Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread

[Waylon Mercy]

Perry Jones at his size with his athleticism guarding NBA SF's is tantalizing...

[OAKLEY_2]

Someone mentioned a deal for Jeff Green although they undervalued what it would take to get it done. Since our draft position and a possible lockout all loom large isn't it quite possible we could trade our pick along with someone like Davis to get a more seasoned package? From the OKC roster I could see us going after Jeff Green, Latavious Williams and Daequean Cook. That would mean eventual roster deletions for all of Davis, Reggie, Weems and Barbosa. I don't see Bayless falling into the Barbosa role but an extended Cook could do that. I think Green helps us get back to respectability in a very big way and in a time frame that has the MLSEL (no time like the present) blessing. Green would be without a doubt our best player going forward.

So here is the deal.
Jeff Green, Latavious Williams, Daequaen Cook for
2011 lotto pick, Ed Davis, Leandro Barbosa,

We should put our "green" on Green.

[Reignman]

Someone mentioned a deal for Jeff Green although they undervalued what it would take to get it done. Since our draft position and a possible lockout all loom large isn't it quite possible we could trade our pick along with someone like Davis to get a more seasoned package? From the OKC roster I could see us going after Jeff Green, Latavious Williams and Daequean Cook. That would mean eventual roster deletions for all of Davis, Reggie, Weems and Barbosa. I don't see Bayless falling into the Barbosa role but an extended Cook could do that. I think Green helps us get back to respectability in a very big way and in a time frame that has the MLSEL (no time like the present) blessing. Green would be without a doubt our best player going forward.

So here is the deal.
Jeff Green, Latavious Williams, Daequaen Cook for
2011 lotto pick, Ed Davis, Leandro Barbosa,

We should put our "green" on Green.

Hell no, are you crazy? Forget everything else, how do you explain us giving up our 2011 lotto pick (probably top 5) AND Ed Davis (high defensive potential / rookie scale) for Green who is about to get a big extension?

I'd barf if this happened and I actually like Green.

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ yeah there's absolutely no way I'd do that. I don't understand why so many Raps fans seem willing to give up Ed for marginal return. Our pick on top of that is just crazy. The only players I'd realistically be interested in trading for from OKC are Harden and Aldrich (and I doubt I'd give up Ed for either, possibly our pick if it had the right protection on it). If we want Green, we just wait till the offseason and offer him a contract

[flatjacket1]

So here is the deal.
Jeff Green, Latavious Williams, Daequaen Cook for
2011 lotto pick, Ed Davis, Leandro Barbosa,

We should put our "green" on Green.

Hell no, are you crazy? Forget everything else, how do you explain us giving up our 2011 lotto pick (probably top 5) AND Ed Davis (high defensive potential / rookie scale) for Green who is about to get a big extension?

I'd barf if this happened and I actually like Green.

- Pick won't be top 5
- Ed Davis has potential, but so did Adam Morrison and Darko. (Potential is overrated)

Other than that, I agree with you that this deal is still completely crazy. We could do pick and Barb for Green, or Ed and protected pick but that package is unbelievable.

[Reignman]

So here is the deal.
Jeff Green, Latavious Williams, Daequaen Cook for
2011 lotto pick, Ed Davis, Leandro Barbosa,

We should put our "green" on Green.

Hell no, are you crazy? Forget everything else, how do you explain us giving up our 2011 lotto pick (probably top 5) AND Ed Davis (high defensive potential / rookie scale) for Green who is about to get a big extension?

I'd barf if this happened and I actually like Green.

- Pick won't be top 5
- Ed Davis has potential, but so did Adam Morrison and Darko. (Potential is overrated)

Other than that, I agree with you that this deal is still completely crazy. We could do pick and Barb for Green, or Ed and protected pick but that package is unbelievable.

Based on what? We're bottom 7 as we speak and after Saturday's b2b game against Was we have a brutal schedule all the way through to the end of Feb. We might be bottom 3 by then.

And Green is putting up 15/5 on 42% shooting. If you're going after him you're going after "potential" as well.

