[Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7

[Jmonty580]

I feel this situation is definitely going to get into February. If Melo can even be sold on NJ it's not going to happen in the first meeting. This deal is going to sit on the table with agent hammering Melo to sign right up until something else happens.

If he folds right away I'd be very blown away that he could be so weak willed because I know he has a strong preference right now. It will be hard to make that shift so it won't be finished quickly. As much as being the man in the new arena, with everything built around him will sound good.... sure it will 'sound' good.

With the Knicks he knows his team elevates to a top 2-3 team in the east for the next 5 years with a chance to make it to the finals in any of those seasons along the way. He knows he'll become iconic and partner with Amar'e as the face of the franchise. He'll have a chance to become a legend in NY, a chance to get his number retired.

With the Nets he knows that he'll again be depended upon as the reason why his team makes the playoffs every season and barely a top 8 team in the east. He knows every year the question will be has the organization done enough to surround him with talent. He knows he'll always be on the stepchild franchise in the NY area. He'll be lucky if he doesn't have to finish his career a Net.

At first it will 'sound' good..... I just hope he comes to his senses before he makes a mistake.

Exactly. The nets are where we were last summer, only we actually got a star in to help us become at least a playoff team, NJ didnt. Why? Part of that is because we are NY and they are well... not us lol. Now we want to take yet another step. Lets see, take a team to the top in NY? or help get a team off the bottom in NJ (soon to be 2nd class NY team)? Hmmm, this is a tough decision.

[K_ick_God]

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"Sell me on New Jersey" pretty much sounds to me like a formality.

The only way he holds firm is if he already has made up his mind that NJ is not where he wants to be.

"Sell me" kind of sounds like someone making it seem like he cares about winning but is ready to cave.

i might be wrong, but i dont see anywhere in there a direct quote from melo saying, "sell me on nj" in fact the headline has almost nothing to do with the article lol

what the guy wrote is just a rehash of whats happened/been speculated and more speculation. these guys just see this an opportunity to hit their quota of articles and hits by rehashing the same ish with a new headline.

im assuming you were referring to this write up http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... nets011411

True I noticed that too.

And there is a big difference. If Melo is telling his friends "I want to see if they can send me to the Knicks and then we'll worry about the Nets" or "I haven't ruled it out but I don't see how the Nets have a good future" ... that is very different from "OK sell me."

All about his mindset.

At the very least, there seems a decent chance that Melo will say "Not now, not until February will I even consider the Nets." That would explain, and I think does explain, why he said earlier this week that he didn't think any Nets trade would happen this week.

[AllanHoustonFan]

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Sense I'm getting is the Knicks are extremely hesitant give up Wilson Chandler AND Landry Fields in Carmelo scenarios.

[K_ick_God]

He denied DA's questions last night. It's pretty obvious he has no desire to play there. Would you? Playing with Billups, Hamilton, bunch of scrubs and a center that rebounds like a guard?

What do you mean he denied DA's questions?

[aggo]

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Sense I'm getting is the Knicks are extremely hesitant give up Wilson Chandler AND Landry Fields in Carmelo scenarios.

wow if WC is involved that must mean a third team is in it

[delvec19]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
DEN has no interest in OJ Mayo, source says, so NYK has to go back to the drawing board.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
DEN has no interest in OJ Mayo, source says, so NYK has to go back to the drawing board.

[cgmw]

This is simply wrong. You have been ignoring it though several people already called this out. By signing the extension, Melo agrees to be paid 83 million for the next four years. If max years/max salary does not change in the new CBA, he can opt out and sign a 6 year/120 million contract. So he is risking a potential 37 million dollars by signing the contract.

If. I'm ignoring people? Really???? How is this so complicated? It's a guarantee vs. an if.

[Jmonty580]

lol they dont want mayo? They like the knicks players, they just dont want to admit it yet. They are going to try and rape us of 3 of our 4 (Gallo, Chandler, Fields, AR), before they settle for two and some cap relief.

[K_ick_God]

KG, I know deep down in inside you don't believe a word you just said. You really think he is just gonna go in there and cave in? Even Chris Broussard on the radio this morning said his personality won't allow that to happen. He is a strong person and he won't do anything he doesn't wanna do.

All about whether he's intrigued by Nets or not. He may want to keep them as an option, but the way you keep a pretty unattractive girl as a backup to a backup kind of thing.

If he's really willing to hear the Nets out, I think that's a bad sign. But if he's like "Not yet, not now, keep working the Knicks" ... that's a different story altogether.

Spears story is accurate on its face, I believe, but the key is what exactly Melo means. Is he leaning toward "Sell me, I want to hear the plan on how you are going to win with me" or is it "I know you suck, and I know everybody is trying to push me to a bad team -- I want to hold off, although I won't rule you out just yet."

Those two things can be described the same way ("Sell me") but are two totally different approaches with two very different likely outcomes.

[god shammgod]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
DEN has no interest in OJ Mayo, source says, so NYK has to go back to the drawing board.

i have to think this is about number of years left on a rookie deal and not talent then. the problem is not many teams will give up on first year lottery players. we need to just take al.

