Phaneuf is mega overrated

[Griff83]

I cant believe people view this guy as a potential norris winner. Sure the guy makes the highlight reels on a regular basis with huge hits and he racks up alot of points seeing he's on a powerplay with Iginla, Tanguay, Huselious but after that hes horrible. The guy is one of the worst defencemen in the league in his own end coughing up numerous pucks nightly, takes so many stupid penalties and has a terribly low hockey IQ. Many nights he hurts his team just as much as he helps with untimely penaties and coughups

Most overrated player ive seen in the league and should never come close to winning a Norris if playing in your own zone and playing defence counts for what it should.

[ajaX82]

(waiting for The Child Prodigy to arrive in a rage)

[Griff83]

(waiting for The Child Prodigy to arrive in a rage)

outside of laying big hits and letting go big one timers on the powerplay, id like to hear what he does well.

-below average in his own end
-struggles making outlet pass's
-takes plenty stupid/untimely penalties
-Lacks hockey IQ

I will admit he skates well, hits hard and has a good shot but the part about playing defence he really struggles at.

[The_Child_Prodigy]

As big a Phaneuf fan as I am, I can agree that those things you stated bluejay he had not done well at UNTIL this year. Phaneuf has been getting mega ice time, he is reading plays alot better and not always going for the big hit, just plays the man each time.

He's average at outlet passes, but he makes up for it by making his own break, he'll crash the net or walk in and fire or set up langkow on top.

Umm he has had 227 PIM in his NHL career, not that bad and he doesnt take stupid penalties, considering of those 227 theres 5 minute magors for fighting so he kills more penalities then he takes.

Umm the only thing he's dumb at is passing the puck on the PP when he should shoot, he has been making all the right decisions this year just not firing on the PP.

In the past years you were right but Keenan has a more defensive Phanuef this year. Phaneuf is rightfully a Norris candidate and its legitimate.

[Griff83]

As big a Phaneuf fan as I am, I can agree that those things you stated bluejay he had not done well at UNTIL this year. Phaneuf has been getting mega ice time, he is reading plays alot better and not always going for the big hit, just plays the man each time.

He's average at outlet passes, but he makes up for it by making his own break, he'll crash the net or walk in and fire or set up langkow on top.

Umm he has had 227 PIM in his NHL career, not that bad and he doesnt take stupid penalties, considering of those 227 theres 5 minute magors for fighting so he kills more penalities then he takes.

Umm the only thing he's dumb at is passing the puck on the PP when he should shoot, he has been making all the right decisions this year just not firing on the PP.

In the past years you were right but Keenan has a more defensive Phanuef this year. Phaneuf is rightfully a Norris candidate and its legitimate.

My whole assesment is on this year alone and he has not done well like you say. He is very shaky with the puck in his own end especially down lo when a opposing player is forechecking, he coughs the puck up numerous times per night.

How does crashing the net or setting up Langkow (2 offensive traits) make up for the fact that he isnt very good at making a outlet pass in his own zone.

Phanuef DOES take stupid penalties where he will high stick someone when he goes to hit them and have seen numerous times he takes penalties when his team is just gaining momentum or late in games which to me is a untimely penaltie.

are you serious about the not shooting on the PP enough comment? Practically all he does is sit back there and one time the puck as soon as it gets to him. Hes been making so many great choices on the PP that its lead them to a well below PP so far.

No sorry, until you can learn to be a well above average defencemen in your own end your not a legimate norris candidate. Again, most people just look at his highlight reel hits and his point totals and assume hes a awesome defencemen, but truth is hes average or worse at the actual defending part of the word.

id rather have Shea Weber, Brent Burns, Brian Campbell and Ryan Suter all before Phanuef. Norris Candidates do all the littles things in there own zone well and at this point Phanuef doesnt.

[The_Child_Prodigy]

No many times on the PP I have watched many games I call Phaneuf for the shot and he passes off, he should shoot but he doesn't. Phaneuf has been way better in his own zone, I don't know what game your watching...not just his hits and his point totals make him a Norris candidate, he has been a beast in his own zone.

Watch more of Phaneuf.

[Griff83]

No many times on the PP I have watched many games I call Phaneuf for the shot and he passes off, he should shoot but he doesn't. Phaneuf has been way better in his own zone, I don't know what game your watching...not just his hits and his point totals make him a Norris candidate, he has been a beast in his own zone.

Watch more of Phaneuf.

Hes a beast physically yes, but he struggles with the puck and makes many silly decisions with it. Ive been watching the games where the Flames cant buy a win on home ice. are these the same games your watching?

You must be joking if you think hes currently a norris candidate.

Lidstrom, Zubov and Pronger are far far better defencemen then Phenuef.

Brent Burns and Shea Weber are both better then Phanuef.

[The_Child_Prodigy]

Funny, I just watched the flames win on home ice live, and Phaneuf scored, dished out hits and played solid defense...

