Carmelo Anthony Thread (Merging)

[JoseRizal]

At the end of all of this, there's only one thing that bothers me day in and day out...

We still end up with Outlaw and his putrid contract!!!

[kmsmith5]

Keep in mind the 2012 draft should be pretty deep because players will probably stay in school due to the lockout. That gives NJ a chance to add another potential starter even if their pick(s) are in the middle of the first round.

[Jersey Generals]

And that's why the Golden State pick is worth a bunch. That top 7 protected pick next year could pick up a great talent in the 8-13 range.

[treiz]

Straight up if this trade goes down, you guys won't see me in this board for a while. Thorn has done such a great job with this team and it's all about to go down the crapshoot because of marketing?

We were so close to finally having a team every Nets fan can be proud of and now it's gone. Thank you Proky, all your BS at the beginning of your reign really makes me wish we still had Ratner.

[treiz]

If this trade goes through, Melo will be inked to the extension, best believe that, but I think people are going to be unpleasantly surprised by how average this team is going to be next season unless we do as JG and myself have been alluding to, trading Brook and change for CP3 and throwing the full MLE at a guy like Tyson Chandler.

Do we really need to trade for CP3? By the time Billups contract is up Paul will be a free agent, if the Nets dont by out Billups after this season. Lopez has been a bit disappointing this season but you gotta try and keep him around. Deron Williams could also be a free agent in 2012 if he doesnt sign an extension, so thats 2 elite PG's you could possibly go after without trading possibly the best center this franchise has ever had.

Won't have the cap space to sign CP3 with Outlaw, Melo, and Rip.

Seriously, this is why I get pissed off and come off like a complete dick sometimes, especially to certain posters.

I know you have been reading this thread and other threads intently and so have read all the posts I and others have made pertaining to the salary cap and ability to sign free agents like Chris Paul and Deron Williams.

It's like you're paid by Nets management to gas up the hype train full throttle.

We'll be well over the cap, basically for good if this trade goes down as reported, with almost no assets and basically no way to ever get rid of those albatross contracts that will clog the cap for years and cripple us into mediocrity for Melo's entire extension and most all his prime.

You have to know this, yet keep repeating the same idiotic lies about being able to go after Paul, Deron, etc.

The only way we get one of those guys is if we are gifted them in a trade more lopsided then the Pau Gasol one, think Vince Carter a la Babcock.

I swear you just keep up the shenanigans to get a rise out of certain posters.

43 wins and the 7th seed in 2011-12 here we come!

Thank you VC, I was about to explode.

[SpeedyG]

LET'S JINX THIS TRADE TO HIGH HEAVENS!!!!!!

[SteveNets15]

We'll probably end up trading RIP and Vujacic to Utah for AK47.Then we'll buy out Billups contract for 3.7 mill next season.HAHA Melo we tricked you bich now tex your boy CP3 and tell him to sign with us or we'll trade you to the Cavs.

[kmsmith5]

And that's why the Golden State pick is worth a bunch. That top 7 protected pick next year could pick up a great talent in the 8-13 range.

Agreed, but my point is that it's not the end of the world to have no cap flexibility. At least there is a star player in place and some assets (Chauncey's expiring, 3 picks, Brook) to get another one potentially. Picks can be bought as well. Most teams don't have cap space, most teams that do have cap space don't land big stars. Miami was an exception, it hardly ever happens. I understand if someone is upset about giving up favors and picks, but that's what it takes to get a star player. Who do you expect to sign with cap space this summer anyway? You just end up with another Travis Outlaw-like contract. Expiring contracts land stars more often than cap space anyway because of the restrictions on non-bird rights contracts.

Bottom line is that each asset given in exchange for Carmelo is a small chance of becoming a player of his level. The cap space has no chance of landing someone on his level. Favors has an outside shot. Who knows about the draft picks. Would you rather have 5 lottery tickets with a small chance to win $1mil. on each one or a guaranteed $1mil.?

Also, about Rips terrible contract, even if you think he has nothing left, after the trade for Carmelo there won't be cap space anyway. The only difference his contract makes is how much lux tax money is paid. Are you paying the lux tax? no? then who cares? there probably won't even be a season next year, then in 2012-2013 he's a valuable expiring contract (depending on the new CBA)

I'm just sick of the whining about loss of "cap-flexibility"

[S.I.C. GM]

You guys know how I feel. TANKING, ooops, I mean building a team like OKC is doing is what I prefer, but I am so tired of this Melo stuff and I really cant stand to watch Harris anymore. So I am for this trade. What happens after that we really have no idea.

