Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[montestewart]

I can see DET being interested in Blatche, but we really don't have a need for Prince now that Lewis is here. Maybe a 3-way? Not sure with who, though.

What you should try to do is get Detroit's 2012 pick - unprotected. Try to rob them: Blatche and Stretch for Daye (or Jerebko) and Wilcox (filler) and their 2012 1st rounder (ok, top 5 protected to be somewhat realistic. Or if it is top 5, we have the option to switch our pick for their's).

IMO, the only way you can even remotely come close to getting our 1st rounder is to take all out bad contract off our hands for Blatche and expirings.

Well, that settles that; we'll try for better elsewhere. Hey Ruzious, you're supposed to say "rob them" in a low voice.

[Hoopalotta]

Wojnarowski with a rumor (and keep in mind that he's good):

The Charlotte Bobcats have discussed a trade to send forward Gerald Wallace(notes) to the Cleveland Cavaliers, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

The Cavaliers would use their trade exception to acquire Wallace, but have also pushed for a lottery-protected first-round pick for them to take on the two years and $22 million left on Wallace’s contract through the 2012-13 season, the source said.

No deal is imminent, and the Cavaliers have until July 10 to use the $14.5 million trade exception created from the sign-and-trade with the Miami Heat for LeBron James(notes). If the NBA and Players Association haven’t reached a new collective bargaining agreement by the end of June, the Cavs would run the risk of having the trade exception expire during the lockout.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... cats011411

I can't see that going down close to how it's being reported here, but it's worth mentioning; I'd imagine Charlotte is thinking more like one of their real dud contracts if it's going to be a BOYD rather than a guy one year removed the the All Star game first team All-NBA defense, I mean, that sounds a bit optimistic on Cleveland's side of things. But it does at least sound like the Bobs want to trim payroll.

They did deal that 2012 pick to Chicago though, so it significantly limits what they can do.

[verbal8]

Bulls fans on the trade board are offerring their '11 pick, the Charlotte pick, and Bogans for Young. If their brass were making that offer, Ernie would be foolish not to accept.

1st round picks in 2011 after the lottery may be virtually worthless. If you believe Chad Ford - the top undergrads and Euros will come out, but the guys after the top 10 will likely to stay in school because of lockout worries. Even without that concern, it'd be a bad draft. With that concern, it might be a historically bad draft.

It seems to be happening to some degree in football and there is a lower likelihood of a work stoppage there. I don't think that is why Luck is staying in school, but I think it is a factor for some of the other guys.

[Hoopalotta]

Marc Stein in the Weekend Dime; he was just talking with a bunch of GM's face to face at that D-League showcase:

The notion that the Washington Wizards are open to moving fourth-year guard Nick Young before the Feb. 24 trading deadline is fading. With speed.

The Wiz presumably have no untouchables on their roster beyond prized rookie John Wall when they're sporting a road record of 0-19, leaving them just one away loss shy of becoming the sixth team ever to start a season 0-20 on the road. But at least one interested suitor, noting that Young has arguably been Washington's best player since the pre-Christmas deal that sent away Gilbert Arenas, said this week that the Wiz sound intent on keeping him.

The most recent evidence of Young's rise came Tuesday night, when he drilled Sacramento for 43 points in Washington's 136-133 OT win to become just the fifth Wizard since Michael Jordan's retirement to post a 40-point game. The other four (Caron Butler, Antawn Jamison, Larry Hughes and Arenas) are all now former Wizards.

Just as Brendan Haywood's departure to Dallas in the Butler trade created more minutes and opportunity for JaVale McGee, Arenas' exit has given Young newfound license to shoot the ball liberally. Questions persist about Young's defense, feel and decision-making, but he has an enviable reputation as a shot-maker.

The Wizards, according to NBA front-office sources, are also getting calls on veteran guard Kirk Hinrich and said to be more amenable to moving the former Bull -- Wall's supposed mentor -- than dealing Young. Wiz forward Andray Blatche, as you've heard since Christmas, can obviously still be had, too.

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page ... /howard-qa

Not a bad bit of scoop there.

I like Kirk, but we should at least be open to moving him so as to work some wiggle room post CBA alteration from an absorption standpoint. I do have to wonder if Ernie moving Hinrich for an expiring would be a feather in his cap to show off to Leonsis with getting value out of the Bulls trade (especially if he got cash or other incentive back). That we acquired Armstrong and then Yi with cash tells me that Leonsis was not charging Ernie with winning this year so much as being frugal while acquiring assets, so I don't think Ernie's worried about the on-court aspect of losing Kirk. In fact, Ted might well be looking at the standings and the overall situation and wanting us to tank for a shot at a top 3 pick while cutting payroll.

And as I said earlier, I hope we would consider moving Young if real value is there. Our rebuffing offers and "sounding intent on keeping him" doesn't say much about our intentions beyond that we consider Young valuable (it also sens a message if they're thinking they can get him in free agency given that he's restricted). At the very least, there's some teams that are after him.

If we were to move both guys (and never minding any potential sweetener in a Young deal), we might be able to absorb a pretty big contract that someone was desperate to dump and getting some picks out of it. There's a lot of possibilities there depending on the particulars of the CBA.

