Trade with Cleveland

TheKingLivesOn · Post #1 » by **TheKingLivesOn** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:49 am

• Cleveland Trades: Antawn Jamison, Ramon Sessions, and $3 Million Cash
Cleveland Receives: James Posey, Dahntay Jones, TJ Ford, and 2012 1st Round Pick (Indiana: Top 10 Protected- 2012, Top 8 Protected- 2013, Top 8 Protected- 2014, Top 5 Protected- 2015, Unprotected- 2016)
• Indiana Trades: James Posey, Dahntay Jones, TJ Ford, and 2012 1st Round Pick (Indiana: Top 10 Protected- 2012, Top 8 Protected-2013, Top 8 Protected- 2014, Top 5 Protected 2015, Unprotected- 2016)
Indiana Receives: Antawn Jamison, Ramon Sessions, and $3 Million Cash

Reasons:
o Cleveland Cavaliers: Acquire a 1st Rounder and smaller contracts worth a similar amount.
o Indiana Pacers: Even though they take on Antawn Jamison, they shed significant salary for this and the next year. Jamison can draw double teams away from Hibbert and allow him to be more effective and continue to grow while also providing leadership to younger players like Hansbrough, Stephenson, McRoberts, and Granger. They get rid of TJ Ford which would allow/force O’Brien to play Collison more often. Ramon Sessions is an above average Point Guard that can be a floor general for their bench or serve as a potential trade prospect for this offseason. They still have cap space left to try to make a splash this offseason and will have even more in 2012 if they choose to hold off until then. They can also ensure a spot in the playoffs for this season with this trade while gaining $3 Million in cash. The 1st rounder they give up is heavily protected so it is rather irrelevant given the financial savings/talent upgrade they receive.

Note: Does this work? I excluded Paul George from the trade.. Also took out Jamario Moon to reduce the payroll coming in. Everything else is the same. The 1st rounder is heavily protected. The others are contracts that Indiana wants to get rid of (except Ford who is just there to make salaries match.) Jamison fills an area of need and comes off the books next year. Ramon Sessions replaces the value added by Ford at a cheaper price. The cash is further incentive to facilitate the trade...

Indy2thaWindy · Post #2 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:23 am

I told you this was terrible on the T&T board. Why would you post it here?

Boneman2 · Post #3 » by **Boneman2** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:28 am

TheKingisDead....

Why would Indy do this? Seriously, Antwan has no value here unless it's for Posey/DJones alone. Otherwise, you really think Indy gives you George/expiring/1st for Sessions/Moon/3mill (dealbreaker).

I don't feel the need to provide charity for the Cavs needs.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #4 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:34 am

In a few years Dan Gilbert is gonna be on the side of a road holding up a sign.

TheKingLivesOn · Post #5 » by **TheKingLivesOn** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:55 am

Boneman2 wrote:TheKingisDead....

Why would Indy do this? Seriously, Antwan has no value here unless it's for Posey/DJones alone. Otherwise, you really think Indy gives you George/expiring/1st for Sessions/Moon/3mill (dealbreaker).

I don't feel the need to provide charity for the Cavs needs.

What now? I edited it to exclude the 1st.. Indy saves money, gets further cash, fills a positional need where they are extremely week, get a mentor that can stretch the floor at the 4 spot and draw double teams away from Hibbert. The pacers would significantly improve their production on the offensive end

Indy2thaWindy · Post #6 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:03 am

Jamison has negative value to us. And no way you can have Paul George.

Post #7 » by **Miller4ever** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:33 am

Yeah, we have Posey to deal with, but I'd rather hang on to the expirings and youth that is part of our plan for the future.

TheKingLivesOn · Post #8 » by **TheKingLivesOn** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:17 am

Indy2thaWindy wrote:Jamison has negative value to us. And no way you can have Paul George.

The trade isnt necessarily for savings on your part but rather to get a player that fills a TEAM NEED. The financial relief is just further incentive for you to do this trade.. Cleveland sweetens the pot by taking back players you dont want for a player you need and cash. Jamison > Posey + Jones. The 1st Rounder is heavily protected and gets you $3 million in cash..

Indy2thaWindy · Post #9 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:21 am

Jamison is averaging 16 and 6 on 43% shooting while making $28.4 million over the next two seasons. I don't see how we need him.

Post #10 » by **Miller4ever** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:22 am

Too bad Posey/Jones is no longer the PF rotation.

FreeRon · Post #11 » by **FreeRon** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:25 am

That's actually standard protection if not a little low. Good protection would be lottery protected at LEAST the first year. I still wouldn't even come close to touching this deal. We aren't winning a championship this year. Jamison makes us a little better this year, then we can let him walk and have the same hole or keep him and the salary we shed is gone. On top of that, we had Murphy. If we traded Murphy for a young player, do you really think we're going to turn around and give up a pick and key backups for a similar player?