[aggo]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
DEN has no interest in OJ Mayo, source says, so NYK has to go back to the drawing board.

i have to think this is about number of years left on a rookie deal and not talent then. the problem is not many teams will give up on first year lottery players. we need to just take al.

well if this is the case then why would they want gallo either then?

[stuporman]

I feel this situation is definitely going to get into February. If Melo can even be sold on NJ it's not going to happen in the first meeting. This deal is going to sit on the table with agent hammering Melo to sign right up until something else happens.

If he folds right away I'd be very blown away that he could be so weak willed because I know he has a strong preference right now. It will be hard to make that shift so it won't be finished quickly. As much as being the man in the new arena, with everything built around him will sound good.... sure it will 'sound' good.

With the Knicks he knows his team elevates to a top 2-3 team in the east for the next 5 years with a chance to make it to the finals in any of those seasons along the way. He knows he'll become iconic and partner with Amar'e as the face of the franchise. He'll have a chance to become a legend in NY, a chance to get his number retired.

With the Nets he knows that he'll again be depended upon as the reason why his team makes the playoffs every season and barely a top 8 team in the east. He knows every year the question will be has the organization done enough to surround him with talent. He knows he'll always be on the stepchild franchise in the NY area. He'll be lucky if he doesn't have to finish his career a Net.

At first it will 'sound' good..... I just hope he comes to his senses before he makes a mistake.

Exactly. The nets are where we were last summer, only we actually got a star in to help us become at least a playoff team, NJ didnt. Why? Part of that is because we are NY and they are well... not us lol. Now we want to take yet another step. Lets see, take a team to the top in NY? or help get a team off the bottom in NJ (soon to be 2nd class NY team)? Hmmm, this is a tough decision.

The situations are actually very different. The Knicks were bad but were using players they were not planning on keeping and some they were just plain glad to get rid of. Now they are winning with players they are keeping and want to build on. Even after a trade they'd be a playoff team core he'd be joining.

The players that the Nets are losing with the past two season? This is their 'future' and the players they were hoping to build around... that is... the ones they'll be allowed to keep after the trade..... very different scenarios. I would suspect they'll win up with very different results, too....

[j4remi]

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Sense I'm getting is the Knicks are extremely hesitant give up Wilson Chandler AND Landry Fields in Carmelo scenarios.

I would be too.

[Jmonty580]

KG, I know deep down in inside you don't believe a word you just said. You really think he is just gonna go in there and cave in? Even Chris Broussard on the radio this morning said his personality won't allow that to happen. He is a strong person and he won't do anything he doesn't wanna do.

All about whether he's intrigued by Nets or not. He may want to keep them as an option, but the way you keep a pretty unattractive girl as a backup to a backup kind of thing.

If he's really willing to hear the Nets out, I think that's a bad sign. But if he's like "Not yet, not now, keep working the Knicks" ... that's a different story altogether.

Spears story is accurate on its face, I believe, but the key is what exactly Melo means. Is he leaning toward "Sell me, I want to hear the plan on how you are going to win with me" or is it "I know you suck, and I know everybody is trying to push me to a bad team -- I want to hold off, although I won't rule you out just yet."

Those two things can be described the same way ("Sell me") but are two totally different approaches with two very different likely outcomes.

In my head those two things mean the same thing. If he wants to win, he knows NJ sucks, but he has to leave options open. Hey, I dont believe you can win with me, i dont think we become a championship team but sell it to me, maybe I'm missing something, help me see what you see I want to be excited too. He's goes in expecting them to open his eyes and pull him on board yet he knows in the back of his mind that they better have some master plan to land me. Depending on what they say he either accepts or declines. The odds are stacked against them, i dont see what they can pitch to him to get him excited about joining their team. Only time will tell.

[shtolky]

Guys, don't you get it, they don't want Mayo, or Chandler, or Gallo, or Fields, they want the franchise level rookie who averages 6 and 5 on a sub 10 win team. Hall of Fame potential!!!

[NYman15]

Uh-oh

[Pharmcat]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
DEN has no interest in OJ Mayo, source says, so NYK has to go back to the drawing board.

thats not good

[CHARLYMURPHY]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
DEN has no interest in OJ Mayo, source says, so NYK has to go back to the drawing board.

i have to think this is about number of years left on a rookie deal and not talent then. the problem is not many teams will give up on first year lottery players. we need to just take al.

Well thats not surprising to see DEN having no interest in O.J Mayo, they already have JR and Affalo.

And theirs no way i take Harrington with Melo no matter what we give up. I dont want that bum back here, especially for the next 4 years. If Harrington comes here the most i would be willing to give up is Curry.

[god shammgod]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
DEN has no interest in OJ Mayo, source says, so NYK has to go back to the drawing board.

i have to think this is about number of years left on a rookie deal and not talent then. the problem is not many teams will give up on first year lottery players. we need to just take al.

well if this is the case then why would they want gallo either then?

they don't. they don't like our pieces.