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Post#261 » by horaceworthy » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:41 pm

Piecake wrote:I really dont like Dunn as a prospect at all. The dude is a straight up chucker who doesnt do much else to help his team. I dont think he will be a good pro at all.

Tough to call it chucking when it goes in at the rate it does. He’s never had a TS% below 60%, and his eFG% has also been good throughout his career. He also helps Baylor in other ways (good hands on defense, is playing more of a combo guard role this year, gets to the line, etc.) than you’re giving him credit for.

I guess more of the chucker reaction will be there for him this year, since more people are tuning into Baylor games hoping to see the Perry Jones show. Unfortunately for them, Dunn has a chance to become the Big 12's all time leading scorer and thus has a light as green as *insert hippie reference of your choice here*.
I'd much rather draft a player like David Lighty over Dunn with our utah than him. I actually think he could be a good player. He can shoot, drive, real smart and heady player, and plays great defense - might have a chance to be Afflalo 2.0.

Lighty’s a good player I’ll be happy to see leave the Big Ten, and if there’s a season next year he’d be a decent bet for David Thorpe’s Courtney Lee Last Rookie Standing Award. Like Dunn he’s a decent but not great athlete, but both have good body control and burst around the rim.

He can drive a seam, but he’s greatly helped in that area by Thad Matta’s willingness to play smallball, where Lighty’s spent a good amount of time at PF. His first step is ordinary, but due to his role and Ohio State’s excellent spacing, he gets to spend a good amount of time driving by PF’s who are already at a disadvantage because they’re closing out on a shooter. When it was an even up situation against the Gophers, he had trouble getting a step on Mbakwe.

He does get after it on the defensive end, which is something that should translate, and he seems to have used his redshirt season to improve his range to the college 3.


As for Jospeh, I dont think we draft him because, unlike Irving, he clearly isnt better or will be better than what we have.

That’s a tough bit of criteria to apply to a pick in the 20’s. Either way, Joseph will have a chance at being one of the top PG’s in what could potentially be a strong PG class, depending on who chooses to declare.

What he’s done hasn’t been as impressive as what Irving did, but it has been on par with what Knight and Selby have done for their teams, even though he doesn’t quite get that type of pub. He’s not quite the athlete Selby is, but he’s a better distributor than both those guys, wastes fewer possessions and gets after it on the defensive end (his work on Kemba Walker last weekend was exemplary). He can also shoot, which combined with his size and defensive potential would make him a nice fit for the Wolves.

I don’t know if he declares, Avery Bradley did the Findlay Prep to Texas to the draft thing last year, and part of the reason Joseph was rumored to have chosen Texas was because they get players to the NBA quickly. I also think that the less time he spends getting coached by Rick Barnes the better, but that’s my own personal bias.
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Re: Prospect Watch Thread 

Post#262 » by horaceworthy » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:48 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I was just looking at Derrick Williams of Arizona numbers. His efficiency is absurd. 65 percent from the field, 70 percent from three point range, and he gets to the line 9.3 times per game. He's scoring 19 ppg on 8.4 shots.

76.2 TS%, 71.7 eFG%, 1.1 FTA/FGA :o

That's even better than the shooting numbers Irving was putting up, and those were ridiculous. He's reminded me of David West the few times I've seen him, although he looks a bit more athletic. PF's about the last thing the Wolves need, but that production is just ridiculous.
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Re: Prospect Watch Thread 

Post#263 » by shangrila » Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:10 pm

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Piecake wrote:I really dont like Dunn as a prospect at all. The dude is a straight up chucker who doesnt do much else to help his team. I dont think he will be a good pro at all.

Tough to call it chucking when it goes in at the rate it does. He’s never had a TS% below 60%, and his eFG% has also been good throughout his career. He also helps Baylor in other ways (good hands on defense, is playing more of a combo guard role this year, gets to the line, etc.) than you’re giving him credit for.

The problem is that TS% and eFG% are heavily influenced by 3 point attempts which is one of the reasons Dunn's has always been so high. I mean, he's taking almost 10 a game this year. I'll give him credit for shooting >40%, but that's still a lot. And there's been plenty of guys like that, like Robert Vaden, that haven't had what it took to play at the next level.

