Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Are we still interested in trading for Wes Johnson as a possible SF for the future? I recall lots of talk about that over the summer. Minny drafted him before trading for Beasley and him having a breakout year statistically. They also have Martell Webster, who's probably a better shooter than Johnson and would probably be better suited at SG. Maybe Johnson is no longer in their longterm plans.

How about this if NJ acquires Billups in a Melo deal (and he doesn't demand a buyout)...

Wizards trade: Blatche
Wizards receive: Johnson and Telfailr

Nets trade: Harris
Nets receive: Blatche and Flynn

Wolves trade: Johnson, Flynn, and Telfair
Wolves receive: Harris

TRADE ID 5807545

Yes, we have Lewis, but I don't see him as a guy who would protest a bench role next season if weturned the SF spot over to Johnson. NJ gets a young big to replace the young big they lose in the Melo trade. And the Wolves get a stud PG to run their team while they wait for Rubio. Ridnour becomes an expensive backup, but they never should have given him that contract in the first place.

Blatche is signed to too good a deal and is a rare talent for a guy his size to trade him for Wes Johnson and filler (Telfair). It would be nice to get Johnson while hd is still so reluctant to shoot, but I wouldn't trade a good big for him.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Are we still interested in trading for Wes Johnson as a possible SF for the future? I recall lots of talk about that over the summer. Minny drafted him before trading for Beasley and him having a breakout year statistically. They also have Martell Webster, who's probably a better shooter than Johnson and would probably be better suited at SG. Maybe Johnson is no longer in their longterm plans.

How about this if NJ acquires Billups in a Melo deal (and he doesn't demand a buyout)...

Wizards trade: Blatche
Wizards receive: Johnson and Telfailr

Nets trade: Harris
Nets receive: Blatche and Flynn

Wolves trade: Johnson, Flynn, and Telfair
Wolves receive: Harris

TRADE ID 5807545

Yes, we have Lewis, but I don't see him as a guy who would protest a bench role next season if we turned the SF spot over to Johnson. NJ gets a young big to replace the young big they lose in the Melo trade. And the Wolves get a stud PG to run their team while they wait for Rubio. Ridnour becomes an expensive backup, but they never should have given him that contract in the first place.

This deal could work with the Nuggets in place of the Nets(since they are only giving up one player there is no waiting period on the trade). It may actually make more sense for the rebuilding Nuggets. The Nuggets may want to dump a contract and cash on the Twolves to slide under the luxury tax.

This would make Lewis the Wizards starting PF. If they made this deal, I think the Wizards should pursue Perkins as a long term defensive center option or Dalembert as a stop gap.

I think it would be a mistake to go forward with Lewis as the PF, and as PF of the future at this point in his career. Also, Johnson would have to become more assertive offensively to become enough to make Blatche expendable.

[verbal8]

I think it would be a mistake to go forward with Lewis as the PF, and as PF of the future at this point in his career. Also, Johnson would have to become more assertive offensively to become enough to make Blatche expendable.

I would be very surprised to see Lewis on the team in 2 years. Hopefully at that point Seraphin has developed enough he can start with McGee.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I really like the idea, Rico.

What does Minny think of Flynn? Have they given up on him and consider him a complete bust with no value, or is he a guy that is still "developing"? If they still have hope for him, I'm not sure they do this. If they view him as pure filler, than this deal makes a lot of sense for all parties.

If we draft Sullinger, our lineup would be pretty well balanced:

PG Wall/Hinrich
SG Young/Hinrich
SF W.Johnson/Lewis
PF Sullinger/Lewis/Booker
C McGee/Serapin

All that stuff I posted about not trading Blatche for Johnson I would take back if Washington ended up drafting Sullinger. This would become a great team.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think it would be a mistake to go forward with Lewis as the PF, and as PF of the future at this point in his career. Also, Johnson would have to become more assertive offensively to become enough to make Blatche expendable.

I would be very surprised to see Lewis on the team in 2 years. Hopefully at that point Seraphin has developed enough he can start with McGee.

Hopefully so, verbal. I would like to see Flip experiment with Seraphin/McGee a little now.

[LyricalRico]

I think it would be a mistake to go forward with Lewis as the PF, and as PF of the future at this point in his career. Also, Johnson would have to become more assertive offensively to become enough to make Blatche expendable.

I would be very surprised to see Lewis on the team in 2 years. Hopefully at that point Seraphin has developed enough he can start with McGee.

Hopefully so, verbal. I would like to see Flip experiment with Seraphin/McGee a little now.

I'd like to see that as well. I think we need to find out if Seraphin project more as a C or PF longterm. If he can develop into a bruising, post-up PF that would open up a lot more options for this team.

[tontoz]

^Seraphin has actually looked decent in the post in the rare times i have seen him there.

