollar? Yes I would say so, but Avery and King showed they'll take a few hits on the chin to make everyone happy, but they're not going to take it in the mouth like Denver was trying to do adding Al and asking for a 3rd first rounder.

As much as the media is going nuts, this is a very difficult trade to deal with and I actually think Billy and Avery are doing a decent job even though 99% of you probably think overwise. The fact the deal including Al and another pick didn't go down shows me that they both have the spine to stand up to Prohky at least for the time being. They know doing that deal is just too much for us to bear. If it falls apart completely, I actually don't have a major problem with how King and Avery handled it although I agree I would be a little disappointed (but not too much as I am high on Favors and still think Devin is great if he had a very good 2-guard playing next to him). They say all the right things in interviews. I think people need to separate the actual people involved from what is being thrown around by hack writers and they'll see this truth.

If Melo goes to the Knicks though, yeah I'll be pissed, because I know we made a better offer, but it wouldn't be because I felt King and Avery screwed it up. They may be willing to pay a premium for Melo when they shouldn't, but they're not willing to look like Wesley Snipe's cellmate either.
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Post#1386 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:31 pm

I wouldn't be so set to believe that the Knicks have an in yet. Whether that threat was real or not, does anyone honestly believe that Denver would basically give up the core of their franchise (turning themselves from a 1st/2nd round playoff team to a lottery team) and on top of that, reward Melo by sending him to the Knicks even though he is the one that is causing them this trouble in the first place? Of course not! It's just a ploy to get NJ to up the ante. We're not taking Harrington's contract because that destroys what would be left of any of our cap. And yes, now that we know that it's been Proky driving the show, I do credit Billy and Avery for standing up to this last request. It's gotta be hard when you're in your first year, you're still losing a lot, and then trying to deal with the emotions of trade rumors on top of injuries. I can see why Avery just seems pissed off for no reason sometimes.
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Post#1387 » by SteveNets15 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:34 pm

Yo prelude whats up dude

I hear the trade is going to go down sometime next week probably when they get back from this west coast trip.The whole Al Harrington thing is what slowed everything up,I think we should just take him since we're going to need the depth anyway(Denver isn't getting anymore picks out of us),at least he can hit open jump shots unlike Outlaw.I also heard the Nets are going to give Billups a new contract after the season to.Yea he wants to go back to Denver but like all players "Money Talks" and Proky has gone into Mark Cuban mode so we can forget about rebuilding slowly thru the draft.Our owner is to rich and to competitive to have a losing team and its bad for business.Ppl still aren't coming to the games because this team is a joke right now.In a way I'm glad at least we can enjoy the last year and a half in NJ with a competitive team.i'm not saying i won't follow the team to Crooklyn but if they change the Nets name then i doubt i will.I'm still on the fence with that whole subject.
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Post#1388 » by NyCeEvO » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:34 pm

Here's a side note...Apparently, Chauncey doesn't feel as bad about potentially leaving Denver any more. Plus, he knows Rip really wants to get out Detroit. Check it out:
Trade would reunite Billups, Hamilton

By Marc J. Spears, Yahoo! Sports Jan 12, 1:12 am EST

DENVER – Denver Nuggets guard Chauncey Billups(notes) looked at his cell phone Tuesday morning and noticed he was receiving a call from an old teammate who very well could become his new teammate.

“That’s Rip calling me right now,” Billups said before letting the call go to voice mail.

Billups has had several conversations with Hamilton about the potential trade and expects a resolution before too long. While Billups doesn’t want to leave his hometown of Denver, he’s accepted it’s a real possibility. Hamilton, meanwhile, is more than ready to leave the rebuilding Pistons.

“I’m sure we will find out soon if it will be a reality or not,” Billups told Yahoo! Sports. “I’ll be ready either way. Of course, Rip is pulling for anything to get out of his current situation. We will see.”

Billups’ agent, Andy Miller, said last Saturday his client preferred to finish his career with the Nuggets and would seek a buyout if he were dealt. Billups is still disappointed about the possible trade but is coming to grips with the reality of it. To make Billups more comfortable about the move, the Nets are expected to guarantee the $14.2 million he’s due in the final year of his contract next season rather than exercise a $3.7 million buyout before June 23.

“I’m going to play basketball at a high level wherever I’m at, whether I’m here or there,” Billups said. “I don’t know any different. I am not going to compromise my character.”

Billups stayed home from the Nuggets’ practice Monday because of a headache. His three young daughters aren’t happy about the possibility of their father leaving.

“My girls are having a hard time knowing that daddy possibly might not be around for a few months,” Billups said. “People don’t understand that side of professional sports with the families. They think about all the money that you make and everything. Sometimes that’s not enough. Money is not everything. It’s just tough, but that’s just how the ball bounces and I have come to terms with that a long time ago in my career.
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Post#1389 » by nba watcher » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:48 pm

Does anybody agree with me when i say dont make the trade. the reason being is that I dont think we realize we have 5 picks. I know management wants to make a splash this year but we have a total of 7 chances to get 1 super star in the draft. Ginobili went late in the second round, kobe went 13th, rondo went 21st, joe johnson 10th, tony parker28th, gerald wallace 25th, and the list goes on and on. if all my nj fans take a look a the mock draft on http://www.mynbadraft.com look in the second round pick and take a look a wally judge, he's bulit like labron.
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Post#1390 » by SteveNets15 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:23 am

In his latest tweet, Chris Broussard reports that the three-team trade talks are "dormant" not "dead' but also calls chances that the two sides will reach agreement and the Nets will be able to convince Carmelo to sign "a long shot."