Not saying he's bad or anything, just saying there's a context.
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Post#264 » by horaceworthy » Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:40 pm

shangrila wrote:The problem is that TS% and eFG% are heavily influenced by 3 point attempts which is one of the reasons Dunn's has always been so high. I mean, he's taking almost 10 a game this year. I'll give him credit for shooting >40%, but that's still a lot. And there's been plenty of guys like that, like Robert Vaden, that haven't had what it took to play at the next level.

Not saying he's bad or anything, just saying there's a context.

TS% and eFG% are influenced by 3 point makes, not attempts. That’s a pretty important distinction. That they adjust for how many points are scored on a player’s field goal (and free throw, in the case of TS%), isn’t a problem, it’s a solution to some of the failures of straight FG%.

Dunn takes (and makes) a lot of threes because he’s an extremely good shooter.

Robert Vaden? He wasn’t the shotmaker Dunn is, either inside or outside the arc. Vaden never once posted above a 58 TS%, or 55 eFG%. Dunn’s never posted below a 60 TS%, or 56 eFG%.

I don’t really care enough about Dunn to carry on this discussion too much longer, it’s not like he’s Darington Hobson.
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Post#265 » by Krapinsky » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:33 pm

What do you guys think of taking a look at Sean Williams?? He was impressive as a rookie but then had his share of off the court problems that put him out of the league. DX reports that he is working hard in the D-league now and has become the first to practice last to leave type.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sean-Williams-392/

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/s ... l?nav=page
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Post#266 » by Devilzsidewalk » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:37 pm

I'm always on board for guys like that, though I'd rather snatch up the rights to Varnado from Miami
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Post#267 » by Piecake » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:17 pm

Krapinsky wrote:What do you guys think of taking a look at Sean Williams?? He was impressive as a rookie but then had his share of off the court problems that put him out of the league. DX reports that he is working hard in the D-league now and has become the first to practice last to leave type.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sean-Williams-392/

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/s ... l?nav=page


Interesting. I also remember him being pretty good his rookie year. Kinda forgot about him after that. If the dude has grown up/fixed his problems, Id be all for giving him a shot. Sounds like the type of player we need, an athletic defensive big man who can back up the center spot.
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Post#268 » by cpfsf » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:05 am

I need to see any Kyrie Irving updates. I don't care if he had dinner at his mom's house, just tell me anything.
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Post#269 » by shangrila » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:22 am

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shangrila wrote:The problem is that TS% and eFG% are heavily influenced by 3 point attempts which is one of the reasons Dunn's has always been so high. I mean, he's taking almost 10 a game this year. I'll give him credit for shooting >40%, but that's still a lot. And there's been plenty of guys like that, like Robert Vaden, that haven't had what it took to play at the next level.

Not saying he's bad or anything, just saying there's a context.

TS% and eFG% are influenced by 3 point makes, not attempts. That’s a pretty important distinction. That they adjust for how many points are scored on a player’s field goal (and free throw, in the case of TS%), isn’t a problem, it’s a solution to some of the failures of straight FG%.

Dunn takes (and makes) a lot of threes because he’s an extremely good shooter.

Robert Vaden? He wasn’t the shotmaker Dunn is, either inside or outside the arc. Vaden never once posted above a 58 TS%, or 55 eFG%. Dunn’s never posted below a 60 TS%, or 56 eFG%.

I don’t really care enough about Dunn to carry on this discussion too much longer, it’s not like he’s Darington Hobson.

Fair enough, I was just playing devil's advocate
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Re: Prospect Watch Thread 

Post#270 » by Piecake » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:28 am

cpfsf wrote:I need to see any Kyrie Irving updates. I don't care if he had dinner at his mom's house, just tell me anything.


He said he is going pro after this season, not next, because he wants the timberwolves to daft him, because he knows we wont have our pick next year, and really really wants to play for us
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Post#271 » by moss_is_1 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:56 am

Krapinsky wrote:What do you guys think of taking a look at Sean Williams?? He was impressive as a rookie but then had his share of off the court problems that put him out of the league. DX reports that he is working hard in the D-league now and has become the first to practice last to leave type.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sean-Williams-392/

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/s ... l?nav=page

Sean Williams was always one of those guys I liked. He's athletic, can block a lot of shots, even if he is fairly undersized.
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Post#272 » by shangrila » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:42 am

I would give him a shot, assuming the Randolph deal doesn't happen.