[nate33]

It's too easy to double team post scorers these days. The only time you can get a one on one isolation in the post is if you can put four shooters on the floor around him. That's not going to work if McGee is one of the "shooters". If Seraphin plays post at the four, guards will collapse, or fake like they're collapsing and force Seraphin into bad shots and turnovers.

[adarsh1]

Am I being overzealous in thinking a trade package of Young, Blatche, a first, Booker, Howard, Yi (all expiring) for Melo and salary can't happen?

[Benjammin]

Am I being overzealous in thinking a trade package of Young, Blatche, a first, Booker, Howard, Yi (all expiring) for Melo and salary can't happen?

No, you are not overzealous for thinking it can't happen. It can't or won't happen because Melo doesn't want to play here. Plus, Denver will get a better deal from NJ with Favors and multiple first round picks.

[Dat2U]

So what kind of player could we get with a mix of our lottery pick, Nick Young and/or Andray Blatche? That's got to have some value, right?

[closg00]

FWIW, from Hoops World.

mgw33 in Durham, NC:
Do the Wizards sell high on Blatche?
Steve Kyler:

Theye are trying... most of the talks in the NBA are tied up with the Carmelo stuff... most teams want to see the deal that gets done, because there will be some players waived after the deal drops... there are also options to get in that deal several teams are looking at.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Chat.asp?CHAT ... z1AqdDKQpi

[fishercob]

So what kind of player could we get with a mix of our lottery pick, Nick Young and/or Andray Blatche? That's got to have some value, right?

I'd keep the lotto pick. We're not close to good enough where we could trade for one stud and be a very good team.

I really would trade NIck to Chicago for that Charlotte pick though. Here's the details:

2012 first round draft pick from Charlotte
Charlotte’s own 2012 1st round draft pick to Chicago (top-14 protected in the 2012 Draft, top-12 protected in 2013, top-10 protected in 2014, top-8 protected in 2015 and unprotected in the 2016 Draft.) [Charlotte - Chicago, 2/18/2010]

While the Bobs are playing better under Silas, it's not going to last. They don't have any great young players and their cap is really messy going forward. They're pretty old too. They're going to suck for a while.

How great would it be to have a 25 year old Wall in his prime AND a high lotto pick? And we could start scouting 8th graders now for the '16 draft which has been barelyawake's plan all along!

[Bickerstaff]

Am I being overzealous in thinking a trade package of Young, Blatche, a first, Booker, Howard, Yi (all expiring) for Melo and salary can't happen?

Assuming Denver would accept it, that would leave the Wizards with this going into next season:

Wall
Hinrich
Lewis
Anthony
McGee
Seraphim
2nd Round pick
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Thorton (FA)
Armstrong (FA)
Ndiaye (FA)

You think that core is going to challenge the elite teams? Do you really have that much faith in Carmelo? I don't. The only trades the Wizards should be making are ones that make the team younger and less expensive. The future is very much not now. Be patient.

[nate33]

Am I being overzealous in thinking a trade package of Young, Blatche, a first, Booker, Howard, Yi (all expiring) for Melo and salary can't happen?

No, you are not overzealous for thinking it can't happen. It can't or won't happen because Melo doesn't want to play here. Plus, Denver will get a better deal from NJ with Favors and multiple first round picks.

+1

Favors + 2011 unprotected NJ pick is better than anything we can offer (unless we include Wall).

[no D in Hibachi]

I'm not sure I understand why there is an uprising to trade Nick Young, especially for some of the returns being mentioned. Based upon John Wall’s strengths if you were to craft a SG side-kick to complement him perfectly you’d want someone who:

1. Is a good to very good catch and shoot scorer to stretch defenses
2. Works well off screens
3. Is athletic enough to fill the wings on fast breaks
4. Doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective
5. Capable of creating his shot in a pinch, but defers to others
6. Good to very good defender, both help and on ball

Basically Nick Young has molded his game so he is at least good at each of the categories above. Sure he’s not a great passer, but as his PT has increased he’s increased his assists. Sure he’s not a great rebounder for his position, but he’s not killing the Wiz because he doesn’t get a ton of boards.

I worry that if the Wiz get rid of Young who’s replacing him that works better with Wall? Further, don’t tell me that SG is the easiest position to fill …the Wiz have been looking for a SG replacement since 2004-2005 when Larry Hughes left. Now they finally have a capable replacement why try to sell ‘high’ when the high is Keith Bogans and a first with protections until 2016. I doubt he breaks the bank as a restricted FA so I consider it very unlikely he leaves Washington.

