[Camelo Thread Part 9] - OJ to DEN, Melo to NY? Pg 7

[CrazyKnicks]

Kerber: Expect Deal To Be Finalized Tuesday and 'Melo in Nets Uniform Friday
by Net Income on Jan 14, 2011 2:33 PM EST


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It's 90 to 95 per cent done, a source tells Fred Kerber. So optimistic are the Nets, he writes, that the team has a schedule that it hopes will put Carmelo Anthony in a Nets uniform vs. the Pistons next Friday.

"The deal could be agreed to principle before Tuesday, then finalized later next week. If completed, Anthony is expected to meet with Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov on Tuesday or Wednesday," he writes. "One person directly involved in the trade scenario suggested that if all goes as planned and the deal is finalized, Anthony could play his first game for the Nets next Friday against the Pistons."

@netsdaily

If this happens, if you look at it when it's all set and done. We'll still have a better team than the Nets, they gave up all their assets to get Melo meanwhile we straight up singed Amare and kept everyone. We still have our cap space, more picks and our core and therefore a lot more flexibility to improve. Saw a breakdown on the Nets board the other day of how the Nets would look like post-trade and it's not scary at all, even Net fans hated it.

If Melo signs that extension with NJ, then you got to wonder what was the point of leaving Denver then?

[KNIXFAN_83]

I want Melo to go to NJ already. I'm tired of these cocky melo nut huggers that claimed that the Nets had absolutely no shot. This yankee mentality has really messed up some people , seriously.

Well I don't think it was cocky more so logical. If melo was thinking about signing with the 2002 nets roster then i can see even knicks fans saying thats a better move. I just also think its F'd up too because if the nets were 22-16 and the knicks were 10-28 i feel the media would be saying melo is crazy for excepting a trade to the knicks and there would be a lot of knick bashing. I listened to fratelo and marc justify for like 5 minutes why going to nets would be good and how they can still make the playoffs. I know for a fact if that was about the knicks people would question this move big time. NY is the ones who get the shaft usually.

[Knicksman780]

If melo goes to NJ, then oh well...the Nets will be at least 3 years away from being relevant anyway. Melo will probably be frustrated but hey, his agent will be happy and that's all that matters, right? LOL.
Marbury made the same mistake when he wanted out of Minnesota. He thought that going to NJ was the same as going "home"...NY will always be the Knicks, Yankees, Giants and Rangers. Sure, the other teams have their fans...but those teams I mentioned own the media...and I think part of the reason Melo wants to be in NY so that he can get all the attention that comes with it.

My personal opinion is...if he couldn't win with a roster that is MUCH better than NJ, what makes him think that the Nets will be winners in the forseeable future, epecially since they are getting rid of a lot of their assets to get him. Melo and Brook Lopez doesn't scare any teams out there.

[atribecalledrch]

Ok so there a million articles pointing Melo to NJ. Nobody believes it.

and theres 1 article that says Den will trade him to NY if info is leaked. And everyone believes it.

Yes we're homers, yes we're biased but who gives a damn we're fans and that's what fans do. And if those articles are BS considering that the Nets have been talking to Denver for going on 4 months now and no deal was made what do you expect us to say? Oh their working hard to make this deal happen. A good deal should not even take this long.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Ok so there a million articles pointing Melo to NJ. Nobody believes it.

and theres 1 article that says Den will trade him to NY if info is leaked. And everyone believes it.

Actually, there are "a million" articles pointing toward an agreement in principle between the Nuggets and the Nets. Now please find me "a million" articles saying that Melo will agree to an extension with the Nets. In fact, those same sources agree that Melo's preferred destination is the Knicks AND the Nets hope to sell him on New Jersey after the agreeing in principle with the Nuggets. That is the state of play--nothing more--nothing less, everyone here understands that and, considering the consistency of the stories that Melo prefers NYK, I can understand why many hold out hope he will reject the Nets.

[Pedro Pistolas]

A picture is worth a thousand words when it comes to the Nets' blueprint for surrounding Melo with greatness ...

