[Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7

[cgmw]

Guys, don't you get it, they don't want Mayo, or Chandler, or Gallo, or Fields, they want the franchise level rookie who averages 6 and 5 on a sub 10 win team. Hall of Fame potential!!!

Yeah. Right. And I don't want a bj from Angelina Jolie.

[seren]

This is simply wrong. You have been ignoring it though several people already called this out. By signing the extension, Melo agrees to be paid 83 million for the next four years. If max years/max salary does not change in the new CBA, he can opt out and sign a 6 year/120 million contract. So he is risking a potential 37 million dollars by signing the contract.

If. I'm ignoring people? Really???? How is this so complicated? It's a guarantee vs. an if.

Not really. In your eyes he would be giving up 83 million. That is as if he would play for the big minimum. That is not the case at all.

In one scenario, he would be giving up 37 million if everything stays the same. In another scenario he would be giving up 20-30 million if owners get what they want. Overall, signing a contract is as much a risk as not signing it. I am not even mentioning the probability of the league cutting back on signed contracts. Then he would be losing on both money as well as the years.

[aggo]

so its clear the denver just wants guys on first year in on their rookie contracts so that they dont have to resign them soon. if they dont awnt mayo or gallo this must be the only real logical explanation.

their mindset must be like

oh look! favors! third pick! rookie! we want

[Fury]

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Sense I'm getting is the Knicks are extremely hesitant give up Wilson Chandler AND Landry Fields in Carmelo scenarios.

I would be too.

Good. I say see if we can make a deal for Mayo without giving up the big 3 2ndary edition and go from there. A team with Felton, Fields, Chandler, Gallo, Amare, and Mayo is awesome and still has the potential of Carmelo joining.

[god shammgod]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
DEN has no interest in OJ Mayo, source says, so NYK has to go back to the drawing board.

i have to think this is about number of years left on a rookie deal and not talent then. the problem is not many teams will give up on first year lottery players. we need to just take al.

Well thats not surprising to see DEN having no interest in O.J Mayo, they already have JR and Affalo.

And theirs no way i take Harrington with Melo no matter what we give up. I dont want that bum back here, especially for the next 4 years. If Harrington comes here the most i would be willing to give up is Curry.

would you rather give up chandler & fields or take al and give up gallo & ar. me i think adding salary is less important then keeping talent. it's a no brainer really.

[delvec19]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
Sources say NJN/DEN talks, at this re-heated stage, don't include Harrington. Fourth team willing to absorb Al's contract not yet been found

[Jmonty580]

I feel this situation is definitely going to get into February. If Melo can even be sold on NJ it's not going to happen in the first meeting. This deal is going to sit on the table with agent hammering Melo to sign right up until something else happens.

If he folds right away I'd be very blown away that he could be so weak willed because I know he has a strong preference right now. It will be hard to make that shift so it won't be finished quickly. As much as being the man in the new arena, with everything built around him will sound good.... sure it will 'sound' good.

With the Knicks he knows his team elevates to a top 2-3 team in the east for the next 5 years with a chance to make it to the finals in any of those seasons along the way. He knows he'll become iconic and partner with Amar'e as the face of the franchise. He'll have a chance to become a legend in NY, a chance to get his number retired.

With the Nets he knows that he'll again be depended upon as the reason why his team makes the playoffs every season and barely a top 8 team in the east. He knows every year the question will be has the organization done enough to surround him with talent. He knows he'll always be on the stepchild franchise in the NY area. He'll be lucky if he doesn't have to finish his career a Net.

At first it will 'sound' good..... I just hope he comes to his senses before he makes a mistake.

Exactly. The nets are where we were last summer, only we actually got a star in to help us become at least a playoff team, NJ didnt. Why? Part of that is because we are NY and they are well... not us lol. Now we want to take yet another step. Lets see, take a team to the top in NY? or help get a team off the bottom in NJ (soon to be 2nd class NY team)? Hmmm, this is a tough decision.

The situations are actually very different. The Knicks were bad but were using players they were not planning on keeping and some they were just plain glad to get rid of. Now they are winning with players they are keeping and want to build on. Even after a trade they'd be a playoff team core he'd be joining.

The players that the Nets are losing with the past two season? This is their 'future' and the players they were hoping to build around... that is... the ones they'll be allowed to keep after the trade..... very different scenarios. I would suspect they'll win up with very different results, too....

I can agree with that. AND NJ would be losing some of their valuable core players needed to surround Melo to make them a playoff team. We didnt lose any of our core players in order to land Amare. And we wouldnt lose too much in aquiring Melo that would put us in a hole deeper than Melo would way more than make up for imo.

[CHARLYMURPHY]

I have no idea what 3rd team would get involved now. This isent looking good.

[god shammgod]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
Sources say NJN/DEN talks, at this re-heated stage, don't include Harrington. Fourth team willing to absorb Al's contract not yet been found

this is what i mean. if we were willing to take al i think we could do this on the cheap. wake up donnie

[AllanHoustonFan]

I tell you what. If Denver doesn't want Mayo then idk what we can do. Melo needs to control his own destiny at this point.

