Sac-Town calling about Brooks

[texasholdem]

[Do you think Brooks is worth a lotto pick outside of 3? Honest question.

depends on who's in the draft of course how much he is worth but yeah he has lotto value as the current MIP and a 20ppg scorer.

In an average draft. You can't predict really who is and who isn't. Do you truly believe Brooks has the value of an average 4-14 ranged pick?

Shane Battier was traded for the 8th overall pick (Rudy Gay) after averaging 10 points and 5 rebounds in his last season with Memphis

Jason Richardson was traded for the 3rd overall pick (Brendan Wright) after averaging 16 points and 5 rebounds in his last season with Golden State

Antonio McDyess was traded for the 7th overall pick (Nene) after averaging 11 points and 5 rebounds in his last season with Denver (where he played only 10 games that season)

Brooks is coming off a better season than those 3 players. So yes he is worth a lottery pick.

[texasholdem]

Danny Granger? -- 2008-2009 MIP, Contract Signed in 2009, 2009-2010 record: 32-50, 2010-2011 record: 11-11. Yes, I know you can't pin a record on one guy, but I still think he's a bad player on a bad team who just gets to score a lot cause, hey, someone's got to.

Monta Ellis? - 06-07 MIP, Contract signed in 2008, 2007-08 record: 48-34 (credit Andres Biedrins), 2008-09 record: 29-53, 2009-10 record: 26-56, 2010-2011 record: 8-15. See above. Being a dynamic and incredible scorer does not being a good scorer make.

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. Ellis is a pretty efficient scorer. 47% career from the field. Scored nearly 6000 points in his career while attempting only 625 three pointers (less than 2 attempts per game). Both he and Granger almost always kill the Rockets so it's hard for me to consider them bad players. Ellis is making 11 million this year and for the next 2 years as well. I think that's a fair price for his output. Granger's salary and contract is worse but I still wouldn't consider him to be an albatross.

[moofs]

They both have some limitations as players that should have kept them both from getting max/nearmax contracts, but because they can score (primary basis of the MIP/MVP/etc awards), they both got them anyway.

[The Beam King]

depends on who's in the draft of course how much he is worth but yeah he has lotto value as the current MIP and a 20ppg scorer.

In an average draft. You can't predict really who is and who isn't. Do you truly believe Brooks has the value of an average 4-14 ranged pick?

Shane Battier was traded for the 8th overall pick (Rudy Gay) after averaging 10 points and 5 rebounds in his last season with Memphis

Jason Richardson was traded for the 3rd overall pick (Brendan Wright) after averaging 16 points and 5 rebounds in his last season with Golden State

Antonio McDyess was traded for the 7th overall pick (Nene) after averaging 11 points and 5 rebounds in his last season with Denver (where he played only 10 games that season)

Brooks is coming off a better season than those 3 players. So yes he is worth a lottery pick.

Okay, thank you, that is all.

[texasholdem]

wow i made it into someone's sig. i'm honored.
why don't you explain why you feel that Brooks is not worthy of a 4-14 pick?
if you were another GM what is the highest pick you would offer for him?

[The Beam King]

wow i made it into someone's sig. i'm honored.
why don't you explain why you feel that Brooks is not worthy of a 4-14 pick?
if you were another GM what is the highest pick you would offer for him?

Because, when you're drafting in the lottery you're looking for talents that impact the game in ways that only superstars do. You're taking a much better shot at getting one of those players, and if you don't have at least one, if not two, of the top 5-15 players in the game on your roster you're not winning anything.

I like Brooks, A LOT, but in no way shape or form is he that player. I compare him to my 2002 Kings sqaud.

They had Webber and Peja as their two stars. That's why they were winning. They were surrounded with strong complementary pieces like Vlade, Bibby, Christie, B-Jax, Pollard etc etc etc.

I only trade a pick in the lotto, for a proven Webber/Peja level player. Brooks is more in the Bibby mold on a team like that. If I was picking 11-14 range, I actually might consider it for Brooks. But From 4-10 forget about it. No chance in hell. And I'm one that's extremely high on Brooks and think he's a great fit to Tyreke(who we're molding and mentoring into that Webber role on the current roster).

Thinking that Brooks is worth a lotto pick is laughable. He might fetch a fringe lotto to mid first round level pick on his own merit. It would have to be an extremely weak draft, coupled with an idiotic GM to fetch anything more than that from Brooks.