C'mon knicksgod before this season the team we cheer for was a laughing stock. Yes, we're winning games but c'mon man lets humble our selves a bit...we haven't wont any championships yet...

[Pharmcat]

Time to move one folks

agreed

and this loss is not anywhere nearly as bad as lebron not coming here

how so?

here is a guy who wants to come here and has been hoping for a trade for 5 months now

lbj never gave a indication of coming here

huge difference, this one is worse

[atribecalledrch]

A picture is worth a thousand words when it comes to the Nets' blueprint for surrounding Melo with greatness ...

C'mon knicksgod before this season the team we cheer for was a laughing stock. Yes, we're winning games but c'mon man lets humble our selves a bit...we haven't wont any championships yet...

Oh yea like the Nets weren't the butt of every joke in 2009-10.

[aggo]

Time to move one folks

agreed

and this loss is not anywhere nearly as bad as lebron not coming here

how so?

here is a guy who wants to come here and has been hoping for a trade for 5 months now

lbj never gave a indication of coming here

huge difference, this one is worse

if this guy signs in NJ, one has to seriously question if he ever wanted to come here.

It is another slap in the face for knicks fans.

[CrazyKnicks]

Found the post:
I don't know about you guys, I don't feel this roster is really better than ours.

OK, I'm just gonna do a rough estimate right now, I'll do it exact a little later, I promise.

It will also wind up different depending on what players we send out, but I'm going to assume Devin, Chocolate Rain and Petro are no longer on the team.

Without Rip's buyout...
About $54 million including 5 cap holds for roster spots, plus Brook's estimated $7.8 million cap hold and this isn't including any free agent signings and this is also not including any draft picks we have left and retained, nor resigning Hump, Sasha or Chauncey.

The roster breakdown would be:
Melo
Brook's cap hold
Outlaw
Farmar
Al Harrington
Damion James
Rip
5 roster spot cap holds at approximately $440 K each.

For a grand total of $61.8 million and that's before Brook gets his real extension that I assume will be in the neighborhood of a starting salary around $10 million, meaning the official # would be $about $64 million plus the inevitable 2 years of MLE, plus BAE, plus any of our FA's we retained through Bird Rights.

Deduct $3.5 million if you buy Rip out and add another $440 K for his roster spot hold.

Basically the team is completely capped out, actually over it, with absolutely no way to sign a big time impact free agent, just the MLE and no starting point guard or shooting guard and no backup center with Al Harrington as our starting power forward.

This is all for 2012.

It's eerily similar this coming offseason and if Chauncey wanted us to pick up his option we're in luxo tax territory next year, even including that Brook's salary would be about $3 million in comparison with his $7.8 million cap hold in 2012.

We become a super limited upside bottom 4 seeded playoff team with no real assets to dramatically improve unless Dark Lord Stern gifts us Chris Paul or we draft an instant super star with a pick in the late teens to early 20's.

Capped out, old, devoid of assets and the players we have Bird Rights too aren't even really worth resigning and going into the tax for.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

C'mon knicksgod before this season the team we cheer for was a laughing stock. Yes, we're winning games but c'mon man lets humble our selves a bit...we haven't wont any championships yet...

I'm not disagreeing with you, but your post did make me realize something. If Melo is traded to the Nets this year, they'd still have to go .500 the 2nd half of the season just to finish with as many wins as we did the last couple of years, when we were a laughing stock. Just kind of struck me as funny.

[Pharmcat]

how so?

here is a guy who wants to come here and has been hoping for a trade for 5 months now

lbj never gave a indication of coming here

huge difference, this one is worse

if this guy signs in NJ, one has to seriously question if he ever wanted to come here.

It is another slap in the face for knicks fans.[/quote]

the fact he hasnt agreed to extension for 5 months should downplay that question

(we all know the cba is forcing the hand, he wants the 65 now)....he's given NY the time to come up with a trade, its not happening apparently

[Knick_Fury]

Time to move one folks

agreed

and this loss is not anywhere nearly as bad as lebron not coming here

how so?

here is a guy who wants to come here and has been hoping for a trade for 5 months now

lbj never gave a indication of coming here

huge difference, this one is worse

It's not nearly as bad a loss because Melo isn't nearly as good as Lebron.