[nate33]

I can't imagine anybody is going to offer all that much in return for Kurt. I figure all we'd get is expirings plus maybe a 2nd rounder. I just don't see the benefit. I sincerely think Hinrich is a very good role model of professionalism with a defense-first mindset. We should wait until next season before trading him. He'll still be worth that same 2nd round pick plus maybe some cash.

The only way I'd trade him now is if we got back a mid first round pick plus a crappy 2012 contract. Instead of looking to save money, we'd should look for a pick/prospect with a real shot at being a starting-caliber player down the road.

[Hoopalotta]

A lot depends on how the new CBA comes down with how valuable cap space is on the other side of those negotiations. It might be that clearing cap space ahead of the 2012 season would be equivalent to the whole "get back a mid first round pick plus a crappy 2012 contract" angle or something similar. There might only be nine or ten teams with any cap space at all, and a few of those squads would have just a whiff of it. And then a good number of those teams will also be in win-now mode and hit the free agent market rather than look for BOYD's.

Without Kirk and Nick we could get down to about $44 million and - even if the cap comes down - the likely salary rollbacks would probably keep the whole thing relative to where we've got about 75% of our cap space spent. What could be done with it? I don't know, but I wouldn't rule out the idea that the 'Zards could have a significant resource to collect assets if other teams are weighing a trade against a buyout.

Alternatively, we keep Nick (possibly for a good deal if there's not enough teams ready to spend) and have a bit less money, but still a substantive pool of $7 million or so.

Anyway, I'm certain that those perspectives are being explored and projected behind the scenes.

Edit --> another idea that just occurred: how's the 2011 free agent class going to match up with the total dollars available from under the cap teams? It's not a great class at the top, but there's a lot of solid mid-level talent. Would "fair" prices for all those guys equal more total dollars than is going to be available on the market? For example, would the total market price of the first year salaries of the entire 2011 class be, say, $150 million but with there only being $100 million available with the MLE being rescinded? If so, it would make sense to pick a few guys up late summer with cap space, either as actual players that work here or as trade assets (if they're paid substantially under the market value, even average players could have nice value). That could work with a BOYD too with a win now team paying a lot for the opportunity to get into that market. Needless to say, if the above were true, it would be a good reason to keep Nick.

I'm not saying that's anything more than a loose hypothetical, but it's the sort of thing that could be there in the first days of the new deal.

[no D in Hibachi]

I'd be in favor of the Wiz trading Hinny for an expiring and a second...With the new CBA it's reasonably likely that teams will have to jettison good players to comply with new requirements. For instance, the Lakers may need to outright cut Bynum to retain Odom, Gasol, and Kobe. In spite of his injury history Bynum is a very good defensive presence and might have the best post footwork in the league. Maybe the Knicks have to get rid of Wilson Chandler, maybe the 76ers have to dump Iggy? Who knows, but if there is a quasi-hard cap and the Wiz are one of the few teams with space they can cash in on a huge surplus of quality players for bargain prices.

[closg00]

According to front office sources, the Wizards are more open to dealing Kirk Hinrich.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... ck_young/##ixzz1B7MXPujj

I thought this was great news, hopefully something will happen.

[LyricalRico]

According to front office sources, the Wizards are more open to dealing Andray Blatche.

Fixed.

[DaRealHibachi]

You guys still want to trade Young...???

[Hoopalotta]

You guys still want to trade Young...???

My position - be he playing well or poorly - would just be on the value coming back. Theoretically, if he's playing this well, he'd fetch a better offer from someone.

But I'd need to know what kind of offers we're talking about and the general nature of next year's free agent pricing to really offer a definitive opinion. It could be shrewd or stoopid depending on the particulars.

[NW]

Warriors fan here. Curious of what Wiz fans think of Hinrich and Yi, the chances of the duo being dealt and what would be fair value for the two?

[Wizards2Lottery]

Warriors fan here. Curious of what Wiz fans think of Hinrich and Yi, the chances of the duo being dealt and what would be fair value for the two?

I don't know how much our FO values Hinrich. On paper. he is the only capable backup guard we have behind Wall and Young. If we trade him, we have no one capable to fill in behind the two.

Yi, I'd trade him for a free pancake meal from IHOP.

[Ed Wood]

Warriors fan here. Curious of what Wiz fans think of Hinrich and Yi, the chances of the duo being dealt and what would be fair value for the two?

Well after half a season of really terrible basketball the emotional toll of losing those two would just be too much for Washington to...

Yeah both guys are available and I don't think Washington would want an enormous return but at the same time I don't think the Wizards have any particular urgent need to trade either so something of value coming back may be in order.

I'd be willing to consider

Keith and Yi

for

The Wright Brothers and some big dude (Biedrins, Vlad Rad, Gadzuric).

That'd get you the two guys you want for some reason and the Wizards would get a guy in Dorrell Wright who would fit in pretty perfectly alongside John Wall and Brandan puts up decent per minute stats so whatever I have nothing better to do. That would leave the Warriors with a hole at small forward so I'd offer your pick of any of the small forwards on the Wizards' roster, Lewis, Thornton, Martin or Howard.