[texasholdem]

2005 Lottery Picks
1.Bogut 2.M.Williams 3.D.Williams 4.Paul 5. Felton
6.Webster 7.Villanueva 8.Frye 9.Diogu 10.Bynum
11.Vasquez 12.Korolev 13.May 14.McCants

2005 Lottery Revisited (7 non lottery picks)
1. D. Williams
2. Paul
3. Ellis (40)
4. Granger (17)
5. Bogut
6. Lee (30)
7. Felton
8. Bynum
9. Blatche (49)
10. M.Williams
11. Ilyasova (36)
12. Warrick (19)
13. Kleiza (27)
14. Villanueva

2006 NBA Lottery
1.Bargnani 2.Aldridge 3.Morrison 4.Thomas 5.S.Williams
6.Roy 7.Foye 8.Gay 9.O'Braynt 10.Sene
11.Redick 12.Armstrong 13.Sefolosha 14.R.Brewer

2006 Lottery Revisited (6 non lottery picks)
1. Roy
2. Rondo (21)
3. Gay
4. Milsap (47)
5 Aldridge
6 Bargnani
7 Thomas
8 Lowry (24)
9. Sefolosha
10. Brewer
11. Brown (25)
12. Farmar (26)
13. D.Gibson (42)
14. Foye

2007 NBA Lottery
1.Oden 2.Durant 3.Horford 4.Conley 5.Green
6.Yi 7.C.Brewer 8.B.Wright 9.Noah 10.Hawes
11.Law 12.T.Young 13.J.Wright 14.A.Thornton

2007 Lottery Revisited (7 non lottery picks)
1.Durant
2. Noah
3. Horford
4. M.Gasol (48)
5. A.Brooks (26)
6. Landry (31)
7. Stuckey (15)
8. Green
9. Conley
10. T.Young
11. Thornton
12. Chandler (23)
13. Sessions (56)
14. Davis (35)

2008 NBA Lottery
1.Rose 2.Beasley 3.Mayo 4.Westbrook 5.Love
6.Gallinari 7.Gordon 8.Alexander 9.Augustin 10.B.Lopez
11.Bayless 12.Thompson 13.Rush 14.A.Randolph

2008 Lottery Revisited (6 non lottery picks)
1. Rose
2. Westbrook
3. B.Lopez
4. Love
5. Beasley
6. McGee (18)
7. Hibbert (17)
8. Ibaka (24)
9. C. Lee (22)
10. Gordon
11. Gallinari
12. Mayo
13. R. Lopez (15)
14. G.Hill (26)

2009 NBA Lottery
1.Griffin 2.Thabeet 3.Harden 4.Evans 5.Rubio
6.Flynn 7.Curry 8.J.Hill 9.DeRozan 10.Jennings
11.T.Williams 12.Henderson 13.Hansbrough 14.Clark

2009 Lottery Revisited (6 non lottery picks)
1. Griffin
2. Evans
3. Curry
4. Jennings
5. Collison (21)
6. Holiday (17)
7. Lawson (18)
8. Flynn
9. T.Gibson (26)
10. Harden
11. Casspi (23)
12. Blair (37)
13. DeRozan
14.T.Williams

so 32 out of 70 picks of the last 5 drafts (before 2010) should have been taken in the lottery but were not and there were several second round gems. That means only a 54% chance that a player picked in the top 14 actually belongs there.

so where would you rank Brooks in the class of 2007? Lowry in the class of 2006?

[Guy986]

Dont trade AB!

[KiDdFrESh]

How is AB not worth a lotto pick?

Didn't Bayless get traded for a 2011 pick that is only top 8 protected? What the hell had he done in this league to warrant that kind of value.

[TMU]

Last week's news.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... on_brooks/

The Timberwolves inquired with the Rockets about guard Aaron Brooks, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports.

Minnesota offered Jonny Flynn, but conversations between the two teams went nowhere, according to league sources.

Here you see David Kahn low-balling, but yea, Brooks is definitely worth at least a lottery pick (depending on the pick #).

[tisbee]

Add that this may be a weak draft if players don't opt in due to fear of lock-out. Suppose 3-4 of top players stay out,and your #8-10 picks are players that should have gone in the 12-16 range,and many of the top players left are Euros who may have buy-out issues.(The NO First is top 8 protected this yr and top 10 next yr-indicating NO thinks this yrs' Draft will be weak.)
Then some of Lottery teams are already stuffed w/young players and the 2011 Draft would be the perfect Draft to see Lottery picks traded away.

Now is Brooks worth a Lottery pick? He is if another team thinks so.
I wonder who-if either-would say no to a Brooks and the Rockets 2011(Lottery Protected) for Sac's 2011 First(top 3 protected)?