EDIT: Actually, considering how the refs are with us, he'd probably foul his way right back out of the league if we gave him a contract.
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Post#273 » by Twolves98 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:21 am

The best player in college basketball is Derrick Williams. He is the athletic forward that the wolves need and should be available with the wolves 1st pick.

I think then later the wolves need to look for Chris Singleton (I'm not sure he is a SG) but he can defend and I to be honest the wolves don't need a scorer they need someone who can knock down shots. If he can keep the defense honest with his shot he will be a very very solid player.

With the last pick I think the wolves should look to go after Lucas Nogueira. The wolves could stash this guy oversees or bring him in right away. No matter what this kid will make a impact on the defensive end.
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Post#274 » by GopherIt! » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:15 am

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Roddy B would be awesome right now. At least we got Martell Webster out of the pick. :oops:
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Post#275 » by princeofpalace » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:13 pm

Twolves98 wrote:The best player in college basketball is Derrick Williams. He is the athletic forward that the wolves need and should be available with the wolves 1st pick.

I think then later the wolves need to look for Chris Singleton (I'm not sure he is a SG) but he can defend and I to be honest the wolves don't need a scorer they need someone who can knock down shots. If he can keep the defense honest with his shot he will be a very very solid player.

With the last pick I think the wolves should look to go after Lucas Nogueira. The wolves could stash this guy oversees or bring him in right away. No matter what this kid will make a impact on the defensive end.


Why doe the Wolves need yet another PF?

And Singleton is a 3/4, I dont see him as a guy who can even moonlight at the SG spot.
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Post#276 » by C.lupus » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:44 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
Why doe the Wolves need yet another PF?

Because we alread have too many PGs and SFs? :dontknow:

In a couple more years we will have all positions stockpiled.
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Post#277 » by shangrila » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:06 pm

princeofpalace wrote:Why doe the Wolves need yet another PF?

If there was a SG that high then maybe, but right now they have a lot of their future positions covered with Beasley, Love, Rubio and, yes, Darko. So getting an super awesome backup like Williams could actually help.

And Singleton is a 3/4, I dont see him as a guy who can even moonlight at the SG spot.

I disagree. The USA team raved about his defence on guys like Iguodala, so I think if he can develop a shot that he'll be fine at SG.
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Post#278 » by Piecake » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:33 am

Wow, NBADraft.net has Derick Williams at number 1

Write up on Marshon Brooks from draft express. I know a few people are interested

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mar ... ooks-6347/

Brooks often has tunnel vision when in the process of trying to create and hasn't shown much in terms of being able to set up his teammates. His turnover rate is up this season due to his poor shot-selection and the large load he's carrying on the offensive end, and his negative assist-to-turnover ratio illustrates some of his questionable decision making skills.

A key for Brooks and his professional career will be learning to fit into a role and a system and finding ways to contribute without dominating the ball. He should also focus on becoming more proficient on catch-and-shoot opportunities as well, as he likely won't have the ball in his hands and the freedom to create like he does at Providence.

On the defensive end, Providence plays quite a bit of zone in the halfcourt and likes to get out in pressure in the fullcourt as well, so Brooks will have a big adjustment when he's faced with playing almost solely man-to-man defense. He does appear to have adequate length and lateral quickness to defend shooting guards though, and his activity level is generally pretty good too. His 8 rebounds per game for a player his size is an encouraging sign, as are his block and steal numbers (1.8 steals and 1.3 blocks per game). Giving maximum effort on every possession and becoming an asset on the defensive end will be a key for him down the road.


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Post#279 » by The J Rocka » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:51 am

Derrick Williams has really improved this year, including this 3 ball. Not much of a rebounder though. It's funny he'll have a few games when he dominates the glass then another game he will only have like 5 rebounds. Top 10 talent to say the least, not sure he's number 1 type of player though. Probably not what this teams needs but worth keeping an eye on.

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Post#280 » by The J Rocka » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:58 am

Piecake wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:What do you guys think of taking a look at Sean Williams?? He was impressive as a rookie but then had his share of off the court problems that put him out of the league. DX reports that he is working hard in the D-league now and has become the first to practice last to leave type.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Sean-Williams-392/

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/s ... l?nav=page


Interesting. I also remember him being pretty good his rookie year. Kinda forgot about him after that. If the dude has grown up/fixed his problems, Id be all for giving him a shot. Sounds like the type of player we need, an athletic defensive big man who can back up the center spot.

Agreed. That is of course if we can't get Randolph.

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