Post #12 » by **Grang33r** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:27 am

Oh, how the tables have turned.... just a year ago we all were proposing a trade to receive a first round pick from Cleveland packaging Troy Murphy and all the Cavs fans laughed. Now, you want a first and the package is laughable to us.... am i the only one who finds that funny?

TheKingLivesOn · Post #13 » by **TheKingLivesOn** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:47 am

FreeRon wrote:That's actually standard protection if not a little low. Good protection would be lottery protected at LEAST the first year. I still wouldn't even come close to touching this deal. We aren't winning a championship this year. Jamison makes us a little better this year, then we can let him walk and have the same hole or keep him and the salary we shed is gone. On top of that, we had Murphy. If we traded Murphy for a young player, do you really think we're going to turn around and give up a pick and key backups for a similar player?

Jamison is a positional need. You traded murphy to fill a positional need at Point Guard while hoping McRoberts and Hansbrough could fill the hole which didnt happen.

And Key Backups? Ramon Sessions is by most accounts a more valuable player than TJ Ford or at least possesses the same value as him. Dahntay Jones has played a total of 57 minutes this entire season so he is hardly a valuable player. Jamison is significantly better than Posey and doesnt cost you that much considering that Cavs also take back the contract of Jones, give you $3 Million in Cash, and fill a gaping need at the 4. They will secure a playoff spot and finish as a higher seed than they would otherwise. The 1 year left on Jamison's contract allows more time for Hansbrough and McRoberts to grow under Jamison so once his contract expires, you would have them fill in for him rather than suffer for the next 2 years with the defensively abissmal rotation of Hansbrough and McRoberts at the 4. Its really not as bad of a trade as Pacer fans are making it out to be imo..

TheKingLivesOn · Post #14 » by **TheKingLivesOn** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:50 am

Grang33r wrote:Oh, how the tables have turned.... just a year ago we all were proposing a trade to receive a first round pick from Cleveland packaging Troy Murphy and all the Cavs fans laughed. Now, you want a first and the package is laughable to us.... am i the only one who finds that funny?

Cavs fans were opposed to the inclusion of Hickson in that trade.. Not a 1st Rounder as far as I am aware. But if it came down to Murphy or Jamison I would've still acquired Jamison since he is and was a superior player..

Indy2thaWindy · Post #15 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:50 am

Hansbrough has been decent when he plays. I don't think you know what your talkin about, but only here to defend your trade. You're probably not going to be able to convine anybody that this is a good trade for us.

TheKingLivesOn · Post #16 » by **TheKingLivesOn** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:33 am

Indy2thaWindy wrote:Hansbrough has been decent when he plays. I don't think you know what your talkin about, but only here to defend your trade. You're probably not going to be able to convine anybody that this is a good trade for us.

Even though I am a Cleveland fan, I have been a huge supporter of Hansbrough since the day he got drafted and was confident he'd play well. I also know of his recent play since the benching of Josh McRoberts. He is playing very well right now but he alone cannot make up for your lack of big bodies on the frontline. Its fine if you dont want to do the trade though.. I understand if you dont value Jamison or just dont see him as a good fit on your team

Boneman2 · Post #17 » by **Boneman2** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:46 am

^^^I told you I'd do DJones and Posey for Antwan. The benefit for Cleveland is obviously splitting a large deal into two smaller ones. I also think both would play a role in Cleveland, solid defenders.

If the Pacers must pay the salary, we might as well uprgrade our weakest position. I think the NCarolina duo at the 4 might be an upgrade over our current makeup.

The Pacers will never give away young potential for a has-been.

Atleast with my counter-offer, we're both mutually sh*^$ing on each other. I see know reason to reward Cleveland for dumping on us, but rather, it has to be reciprocal.

Starkiller · Post #18 » by **Starkiller** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:51 pm

Unless you are pretty much giving us Jamison for peanuts, I don't want him.

Post #19 » by **Grang33r** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:49 pm

Cavs in for Gerald Wallace... http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... cats011411

Post #20 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:03 pm

For the production they would provide, Jamison is only marginally worth more than Posey to us. Certainly not worth more that we would give up a lightly protected 1st rounder, and especially not enough to cause us to give up Paul George.

Posey/Dahntay/Ford for Jamison/Moon/Powe? Indy buys out Powe as just filler. Moon is simply expiring filler. Basically, Indy takes on around $3 million of salary next year in Jamison, while Cleveland gets to split Jamison's large deal into two smaller ones. I can't see Indy offering up any more than that, but I also understand if Cleveland wouldn't want to do it either.