[fishercob]

I'm not sure I understand why there is an uprising to trade Nick Young, especially for some of the returns being mentioned. Based upon John Wall’s strengths if you were to craft a SG side-kick to complement him perfectly you’d want someone who:

1. Is a good to very good catch and shoot scorer to stretch defenses
2. Works well off screens
3. Is athletic enough to fill the wings on fast breaks
4. Doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective
5. Capable of creating his shot in a pinch, but defers to others
6. Good to very good defender, both help and on ball

Basically Nick Young has molded his game so he is at least good at each of the categories above. Sure he’s not a great passer, but as his PT has increased he’s increased his assists. Sure he’s not a great rebounder for his position, but he’s not killing the Wiz because he doesn’t get a ton of boards.

I worry that if the Wiz get rid of Young who’s replacing him that works better with Wall? Further, don’t tell me that SG is the easiest position to fill …the Wiz have been looking for a SG replacement since 2004-2005 when Larry Hughes left. Now they finally have a capable replacement why try to sell ‘high’ when the high is Keith Bogans and a first with protections until 2016. I doubt he breaks the bank as a restricted FA so I consider it very unlikely he leaves Washington.

Well argued. I hope Young continues to improve and proves my doubts about him wrong.

[Ruzious]

I'm not sure I understand why there is an uprising to trade Nick Young, especially for some of the returns being mentioned. Based upon John Wall’s strengths if you were to craft a SG side-kick to complement him perfectly you’d want someone who:

1. Is a good to very good catch and shoot scorer to stretch defenses
2. Works well off screens
3. Is athletic enough to fill the wings on fast breaks
4. Doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective
5. Capable of creating his shot in a pinch, but defers to others
6. Good to very good defender, both help and on ball

Basically Nick Young has molded his game so he is at least good at each of the categories above. Sure he’s not a great passer, but as his PT has increased he’s increased his assists. Sure he’s not a great rebounder for his position, but he’s not killing the Wiz because he doesn’t get a ton of boards.

I worry that if the Wiz get rid of Young who’s replacing him that works better with Wall? Further, don’t tell me that SG is the easiest position to fill …the Wiz have been looking for a SG replacement since 2004-2005 when Larry Hughes left. Now they finally have a capable replacement why try to sell ‘high’ when the high is Keith Bogans and a first with protections until 2016. I doubt he breaks the bank as a restricted FA so I consider it very unlikely he leaves Washington.

Ya know something - you're probably right. I have some trepidation about cost, but as long as its reasonable, we should keep him. And it's not like we could get a lot for him. Of course, he could play really poorly the next few games and change my opinion.

[Hoopalotta]

So what kind of player could we get with a mix of our lottery pick, Nick Young and/or Andray Blatche? That's got to have some value, right?

I'd keep the lotto pick. We're not close to good enough where we could trade for one stud and be a very good team.

That matches my thinking too - it's sounding perilously Jamisonian to go after one guy while pooling a bunch of resources towards a quicker turn around. It would be one thing if we were going to bring in someone on the first or second year of their rookie deal, but these consolidation trades are usually for well established players.

You know, if we did get the Bobblecats pick, we might be able to force a second trade with Charlotte for their lottery pick this year with how fiscally unbalanced they are.

Something like returning their 2012 pick combined with eating a bad contract for an expiring might well get it done.

As to the trade Nick/don't trade Nick, I'd say it depends on the overall time frame of the the impending resurgence as well as what all it's going to cost to resign him.

If we're not really trying to maximize competitiveness next year, then it makes sense to trade Nick and continue with the bottom dwelling without the fiscal obligations and see what can be done on the other side of the CBA with maximum flexibility. If this year is planned to be the last at the top of the lottery, then resigning Nick might make sense.

The wild card - and really the biggest issue - is what kind of money Young's going to get offered; I can definitely say that if he'd get anything like what would be 5 years @ $40 million (or the equivalent under the next CBA), I'm squarely coming down on the "trade Nick!" side of things. In a bad season we'll latch onto a good story for emotional purposes, but if we slap Nick onto the books for big money and extend McGee, we're probably pretty close to tapped out unless there's an amnesty provision for Shard's final year. I suppose we might be able to angle it to where we had money in the summer of 2013, but we'd have to go skeleton crew to make that happen.

All told, I'd come down on the side of trading Nick if the value was there or if I knew he was going to command big money, but it's a bit hard to account for those variables.

[LyricalRico]

The wild card - and really the biggest issue - is what kind of money Young's going to get offered; I can definitely say that if he'd get anything like what would be 5 years @ $40 million (or the equivalent under the next CBA), I'm squarely coming down on the "trade Nick!" side of things.

Considering that a lot of teams blew their wad on the Summer of 2010 and with a potentially stricter salary cap on the horizon, $8M per year for Nick Young seems unlikely IMO. When it's all said and done he's still going to be just a complimentary scorer on a bad team. Maybe he gets the max number of years, but I don't think the dollar figure will be high.