I'm sure you were thinking just expiring contracts and will refuse to include Dorrell Wright but getting out of Kirk's deal early isn't really a big deal for Washington and if you're gonna trade you might as well get something out of it. Feel free to say no.

[NW]

Warriors fan here. Curious of what Wiz fans think of Hinrich and Yi, the chances of the duo being dealt and what would be fair value for the two?

Well after half a season of really terrible basketball the emotional toll of losing those two would just be too much for Washington to...

Yeah both guys are available and I don't think Washington would want an enormous return but at the same time I don't think the Wizards have any particular urgent need to trade either so something of value coming back may be in order.

I'd be willing to consider

Keith and Yi

for

The Wright Brothers and some big dude (Biedrins, Vlad Rad, Gadzuric).

That'd get you the two guys you want for some reason and the Wizards would get a guy in Dorrell Wright who would fit in pretty perfectly alongside John Wall and Brandan puts up decent per minute stats so whatever I have nothing better to do. That would leave the Warriors with a hole at small forward so I'd offer your pick of any of the small forwards on the Wizards' roster, Lewis, Thornton, Martin or Howard.

I'm sure you were thinking just expiring contracts and will refuse to include Dorrell Wright but getting out of Kirk's deal early isn't really a big deal for Washington and if you're gonna trade you might as well get something out of it. Feel free to say no.

Yeah, definitely wouldn't be putting DWright in any deal of this kind. Was thinking more expirings like Brandan Wright and Gadzuric with 1-2 of the extra 2nd rounders they got when they dealt CJ Watson and Anthony Morrow.
Just got a hunch this is something GS is looking at as Hinrich is a great 3rd guard to pair with Curry and Monta and Yi is a moneymaker for the Asian market considering they go nuts for Jeremy Lin (who got sent down to the NBDL)

[Hoopalotta]

I bet expirings and cash would push it over the top for a Yi-Kirk package.

Then Ernie could show the $3 million he got from each of the Bulls and the Nets when he took those guys incoming (in addition to the 17th pick this last year), plus whatever cash he got from the Warriors as a real bottom-dollar value package that gets the bean counters loosening their collars and pouring drinks.

[hands11]

A lot depends on how the new CBA comes down with how valuable cap space is on the other side of those negotiations. It might be that clearing cap space ahead of the 2012 season would be equivalent to the whole "get back a mid first round pick plus a crappy 2012 contract" angle or something similar. There might only be nine or ten teams with any cap space at all, and a few of those squads would have just a whiff of it. And then a good number of those teams will also be in win-now mode and hit the free agent market rather than look for BOYD's.

Without Kirk and Nick we could get down to about $44 million and - even if the cap comes down - the likely salary rollbacks would probably keep the whole thing relative to where we've got about 75% of our cap space spent. What could be done with it? I don't know, but I wouldn't rule out the idea that the 'Zards could have a significant resource to collect assets if other teams are weighing a trade against a buyout.

Alternatively, we keep Nick (possibly for a good deal if there's not enough teams ready to spend) and have a bit less money, but still a substantive pool of $7 million or so.

Anyway, I'm certain that those perspectives are being explored and projected behind the scenes.

Edit --> another idea that just occurred: how's the 2011 free agent class going to match up with the total dollars available from under the cap teams? It's not a great class at the top, but there's a lot of solid mid-level talent. Would "fair" prices for all those guys equal more total dollars than is going to be available on the market? For example, would the total market price of the first year salaries of the entire 2011 class be, say, $150 million but with there only being $100 million available with the MLE being rescinded? If so, it would make sense to pick a few guys up late summer with cap space, either as actual players that work here or as trade assets (if they're paid substantially under the market value, even average players could have nice value). That could work with a BOYD too with a win now team paying a lot for the opportunity to get into that market. Needless to say, if the above were true, it would be a good reason to keep Nick.

I'm not saying that's anything more than a loose hypothetical, but it's the sort of thing that could be there in the first days of the new deal.

If your are saying what I think you are, yeah, I always thought that was part of the longer term plan. There should be a lot of players available on the cheap as teams are forced to get under the new CBA. Many of these players will be quality vets. We will get better quicker by doing that, than staying in some kind of long term loosing lottery strategy.

[Kanyewest]

You guys still want to trade Young...???

I wouldn't rule it out. He is due a pay day and there is still possibility that the Wizards may have to overpay to keep him or lose him for nothing. I'd be interested to see what teams are projected to have cap space next season. Right now, I expect Young to command a salary of somewhere between $7 and $9 million a year in the open market but maybe he'll command less with changes in the CBA.

[SportsFan215]

Would you guys do this deal?

Clippers Get: Iggy/Speights
Clippers Give: Kaman/Aminu

Sixers Get: McGee/Hinrich/Armstrong
Sixers Give: Iggy/Speights

Wizards Get: Kaman/Aminu
Wizards Give: McGee/Hinrich/Armstrong

[nate33]

No. At our stage of development, we're better off sticking with McGee and hoping that he one day lives up to his athletic potential. It's a reasonably fair proposal though.