Peddie protecting JFJ's job

Post #1 » by **Geddy** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:19 am

A lot of rumblings coming out today about Ferguson trying to fire Maurice in Simmons' article.

Now Bob Mckenzie is saying that JFJ would have been fired long ago if not for Peddie. Tannenbaum would have him gone but he doesn't have the board's support like Peddie does.

Just shows what a mess MLSE is.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists ... ?id=223731

emfive · Post #2 » by **emfive** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:58 am

rkid wrote:A lot of rumblings coming out today about Ferguson trying to fire Maurice in Simmons' article.

Now Bob Mckenzie is saying that JFJ would have been fired long ago if not for Peddie. Tannenbaum would have him gone but he doesn't have the board's support like Peddie does.

Just shows what a mess MLSE is.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists ... ?id=223731

I know the TPF gets a lot of heat, but they are a bunch of yes men. Maybe that is enough of a criticism.

But MLSE needs to do with the Leafs what they did with the Raps. Hire a GM that Peddie won't dare to contradict or interfere with. Whatever else is being said about Peddie and Tannenbaum is all bull. Peddie is a snake in the grass and Tannenbaum doesn't undertand anything unless there is a $ at the beginning and end of the line. Mckenzie is being duped.

whysoserious · Post #3 » by **whysoserious** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:22 pm

Peddie came out and basically threw JFJ under the bus today. His comments may have not been meant to say it, but he basically called the hiring a mistake.

At what point is Peddie going to be held responsible for the misfortunes on the hockey side. I know he's done some good things to make MLSE some money but he should no longer be involved in anything sports related within this company.

I've lost all faith in this side of the operation to do what's right. They should have fired JFJ during the summer and put a freeze on his spending before last summer instead of allowing him to spend more money on a guy like Blake.

Tor-Rap-Tor · Post #4 » by **Tor-Rap-Tor** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:39 pm

emfive wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I know the TPF gets a lot of heat, but they are a bunch of yes men. Maybe that is enough of a criticism.

But MLSE needs to do with the Leafs what they did with the Raps. Hire a GM that Peddie won't dare to contradict or interfere with. Whatever else is being said about Peddie and Tannenbaum is all bull. Peddie is a snake in the grass and Tannenbaum doesn't undertand anything unless there is a $ at the beginning and end of the line. Mckenzie is being duped.

I am suggesting to hire Muckler to oversee the team to be a guide for at least this year to help JFJ make some decisions, whether that be to axe Maurice or input on future trades. He can also advise management on replacing JFJ if he sees this as the route to go the same as Wayne Embry did with Colangelo ...

Muckler is the Mind that built the Senators IMO and has been successful at both coach and Gm...

It appears Peddie wants to retain JFJ and Maurice for the rest of the season, so it only makes sense to put someone in place that knows hockey and can evaluate where the problem lies and make some subtle changes...

Should we not go anywhere at least we will have a great draft choice as long as someone like Muckler can stop JFJ from trading it away...

jalenrose#5 · Post #5 » by **jalenrose#5** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:31 pm

Honestly, we should've just kept Quinn as GM. He did mortgage the future alot....but it brought back some results. JFJ...mortgages the future and gets no results.

This is also coming from the days where our best defenceman were the likes of Ken Klee, Robert Svehla and Dimitri Yuskevich. Quinn somehow made that team competive with defence like he had.

Remember....

Kaberle/McCabe/Berg/Klee/Khavanov/Belak

Amazingly enough...we still we're a decent team.

whysoserious · Post #6 » by **whysoserious** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:46 pm

jalenrose#5 wrote:Honestly, we should've just kept Quinn as GM. He did mortgage the future alot....but it brought back some results. JFJ...mortgages the future and gets no results.

This is also coming from the days where our best defenceman were the likes of Ken Klee, Robert Svehla and Dimitri Yuskevich. Quinn somehow made that team competive with defence like he had.

Remember....

Kaberle/McCabe/Berg/Klee/Khavanov/Belak

Amazingly enough...we still we're a decent team.

While true about Quinn he also had no Salary Cap to deal with so mortgaging the future wasn't a big deal cause you could just throw money at the problem and fix it. You can't do that anymore.

They need to be proactive and get JFJ out and probably Maurice as well. Get someone in here that can start to convice some of these guys with no movement clauses to waive them and put them in different situations while stockpiling a few picks and young players.