Wow Broussard is such a tool and so wrong.He really just makes this stuff up as he goes.I honestly have more sources then this clown.
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Post#1391 » by vincecarter4pres » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:29 am

I posted this in the game thread but I want to post it here so it doesn't get completely lost in the shuffle...

I would rather Billups then Harris all day if we get Melo, but Rip is a deal breaker without Outlaw outgoing.

I would be so much more on board with this if somehow we could cut Detroit out and swing something with Phoenix where we wind up with Melo, Nash, VC and Channing Frye coming here with Brook, Morrow, Outlaw, Devin, Murphy and some other salary filler outgoing.

I would have no problem giving up the GSW and our 2011 pick, the Houston pick, hell even our 2013 pick in that scenario, because not only would that team be very competitive this year and next, but everyone basically comes off the cap in 2012, Favors will still be on a rookie deal and therefore we can go after CP3, Deron, etc., whoever the best of the rest that make it to free agency.

I still have faith in Brook, but I just see a lot of upside in Favors. I don't know if he ever becomes this straight up beast, top player, but I think his floor is quite high, so you at least wind up with a prime Kenyon Martin type and all this while retaining us that 2012 flexibility even if we burn almost every pick imaginable in the deal.
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Post#1392 » by Jersey Generals » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:55 pm

Vince, you're coming over to the dark side in trading Brook over Favors, hm? Good, good. Let the power flow through you.
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Post#1393 » by smw6230 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:31 pm

After reading this article I want to extend my deepest sympathies to NJ Net fans.

(Yikes!)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... ture011311
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Post#1394 » by Preludepunk27 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:46 pm

Honestly, this article won't upset me unless we get absolutely screwed in the trade. Yes we're paying a premium to Melo when we really shouldn't be, but as long as a 3rd pick and Al aren't in the deal, I couldn't care.

At this point, I don't care if Melo comes here or not. I just want this to be over and for Melo to not be a Knick. If that happens and he ends up a rocket or something, I'll be fine.
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Post#1395 » by S.I.C. GM » Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:31 pm

smw6230 wrote:After reading this article I want to extend my deepest sympathies to NJ Net fans.

(Yikes!)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... ture011311


the same thing happened with the Three Amigas ( Especially Lebron). Wes was trying to get Lebron to NY.

This is all BS. The bottom line is Melo Decides where he wants to go. Melo pays the Agent not the other way around. If Melo didnt like how his agent was doing business, Melo would say something.

NO POWER struggle here. Just BS writing.
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Post#1396 » by SpeedyG » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:33 am

Jersey Generals wrote:Vince, you're coming over to the dark side in trading Brook over Favors, hm? Good, good. Let the power flow through you.


So here's a take on this...

We were all told that Avery Johnson was hand-picked by Prokorov as the coach. We also wondered, when it was announced, how Avery's style would affect Lopez. And we all believed it will either make him, or break him...no middle ground.

Well, given Brook's reactions during the game, it would seem as though it is the latter that is happening. Lopez has regressed incredibly this year, and yes we can all rationalize it however we want, but the fact is...he's taken a major step back and he's clearly not gelling with the new coach.

So what do you do? How do you fix this? Avery just got here, and regardless how rich Prok is, I can't imagine him letting go of Avery after one year. As well, in sports, typically when a coach and a player clashes, most of the time, it is the player (if it is someone perceived as a cornerstone) that wins out.

So who wins in this situation?
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Post#1397 » by JoseRizal » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:40 am

I just find it unrealistic for Melo to be the victim in all of these.

He's the one who desires to leave Denver in the first place. I'm sure he instructed his agents to look for the best possible deal for him without compromising his earnings.

I just don't buy the idea that he's being held hostage by his agents.

Regardless of what decisions his agents make, at the end of the day it's still Melo who'll sign it off...
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Post#1398 » by Shark » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:52 am

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Jersey Generals wrote:Vince, you're coming over to the dark side in trading Brook over Favors, hm? Good, good. Let the power flow through you.


So here's a take on this...

We were all told that Avery Johnson was hand-picked by Prokorov as the coach. We also wondered, when it was announced, how Avery's style would affect Lopez. And we all believed it will either make him, or break him...no middle ground.

Well, given Brook's reactions during the game, it would seem as though it is the latter that is happening. Lopez has regressed incredibly this year, and yes we can all rationalize it however we want, but the fact is...he's taken a major step back and he's clearly not gelling with the new coach.

So what do you do? How do you fix this? Avery just got here, and regardless how rich Prok is, I can't imagine him letting go of Avery after one year. As well, in sports, typically when a coach and a player clashes, most of the time, it is the player (if it is someone perceived as a cornerstone) that wins out.

So who wins in this situation?

No one will win. Just because of what you said. Unless the club has changed its stance on trading Brook of course. Thing is that unless Avery gets shooters his system isn't going to workout anyway.
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Post#1399 » by JoseRizal » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:04 am

^^ At first I wasn't convinced that Avery took the mojo out of Brook. But as the season progresses it's an undeniable fact that they are not compatible. It may be Avery's style of coaching or how Brook adjusts to his system.

In this type of situation, nobody wins...
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Post#1400 » by blindchicken11 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:18 am

No, it's because Brook is bad. Who would you take, a coach that led a team to the finals, or a 7 foot guy that can't rebound. Brook isn't aggressive, doesn't move very well, and is the slowest person I've ever seen. Doesn't matter how bad or good the coach is, he needs to work on those things if he ever wants to get better. Every time I see him he never goes hard to the basket like every other big man.

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