Billups, RIP, Melo and Lopez is going to be interesting to watch. Lopez doesnt have the pressure to perform anymore. Lopez has real veteran leaders to help his game. And yes we are all down on Outlaw, but he too will have less pressure to perform. he is now fourth or fifth offensive option. Dont forget MOST importantly NO MORE HARRIS.

As for getting other players, lets not forget we have more picks and trades will be possible. If walsh can get rid of most of Zeke's bad contracts I am pretty sure King will be able to get rid of some of ours which arent that bad anyway.

[jeff1624]

I'm probably the only one, but at this point I'd rather have Harris over Billups.

[SteveNets15]

I'm probably the only one, but at this point I'd rather have Harris over Billups.

Your not the only one.I would much rather have young team for Melo to grow with.Kenny Smith said it last night on TNT,EDIT: I meant to say that this team has already out grown Melo

[JoseRizal]

Melo interview:

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6023180

[treiz]

And that's why the Golden State pick is worth a bunch. That top 7 protected pick next year could pick up a great talent in the 8-13 range.

Agreed, but my point is that it's not the end of the world to have no cap flexibility. At least there is a star player in place and some assets (Chauncey's expiring, 3 picks, Brook) to get another one potentially. Picks can be bought as well. Most teams don't have cap space, most teams that do have cap space don't land big stars. Miami was an exception, it hardly ever happens. I understand if someone is upset about giving up favors and picks, but that's what it takes to get a star player. Who do you expect to sign with cap space this summer anyway? You just end up with another Travis Outlaw-like contract. Expiring contracts land stars more often than cap space anyway because of the restrictions on non-bird rights contracts.

Bottom line is that each asset given in exchange for Carmelo is a small chance of becoming a player of his level. The cap space has no chance of landing someone on his level. Favors has an outside shot. Who knows about the draft picks. Would you rather have 5 lottery tickets with a small chance to win $1mil. on each one or a guaranteed $1mil.?

Also, about Rips terrible contract, even if you think he has nothing left, after the trade for Carmelo there won't be cap space anyway. The only difference his contract makes is how much lux tax money is paid. Are you paying the lux tax? no? then who cares? there probably won't even be a season next year, then in 2012-2013 he's a valuable expiring contract (depending on the new CBA)

I'm just sick of the whining about loss of "cap-flexibility"

It's not the end of the world if we don't have cap flexibility, but with the scenario the Nets is on, it might as well be, because WE CAN'T BUILD A TEAM, if this trade does go down all we'll have is Melo, Brook, and a very old Billups. Rip doesn't count because he's not that good anymore, and basically no bench, what cap flexibility would've done is allow us to keep some more assets in order to pursue other targets that will make this team better, I really have no idea what's so hard to get about that.

Oh, and Melo is not a star player, he's a great player, but he ain't getting us nowhere.

Expiring contracts lands stars, but pure cap space doesn't? How in Gods name does that work again? Last time I check you need money available to sign players, not players already on a contract.

And bottom line, every asset that we have can be better than Melo, it goes both ways. Not just that, but they'll also come cheaper, so draft picks are low cost, and high rewards. Melo is a high risk high no reward. (Unless you count pretending to be a play-off team just to kocked out in the 1st round a reward)

Even if you're not paying the luxury tax, how is this team suppose to improved when you're maxed out?

Another reason how cap flexibility could've done this team some good.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... d_wallace/

Another reference you and other people who have no idea how valuable cap space is, just look at how Houston fleeced the Knicks a few years back.

[halfHAVOC]

so what if melo just gets traded and doesn't sign an extension i thought everyone was so sure if we were trading our major peices he would have to gaurantee like the signing of an extension..?

[jerseyjac]

I still cant believe were going to attempt to make this trade w/out a Melo extension...

[jzmagik]

If we trade for Melo and he bolts in FA, Prok will be laughed out of the NBA.

[Shark]

If we trade for Melo and he bolts in FA, Prok will be laughed out of the NBA.

And then I'd like to know how he and Yormark are going to market a losing team with a bleak outlook going into Brooklyn.

[Kingsforlife]

If we trade for Melo and he bolts in FA, Prok will be laughed out of the NBA.

they honestly should be contracted if that happens

[Pugsley_2491]

If we trade for Melo and he bolts in FA, Prok will be laughed out of the NBA.

they honestly should be contracted if that happens

[SteveNets15]

The media wants Melo to go to the Knicks so bad.They make it seem like NJ is the worst place in the world and that Melo doesn't want to come here but they really don't know sheet.We're not trading for Melo without the extension don't feed into the bs