[DreamTeam09]

Everytime I get excited about the season ending and us knowing where we are going to draft, the potential lockout just brings me right back down to earth.

[flatjacket1]

Based on what? We're bottom 7 as we speak and after Saturday's b2b game against Was we have a brutal schedule all the way through to the end of Feb. We might be bottom 3 by then.

And Green is putting up 15/5 on 42% shooting. If you're going after him you're going after "potential" as well.

We lost so many chippies and are one of the better teams in the pack. I would predict outside top 5. We are 3 games out of the playoffs, and 5 games out of worst record, and I would argue we have been under performing so far.

Jeff Green = Defense. In 33 games this year he has shot the lowest percentage out of every year. He has shown hes better than those numbers, and its strictly a result of variance. There is no way he regressed. Expect him to hang around 45%, even though a large diet of those misses come off 3's. He's attempted 128 3's so far.

[Rhettmatic]

Based on what? We're bottom 7 as we speak and after Saturday's b2b game against Was we have a brutal schedule all the way through to the end of Feb. We might be bottom 3 by then.

And Green is putting up 15/5 on 42% shooting. If you're going after him you're going after "potential" as well.

We lost so many chippies and are one of the better teams in the pack. I would predict outside top 5. We are 3 games out of the playoffs, and 5 games out of worst record, and I would argue we have been under performing so far.

Jeff Green = Defense. In 33 games this year he has shot the lowest percentage out of every year. He has shown hes better than those numbers, and its strictly a result of variance. There is no way he regressed. Expect him to hang around 45%, even though a large diet of those misses come off 3's. He's attempted 128 3's so far.

Jeff Green's defence is nothing special, at all. He's mediocre and on a terrible defensive team like ours, might look worse.

He's also shown no offensive improvement whatsoever the past few years. I'd be fine signing him to a reasonable deal in the off-season but trading Davis AND our pick for him? Horrible idea.

[flatjacket1]

but trading Davis AND our pick for him? Horrible idea.

Lottery protected though

[Wo1verine]

but trading Davis AND our pick for him? Horrible idea.

Lottery protected though

If it's Lottery Protected, I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.

[OAKLEY_2]

I am usually for not trading picks no matter what. Especially someone like Davis. However OKC has Durant and Harden and Green while he gets tons of minutes he is playing in the Durant shadow. If you read about Green's college career and look at his pro numbers yes I would deal a lotto protected, Davis and Barbosa hell I'll throw in the Miami pick because OKC is not going to want to give him the big money. We can. He could be a legit franchise player and leader. Correct me if I'm wrong but if we let Peja, and Reggie expire we would have the dough to re-up Green. What player that we might have a legit shot at would have as much impact as Green? I cannot think of one.

Revised
Lotto protected 1st, Miami first, Ed Davis and Leandro Barbosa
for
Jeff Green, Latavious Williams and Daequan Cook

Deal?

[Rhettmatic]

I am usually for not trading picks no matter what. Especially someone like Davis. However OKC has Durant and Harden and Green while he gets tons of minutes he is playing in the Durant shadow. If you read about Green's college career and look at his pro numbers yes I would deal a lotto protected, Davis and Barbosa hell I'll throw in the Miami pick because OKC is not going to want to give him the big money. We can. He could be a legit franchise player and leader. Correct me if I'm wrong but if we let Peja, and Reggie expire we would have the dough to re-up Green. What player that we might have a legit shot at would have as much impact as Green? I cannot think of one.

Revised
Lotto protected 1st, Miami first, Ed Davis and Leandro Barbosa
for
Jeff Green, Latavious Williams and Daequan Cook

Deal?

No, not as far as I'm concerned.

I'm curious why you think Jeff Green is a franchise player? Seems to me you're overrating him by a mile.

[DreamTeam09]

^^ I'd consider that deal without giving up our pick. Once again you would have to believe that Green can take his game to a next level. I'm bout 50/50 on that ri now, he'll get better yes, taking his game to another level is another question.

