[Camelo Thread Part 8] - NJ Gets Threats From Denver!

[ComboGuardCity]

Which lineup is better?

PG Felton/Douglas
SG Walker/Mason
SF Melo/Williams
PF Amare/Williams
C Turiaf/Amare

or


PG Felton/Douglas
SG Fields/Walker
SF Chandler/Gallo
PF Amare/Williams/Gallo
C Turiaf/Amare


Let's say this year goes by and the Knicks look to target Free agents. Who are these mystery guys that are attainable on team #2, but not on team 1? Both teams need a center and Team #2 needs atleast one perimeter closer.

So yes, Melo is worth all those players. Its just about the risk tolerance you guys have in terms of waiting or getting him now.I doubt that much would have to be given up (especially Fields)

[ThePrez86]

What does how I feel about Melo/Beasley have to do with anything? This has nothing to do with the Jazz game. You're saying Carmelo isn't worth Wilson Chandler, Gallinari, and Fields. That's what you're saying. Those 3 players are worth more than Carmelo. The best one of the trio isn't even an Allstar and they aern't worth Carmelo.

Y'all don't get tired of overrating players? First it was Anthony Randolph. There was no way anyone would trade him and Gallo for Carmelo, and now everyone is willing to trade Anthony Randolph for a pick, to acquire Carmelo. Now Landry Fields is the new obsession where everyone will trade Gallo, but no to Fields in a Carmelo trade. Its ridiculous.

Melo simply isn't worth those 3 collectively. I was high on AR in terms of raw potential in comparison with what we had but I've never deemed any of our players untouchable. 3 for 1.... Melo is not. We're not getting beat because we don't have a 2nd star.... what's so hard to grasp here?

I disagree though. I do feel we're getting beat by teams like the Heat because we don't have a second star. You don't have to agree, but do you disagree with this...We're going to plan an imaginary game. If we keep the team we have and add a defensive center (a guy like Camby), is this team capable of beating Miami? I say no. What do you think? And tell me why for your answer.

No, they're not.

If this team trades for Melo (even if they were to give up nothing more than a 2nd round pick to do it), would they beat the Heat? No, they would not.

So since there's not one single player potentially on the market this season that could put this team, as presently constituted, over the top, why not just wait for the summer and see how things shake out? Some better options might come along.

It just seems some people here want to make a trade for a big name just for the sake of trading for a big name. Actual team needs and actual player strengths/weaknesses bear little consequence.

[Justdatdude]

Which lineup is better?

PG Felton/Douglas
SG Walker/Mason
SF Melo/Williams
PF Amare/Williams
C Turiaf/Amare

or


PG Felton/Douglas
SG Fields/Walker
SF Chandler/Gallo
PF Amare/Williams/Gallo
C Turiaf/Amare


Let's say this year goes by and the Knicks look to target Free agents. Who are these mystery guys that are attainable on team #2, but not on team 1? Both teams need a center and Team #2 needs atleast one perimeter closer.

So yes, Melo is worth all those players. Its just about the risk tolerance you guys have in terms of waiting or getting him now.

Well if a year go by, don't we have to lose Turiaf and someone else to keep Chandler? So that 2nd lineup wouldn't be possible. However, if we trade for Carmelo this season, we're only losing 2 of the 3 at most when it come to Fields, Chandler, and Gallo.

Felton/Douglas
Chandler/Walker
Carmelo/Williams
Amare/Williams
Turiaf/Mosgov

Felton/Douglas
Fields/Walker
Carmelo/Williams
Amare/Williams
Turiaf/mosgov

Felton/Douglas
Gallo/Walker
Carmelo/Williams
Amare/Williams
Turiaf/Mosgov

Are all better than what we currently have.

[TrueWarrior]

Maybe the point is that there arent many true #1 scoring options? Just because a guy is putting up numbers doesnt mean much.

And I would put Amare above Melo, with Rose, Deron, Pierce, Granger, Gordon, Monta, and Dwight in the conversation at least. You could say Melo has the repertoire but his numbers dont back it up right now do they?

So now Carmelo isn't that good of a scorer and Rose, Deron, Pierce, Granger, Gordon, Monta, and Dwight are better scoring options than Carmelo or at least in the conversation? Ok. You have your take, I have mine. We can take this on the general board, but they will laugh, and you guys will call them haters. So we're just going to leave it at me and you disagreeing. I'm not going to debate with you why the player most view as one of the top 3 scorers in the league is not a legit #1 option.

IDC about what the general board or PC board say. Why do you keep threatening to bring every convo there as if that matters? Ha. Come on dude. Have you seen the posters who post there? Mostly a bunch of little kids, bandwagoners, and boxscore/highlight watchers.

Of course you cut out all the numbers I keep giving you, because they make your argument sound biased. You have nothing to debate other than "Nanny Nanny Boo Boo." Im throwing everything at you and you cant handle it, but I dont expect the biggest Melo homer to see things from another perspective. You also thought Iverson was a great player. We have different views. You're right. I guess we'll leave it at that.