If we're going to be bad, may as well not pay so much for it. Let some kids come in here and play.

I'd also be hesitant to go out and throw large money around this off-season right away should they be able to move some of these guys out and hope that you are able to land Tavares next summer.

I'd almost be looking for as many picks as possible in the 09 draft as possible.

emfive · Post #7 » by **emfive** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:16 pm

I have made my tongue in cheek suggestion for a quick fix in another thread. Having a guy like Muckler oversee the rest of the season would be very good advice for MLSE.

HOWEVER! WHOEVER they decide will take over the team after this year must be someone beyond reproach and have the sort of reputation that would intimidate Peddie (like BC) and ensure that Peddie has nothing EVER again to do with hockey ops!

Griff83 · Post #8 » by **Griff83** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:35 am

Leafs lose at home to Montreal in a shootout.

This team is a joke and hope this is the straw that broke the camels back.

JFJ needs to go asap

whysoserious · Post #9 » by **whysoserious** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:39 am

Peddie's already backtracking from his statements earlier today.

How does he say he didn't fully understand the depth of the position of being a GM for the Leafs and in hiring a rookie it was a mistake. At what point is this man going to be held responsible for the abysmal performance of the on-ice product and the basketball product pre-Colangelo.

The Raptors got very lucky getting Colangelo.

Meanwhile Peddie's still saying there's 54 games to turn things around and that they are being very methodical. This is their problem, they are too methodical and overanalyze every little thing.

It's clear to most people involved in hockey what needs to be done, why can't these guys and in particular Peddie figure this out.

emfive · Post #10 » by **emfive** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:39 am

Montreal has built the start to their season on goaltending. And so have the Leafs.

whysoserious · Post #11 » by **whysoserious** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:01 pm

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/280607

Good article and if it's true that Peddie is showing lttle interest in Bowman that is an absolute shame.

Peddie is all about self-preservation and not about building a winner.

emfive · Post #12 » by **emfive** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:08 am

vc_dunkchamp wrote:http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/280607

Good article and if it's true that Peddie is showing lttle interest in Bowman that is an absolute shame.

Peddie is all about self-preservation and not about building a winner.

At first my thought was that Bowman was a much better coach than a GM and I was not sure the he was the guy for the job. Now that I see thata Peddie did not want Bowman there, I am demanding the MLSE hire Bowan. And I will not include a smiley because I am NOT kidding!

whysoserious · Post #13 » by **whysoserious** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:33 pm

emfive wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

At first my thought was that Bowman was a much better coach than a GM and I was not sure the he was the guy for the job. Now that I see thata Peddie did not want Bowman there, I am demanding the MLSE hire Bowan. And I will not include a smiley because I am NOT kidding!

The GM thing is kinda iffy with Bowman. As someone pointed out in another thread he had a rough go of it as GM in Buffalo.

My thinking is though he is perfect as President. Gives a strong personality to put Peddie in his place should he try and interfere. He would only be President and GM for a year or two and hopefully if they hire Healy as his assistant, by that time Glenn is ready to take over full time with the support of Bowman as his President.

Griff83 · Post #14 » by **Griff83** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:09 pm

Ken Holland or Coli Campbell would be my ideal choices to be this teams next GM.

whysoserious · Post #15 » by **whysoserious** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:14 pm

BlueJay_ wrote:Ken Holland or Coli Campbell would be my ideal choices to be this teams next GM.

I wouldn't be disappointed with either choice but I don't see Holland leaving Detroit and Campbell's never been a GM. Although I think he's got enough a pedigree to handle the job.

Post #16 » by **Crowned** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:08 pm

I'd love to bring Tambellini in.

Tor-Rap-Tor · Post #17 » by **Tor-Rap-Tor** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:48 pm

I'm going to reserve my comments on last nights game, until we have played a few more games at that level...

We played a great game against Ottawa then dropped a bunch of pretty miserable games after that and I want to see 3 or 4 more at that level, so I can see in what direction we are headed...

Line combinations look right now it's up to consistency...

emfive · Post #18 » by **emfive** » Sat Dec 1, 2007 3:20 am

Tor-Rap-Tor wrote:I'm going to reserve my comments on last nights game, until we have played a few more games at that level...

We played a great game against Ottawa then dropped a bunch of pretty miserable games after that and I want to see 3 or 4 more at that level, so I can see in what direction we are headed...

Line combinations look right now it's up to consistency...

Agreed.