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
Sources say NJN/DEN talks, at this re-heated stage, don't include Harrington. Fourth team willing to absorb Al's contract not yet been found

[knicks9784]

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
DEN has no interest in OJ Mayo, source says, so NYK has to go back to the drawing board.

i have to think this is about number of years left on a rookie deal and not talent then. the problem is not many teams will give up on first year lottery players. we need to just take al.

well if this is the case then why would they want gallo either then?

the thing i dont get, they're willing to take on harris's contract when they have ty lawson, but dont want to take a mayo, gallo, or chandler, because they have to pay them???? umm then why do they want harris?? in my mind fields is our favors, then the other guy would be the equivalent to harris, who makes a boatload for a number of more years. so why would they be so afraid of taking on a younger player and paying him for a position they need as opposed to a position they dont need since they love lawson there?

[shtolky]

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Sense I'm getting is the Knicks are extremely hesitant give up Wilson Chandler AND Landry Fields in Carmelo scenarios.

I would be too.

Good. I say see if we can make a deal for Mayo without giving up the big 3 2ndary edition and go from there. A team with Felton, Fields, Chandler, Gallo, Amare, and Mayo is awesome and still has the potential of Carmelo joining.

Scoring is not the issue for this team. Melo would be a bonus (albeit an amazing bonus). Option 1 is clearly to get him without giving up the core. If not...fine, we still have assets and 16M in cap room. Not the end of the world if he doesn't come here, but great if he does, at the right price. Let Denver get Favors and picks and be a 30 win team like we were for 10 years. NJ won't be much better off with that awful backcourt and 6 rpg center.

[MKCATL]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
Sources say NJN/DEN talks, at this re-heated stage, don't include Harrington. Fourth team willing to absorb Al's contract not yet been found

Lol, I can't wait for it to fall apart this time. Denver will never accept cause then if Melo says No bye bye NJ

[knicks9784]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
Sources say NJN/DEN talks, at this re-heated stage, don't include Harrington. Fourth team willing to absorb Al's contract not yet been found

Lol, I can't wait for it to fall apart this time. Denver will never accept cause then if Melo says No bye bye NJ

yup, its gonna be imminent, then denver decides they need to move harrington again, trade on hold lol

[AllanHoustonFan]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
Update 2: NJN part owner Jay-Z could meet w/Melo early next week to sell extension but sense is Melo will want/need to meet w/Prokhorov, too

[knicks9784]

STEIN_LINE_HQ Marc Stein
Update 2: NJN part owner Jay-Z could meet w/Melo early next week to sell extension but sense is Melo will want/need to meet w/Prokhorov, too

lol jay-z owns like 2% of the nets, im sure he's gonna be pushing REAL hard to get melo there since it will benefit his bank roll soooo much. the guy doesnt care about the nets, if he did he would own the whole team, god knows he can easily afford it.

[cgmw]

This is simply wrong. You have been ignoring it though several people already called this out. By signing the extension, Melo agrees to be paid 83 million for the next four years. If max years/max salary does not change in the new CBA, he can opt out and sign a 6 year/120 million contract. So he is risking a potential 37 million dollars by signing the contract.

If. I'm ignoring people? Really???? How is this so complicated? It's a guarantee vs. an if.

Not really. In your eyes he would be giving up 83 million. That is as if he would play for the big minimum. That is not the case at all.

In one scenario, he would be giving up 37 million if everything stays the same. In another scenario he would be giving up 20-30 million if owners get what they want. Overall, signing a contract is as much a risk as not signing it. I am not even mentioning the probability of the league cutting back on signed contracts. Then he would be losing on both money as well as the years.

Dude, no. In my eyes he's giving up a guarantee for a maybe. That's it. All of your scenarios involve a big fat "if" that nobody (least of all you) can speak about with any certainty. Look, unless you know something the rest of the NBA doesn't, there's just no guaranteeing what MIGHT happen. Disagree with me all you want, but there is exactly one way that Carmelo gets his guaranteed money. And that's by accepting a deal before the current CBA expires. Anything after that is conjecture. Not a guarantee.

I feel like Ben Afleck in "Good Will Hunting" when he shows up in a suit for the job interview. I feel like a big (Please Use More Appropriate Word) screaming "Retainer!" But anyway you slice it, it's true. Carmelo only has one way of getting his guaranteed full extension.

[knicks742]

Jay Z owns 1 percent of the club, if I were Melo, I wouldn't even bother talking to him.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Jay Z owns 1 percent of the club, if I were Melo, I wouldn't even bother talking to him.

Exactly. The whole Jay-Z allure is freaking overrated. He has no say on what goes on in that organization.

[shtolky]

Jay Z is there for PR reasons. He is buddies with Lebron and did that help? And what, Prok is going to speak to Melo in broken english, saying how they will win a championship in 5 years? With what, Rip and Billups and no cap room? Please...