Im still waiting to hear the reason Melo is better than the Big Dog though .

[Justdatdude]

No, they're not.

If this team trades for Melo (even if they were to give up nothing more than a 2nd round pick to do it), would they beat the Heat? No, they would not.

So since there's not one single player potentially on the market this season that could put this team, as presently constituted, over the top, why not just wait for the summer and see how things shake out? Some better options might come along.

It just seems some people here want to make a trade for a big name just for the sake of trading for a big name. Actual team needs and actual player strengths/weaknesses bear little consequence.

No it seems like you're going totally off of what we were discussing. Everyone would prefer to have Carmelo as a free agent, that isn't what's being discussed right now. You tried to take our convo and go into another discussion. Wasn't necessary and it has nothing to do with a name.

[Dr. Detfink]

The Don can be a prick and give Denver dog **** because Melo is holding himself hostage but I see something like Wilson Chandler (cause he can be a FA and Gallo is taller), Walker, Anthony Randolph, 2 First Rounders for Melo.

[Justdatdude]

Maybe the point is that there arent many true #1 scoring options? Just because a guy is putting up numbers doesnt mean much.

And I would put Amare above Melo, with Rose, Deron, Pierce, Granger, Gordon, Monta, and Dwight in the conversation at least. You could say Melo has the repertoire but his numbers dont back it up right now do they?

So now Carmelo isn't that good of a scorer and Rose, Deron, Pierce, Granger, Gordon, Monta, and Dwight are better scoring options than Carmelo or at least in the conversation? Ok. You have your take, I have mine. We can take this on the general board, but they will laugh, and you guys will call them haters. So we're just going to leave it at me and you disagreeing. I'm not going to debate with you why the player most view as one of the top 3 scorers in the league is not a legit #1 option.

IDC about what the general board or PC board say. Why do you keep threatening to bring every convo there as if that matters? Ha. Come on dude. Have you seen the posters who post there? Mostly a bunch of little kids, bandwagoners, and boxscore/highlight watchers.

Of course you cut out all the numbers I keep giving you, because they make your argument sound biased. You have nothing to debate other than "Nanny Nanny Boo Boo." Im throwing everything at you and you cant handle it, but I dont expect the biggest Melo homer to see things from another perspective. You also thought Iverson was a great player. We have different views. You're right. I guess we'll leave it at that.

Im still waiting to hear the reason Melo is better than the Big Dog though .

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Who else thought this guy looked great tonight? His mid range game was Melo-esque out there. I mean its not crazy to think he could reach that level. The dude was the number 2 pick and dominated in his lone year in college. He was compared to Melo alot coming out too. SuperCool seems to be finding his groove now and I gotta say I was impressed. Gallo and even Chandler were no match for him on D. He was creating at will. The Wolves getting him for scraps could be one of the best pickups in recent memory if he pans out.

In a topic in which you asked if Beasley can reached Carmelo level, the first thing you said was

Who else thought this guy looked great tonight?

For this guy who isn't a number 1 option and who Beasley reminded you of that night, you also said

Gallo and even Chandler were no match for him on D. He was creating at will.

Put that together and you was saying Beasley reminded you of Carmelo because his midrange game was great, he couldn't be guarded by 2 defenders that half of this board agree are good (one half says Gallo is good and Chandler sucks and the other half says Chandler is good and Gallo suck), and he was creating at will.


Are you saying Beasley is a special offensive player or Melo is a special offensive player that can score at will and Beasley looked like him? See below...

Oh I know Chandler is the better two way player. Hes the better defender and shot blocker. But Beasley was making moves Chandler couldnt dream of. All Im saying is he looked like Melo last night. Whether he keep it up remains to be seen, but IDK why some of you guys are getting so defensive. Had Gallo or Chandler scored like him we would be jumping for joy. Again it was how he was scoring that was special to me.

Almost missed this part...Maybe you were overrating Carmelo's offensive abilities, being that you said Beasley look just like Carmelo out there. See below...

Thank you. Its funny how some of these cats think I just pulled the comparison out of my ass. Hes been compared to him numerous times. Melo scored 32 on 14-25 shots against the Lakers. He looked great and they beat the best team in the NBA. Are we going to nitpick about his performance? If you dont make alot of threes or get to the line in a particular game then your PPS isnt going to be that good, but how can anyone be saying 50%+ from the field is bad? It was the WAY Beasley scored that prompted me to make the comparison again. He had a great arsenal of moves and no matter who we put on him he scored one on one. His mid range game was wet and was exactly what we needed down the stretch. He just looked like Melo on offense.

In this topic you say he isn't capable of being a #1 option. I see right through you. Stick to the script you wrote and stop changing scripts in the middle of the movie.

Throw whatever numbers out that you want. I don't care. We can disagree. It doesn't matter. Going to bed.