[knicks742]

Found the post:
I don't know about you guys, I don't feel this roster is really better than ours.

OK, I'm just gonna do a rough estimate right now, I'll do it exact a little later, I promise.

It will also wind up different depending on what players we send out, but I'm going to assume Devin, Chocolate Rain and Petro are no longer on the team.

Without Rip's buyout...
About $54 million including 5 cap holds for roster spots, plus Brook's estimated $7.8 million cap hold and this isn't including any free agent signings and this is also not including any draft picks we have left and retained, nor resigning Hump, Sasha or Chauncey.

The roster breakdown would be:
Melo
Brook's cap hold
Outlaw
Farmar
Al Harrington
Damion James
Rip
5 roster spot cap holds at approximately $440 K each.

For a grand total of $61.8 million and that's before Brook gets his real extension that I assume will be in the neighborhood of a starting salary around $10 million, meaning the official # would be $about $64 million plus the inevitable 2 years of MLE, plus BAE, plus any of our FA's we retained through Bird Rights.

Deduct $3.5 million if you buy Rip out and add another $440 K for his roster spot hold.

Basically the team is completely capped out, actually over it, with absolutely no way to sign a big time impact free agent, just the MLE and no starting point guard or shooting guard and no backup center with Al Harrington as our starting power forward.

This is all for 2012.

It's eerily similar this coming offseason and if Chauncey wanted us to pick up his option we're in luxo tax territory next year, even including that Brook's salary would be about $3 million in comparison with his $7.8 million cap hold in 2012.

We become a super limited upside bottom 4 seeded playoff team with no real assets to dramatically improve unless Dark Lord Stern gifts us Chris Paul or we draft an instant super star with a pick in the late teens to early 20's.

Capped out, old, devoid of assets and the players we have Bird Rights too aren't even really worth resigning and going into the tax for.

Ok for real, someone tweet this to Melo.

[Pharmcat]

It's not nearly as bad a loss because Melo isn't nearly as good as Lebron.

not disputing that

however, the road to top 4 east team is much easier with melo than the alternative

so its still a big loss

[Context]

I'll say it again. Melo will not sign an extension unless it's with the Knicks. The Knicks give Melo the best chance to contend for a title on the east coast. Not to mention, the list of benefits that he and his family will receive if he joins the Knicks... As long as the Knicks want Melo- he will be a Knick before the Summer.

[aggo]

the fact he hasnt agreed to extension for 5 months should downplay that question

(we all know the cba is forcing the hand, he wants the 65 now)....he's given NY the time to come up with a trade, its not happening apparently

just stop it, please

DEN doesnt want to deal with us
and the leonrose/caa team wants to run an organization

neither can happen in NY

you even said it yourself, melo is being potentially used here.

stop about NY not trying hard enough, not coming up with the right trades. They dont want to deal with us period.

[kane2021]

When a man has his mind set on something nothing can sway him. Especially if its so close. These are professional athletes. But also, professional competitors. What do you call a person who settles for 2nd place because they didnt want to do what they needed to do to get 1st? A loser.

Im not saying carmelo is a loser now or if he chooses NJ. Im saying that if he does then he never had his mind set on NYK the way some have reported. If the dude really wanted to cal MSG home, you could trade him to Bolivia if you wanted. He would bust his ass and wait it out.

[I_Love_NYK]

Denver is just being sour towards Melo because they know they can. If Melo had a "No Trade Clause" he would be a Knick by now. But because the toast that was made at the wedding, Denver is being sour and does not want to send him to the Knicks.

[Hitman33]

I'll say it again. Melo will not sign an extension unless it's with the Knicks. The Knicks give Melo the best chance to contend for a title on the east coast. Not to mention, the list of benefits that he and his family will receive if he joins the Knicks... As long as the Knicks want Melo- he will be a Knick before the Summer.

Great news, thanks.