[flatjacket1]

Jeff Green could be a cornerstone, which is worth Ed Davis and a lottery protected pick.

Adding Barbosa would not make any sense, several playoff teams could add him and are willing to part with cap relief and picks to do so. Ed Davis and a protected pick.

OKC needs more bigs and Ed will fit there. Anybody who thinks there is a good chance of Ed Davis surpassing Jeff Green's talent level is crazy. There is a chance(below 50% imo), but if he became that equivalent I would call it a success.

[Reignman]

I am usually for not trading picks no matter what. Especially someone like Davis. However OKC has Durant and Harden and Green while he gets tons of minutes he is playing in the Durant shadow. If you read about Green's college career and look at his pro numbers yes I would deal a lotto protected, Davis and Barbosa hell I'll throw in the Miami pick because OKC is not going to want to give him the big money. We can. He could be a legit franchise player and leader. Correct me if I'm wrong but if we let Peja, and Reggie expire we would have the dough to re-up Green. What player that we might have a legit shot at would have as much impact as Green? I cannot think of one.

Revised
Lotto protected 1st, Miami first, Ed Davis and Leandro Barbosa
for
Jeff Green, Latavious Williams and Daequan Cook

Deal?

Man, you're still giving up a lot for Jeff Green. Considering he's up for a big extension and hasn't exactly proven himself, I think Ed Davis on his own is enough value.

[Rhettmatic]

Well, maybe someone could just explain to me what they see in Jeff Green that could possibly make them think he's a franchise player.

I'll tell you why I think he's not:

- His defence is fine, but not exceptional or even above average
- His offensive production has stalled, even regressed slightly, over the past three years. I do not see how someone who hasn't shown any meaningful signs of improvement since his sophomore year is going to make the leap to franchise-player status
- His career PER is 12.8, which is actually lower than DeMar DeRozan's at this point

And, while this is hardly a dealbreaker, he was absolutely terrible in his first playoff series. Seriously, posted an 8.6 PER, shot 32.9% from the field.

He's turning 25 this year and could be a nice pickup this summer if we could pry him away from OKC with a semi-reasonable deal. But I do not see franchise player potential, nor can I understand why some of you want to trade a promising 21-year-old big man plus multiple draft picks to try to bring him in, especially since he's an RFA this summer.

Honestly, I think some of you are vastly overrating Jeff Green because of where he was drafted.

[Reignman]

Jeff Green could be a cornerstone, which is worth Ed Davis and a lottery protected pick.

Adding Barbosa would not make any sense, several playoff teams could add him and are willing to part with cap relief and picks to do so. Ed Davis and a protected pick.

OKC needs more bigs and Ed will fit there. Anybody who thinks there is a good chance of Ed Davis surpassing Jeff Green's talent level is crazy. There is a chance(below 50% imo), but if he became that equivalent I would call it a success.

Ed Davis "could be" as much of a "cornerstone" as Jeff Green. I'd probably add the Miami pick but that's as far as I'd go.

[flatjacket1]

Jeff Green could be a cornerstone, which is worth Ed Davis and a lottery protected pick.

Adding Barbosa would not make any sense, several playoff teams could add him and are willing to part with cap relief and picks to do so. Ed Davis and a protected pick.

OKC needs more bigs and Ed will fit there. Anybody who thinks there is a good chance of Ed Davis surpassing Jeff Green's talent level is crazy. There is a chance(below 50% imo), but if he became that equivalent I would call it a success.

Ed Davis "could be" as much of a "cornerstone" as Jeff Green. I'd probably add the Miami pick but that's as far as I'd go.

Jeff Green becoming a cornerstone is a lot shorter of a path than Ed Davis. Ed does have as good potential as any other 19 year old, and Green is on the cusp of being that type of a player.

In a situation like this I see him doing better than he is at OKC. Hes struggling this year.

[Rapsobsessed7]

if you want Jeff Green, wait till the off-season. Offer him around 10-12 million a year and IMO you easily have him. No way can the Thunder match and have Westbrook + Harden extensions next year.