[Griff83]

Funny, I just watched the flames win on home ice live, and Phaneuf scored, dished out hits and played solid defense...

I was waiting for this

Perfect example, He scores a goal and throws a few nice hits the problem is what he did late in the game when it was 2-2. He gets the puck as his team is changing and instead of getting to the redline and dumping it in, he tries to be a hero and rush the puck thru 2 minnesota defencemen and of course gets striiped of the puck and leads Minny to a nice 2 on 1 that almost gave them the lead.

This is my point, smart defencemen like (Lidstrom, Zubov, Pronger) would have never risked it late in game by making a solo rush. It was just a bonehead play and almost cost his team. Not only that, but he was fumbling the puck all over the blueline on the PP also.

Theres no way Phenuf is currently a legit norris candidate. He isnt even close to the player as those 3 guys I mentioned and unless he starts to become better in his own end and make better decisions he will never win the award.

[Griff83]

Phanuef also was at fault on Koivu's goal seeing he got outskated to the puck in the corner by Parrish and then instead of going for the loose puck attempted to hit him and fell and let Parrish cross the puck over for the goal.

Its plays like this that hardly ever get brought up by bias fanboys

[The_Child_Prodigy]

Umm Phaneuf rightly plaayed the man on the first Minny goal and Parrish made a great pass right in front of the net to a wide open Koivu. Not Phaneuf's fault, Parrish had the puck.

I will give you the second goal as I think he could have cleared the puck from in front of the net.

Attempted to hit him? wow he hit him alright.

Phaneuf makes more good plays than bads and the ratio is probably 4:1 which is good. He gives us momentum with his solid hits.

[Griff83]

Umm Phaneuf rightly plaayed the man on the first Minny goal and Parrish made a great pass right in front of the net to a wide open Koivu. Not Phaneuf's fault, Parrish had the puck.

I will give you the second goal as I think he could have cleared the puck from in front of the net.

Attempted to hit him? wow he hit him alright.

Phaneuf makes more good plays than bads and the ratio is probably 4:1 which is good. He gives us momentum with his solid hits.

No after taking Parrish to the boards, he tried to push him again and fell to his knees and that let Parrish cross the puck over to Koivu. If he simply played the loose puck after the first hit there would have been no goal.

can you hook me up with some sort of link that shows a ratio of 4:1 good to bad plays?

again hes nowhere close to a Pronger, Lidstrom or Zubov and the sheer fact that people tout him to be a norris candidate currently is what makes him OVERRATED

[The_Child_Prodigy]

I can't hook you up with a link to the 4:1 ratio but its called using your eyes and watching.

He went for the man which is what is taught for, Parrish made a great play and there's not much you can do about that.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I don't know what BlueJay_ is watching but Dion is a great defensemen. Put him with a Lidstrom, Kabrle, Pronger or Neidmier (sp) and he would be a great player.

[Crowned]

I don't know what BlueJay_ is watching but Dion is a great defensemen. Put him with a Lidstrom, Kabrle, Pronger or Neidmier (sp) and he would be a great player.

In all fairness, you shouldn't have to be paired with an elite defenseman to be considered "great".

A "great" defenseman wouldn't need a HOF calibre player to show their actual abilities.

[The_Child_Prodigy]

Phaneuf is a good defensman Hamrlik got 4.5-5.5 from Montreal because of Dion. Dion wasnt as good but Hamrlik took the second forward and rarely had to protect Dion from a mistake.

[Griff83]

I don't know what BlueJay_ is watching but Dion is a great defensemen. Put him with a Lidstrom, Kabrle, Pronger or Neidmier (sp) and he would be a great player.

what kind of messed up logic is that?!.

Like Crowned said a good/great defencemen will excel no matter who his defence partner is.

[Griff83]

Phaneuf is a good defensman Hamrlik got 4.5-5.5 from Montreal because of Dion. Dion wasnt as good but Hamrlik took the second forward and rarely had to protect Dion from a mistake.

Hamrlik got his contract because of Phanuef? Then you go on to say Hamrlik was better then Phanuef?

The fact you think hes currently a legit norris candidate is a joke.

[The_Child_Prodigy]

Your the only one with beer goggles on..... what the hell how isnt he Norris worthy. And dont give me crap.

And Hamrlik was the trailer with Phaneuf, he rarely had to make the saving play...as a result he got a nice contract.

[Griff83]

Your the only one with beer goggles on..... what the hell how isnt he Norris worthy. And dont give me crap.

And Hamrlik was the trailer with Phaneuf, he rarely had to make the saving play...as a result he got a nice contract.

He isnt norris worthy seeing there are about 7-8 guys who are better then him.

Buddy Hamrlik has been putting up similar stats that he did in Calgary for years and Montreal payed him because they knew he could play in his own end and also give some nice offense to there team (if anything Hamrlik helped mask alot of Phaneufs defensive shortcomings).

again its a joke you actually think Phaneuf could win the Norris currently.