[TrueWarrior]

Ha what does me thinking Beasley has some nice moves have to do with this? You're obsessed with that thread btw. Melo has nice moves too. So what? He looked like Melo that night. Thats all I said. I also have been on record saying I dont think Beasley or Melo is that good, so me asking if Beasley can reach Glenn Robins... I mean Melo level isnt saying much is it? Just because you are a good Iso scorer doesnt mean you are a true #1. A guy like Monta is in the same boat. I was impressed with Beasley's moves that night. Great. Hes a promising young player but I have similar concerns with him than I do with Melo.

Heres a question for ya pal... were Iverson and TMac true #1 scorers? Were they guys who could consistently lead you on a contender?

Iverson: Career FG% of 43%, TS% of 52%, 22 shots a game, 32% Usage, 105 Offensive Rating

TMac: Career FG% of 44%, TS% of 52%, 18 shots a game, 30% Usage, 108 Offensive Rating.

Iversons best shooting seasons were actually in Denver, where his teams couldnt get out of the 1st round. He made it to the Finals one year in Philly in a weak East as we all know on one of the best defensive teams in the league. Other than that he didnt do anything as the man in Philly besides some semifinals appearances in the weak East.

TMacs best season was 02-03 statistically, and his team only won 42 games with a first round KO in the weak East.

What makes Melo any different than these guys? Were all three very exciting to watch? No doubt. But them being the #1 guys are not getting you very far. Compare Tmac's Orlando years with Kobe's post Shaq, Pre-Gasol years. Kobe didnt get past the first round either but his team played in a much tougher conference. Had Kobs teams been in the weak East he could have done some damage.

[Justdatdude]

So because McGrady didn't have much success in the playoffs, you're saying the McGrady that was on Orlando wasn't a great #1 option? Iverson was a terrible #1 option?

I would love to hear what you have to say about Bernard King. Lord knows he didn't have success in the playoffs. Is he a #1 option?

Kevin Love has better shooting numbers than Carmelo, is he a #1 option?

You're being ridiculous.

Kobe post-Shaq and pre-Gasol wasn't doing what Tmac was doing. And who cares what conference he was in. If he was the #1 option, a great one at that, his team surely should've been better than what they were, right?

Numbers aren't everything. They tell some things, but they aren't everything. Use common sense. That's the most important thing.

[CHARLYMURPHY]

With Walsh saying he wants to resign Chandler.. I think its pretty obvious that hes going to trade either Gallo or Fields.. I would rather have Gallo go.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

With Rip Hamilton's strange DNP-CD tonight, Kenny Smith said it's "obvious" the trade is "imminent" within the next 24-48 hours on NBATV Game Time. I believe we may be arriving at the endgame of the Melopalooza...or not.

[Knicker23]

Anyone who thinks we don't need Melo is a fool.. wake up and smell the roses already.. one star isn't good enough. getting a 'true center' ain't gona change that...we'll get a center in time regardless, another star, isn't so certain..... we need Melo if we want any intention of getting beyond simply making the playoffs.

[Knicker23]

I'd imagine the deal we have going is Gallo, AR (or the pick we'd get for him), Curry, plus some other random like B Walker... I don't see Chandler being part of it... Fields is possible, though I think Donnie would try to hold him out

[NYKBaller]

Rip had a dnp? Uh oh melo just slipped between our fingers

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Rip had a dnp? Uh oh melo just slipped between our fingers

I think so bro.
He looked like he wanted to cry when they interviewed him in the post game.
This looks for real to me but so far it's been a done deal twice already so....who knows at this point?
Maybe Denver's FO is pissed because he said he guaranteed he'd be there after Thursday's game, I dunno but something is up here.

[GONYK]

Rip had a dnp? Uh oh melo just slipped between our fingers

I think so bro.
He looked like he wanted to cry when they interviewed him in the post game.
This looks for real to me but so far it's been a done deal twice already so....who knows at this point?
Maybe Denver's FO is pissed because he said he guaranteed he'd be there after Thursday's game, I dunno but something is up here.

Rip can miss every game of the season, doesn't mean Melo is signing the extension

[Gregory151]

Rip had a dnp? Uh oh melo just slipped between our fingers

I think so bro.
He looked like he wanted to cry when they interviewed him in the post game.
This looks for real to me but so far it's been a done deal twice already so....who knows at this point?
Maybe Denver's FO is pissed because he said he guaranteed he'd be there after Thursday's game, I dunno but something is up here.

Are u serious?.... If it is true & melo agreed to the extension with the nets then that would be a giant FAIL for his team.. with all the leverage they had/have

[BLACKFEET 2010]

"I don't have anything going with Denver," Walsh told The News Wednesday. "Nothing."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... z1AtyxTp6t

[GONYK]

"I don't have anything going with Denver," Walsh told The News Wednesday. "Nothing."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... z1AtyxTp6t

I guess Walsh is confident Melo will sign as a FA

[Knicker23]

"I get the sense that they (the Knicks) will ride it out," said one rival GM. "They're on a roll. Why mess with it."

I love how people think us being on a 'roll' is reason not to go after Anthony, quite funny.