Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony

[GotItNow]

Now a Melo/Stat/MLE Center/Turiaf front court would be decent.

i've read a new CBA will do away with the MLE. not to mention, under the current CBA, the knicks would have to renounce their MLE to have enough cap room to sign melo straight up. and how can the knicks keep turiaf while signing melo?

or are you acting under the assumption kroenke will cave and trade melo for stuff he doesn't want?

Unlike Miami, though, the Knicks are on track to having cap space for a max contract available both in 2011 (Melo?) and 2012.

i'd love a walk through of the financial moves new york would have to make to make two more max contracts happen. as far as what players would have to walk/be traded for tpe's/picks, what exceptions would be renounced, what would have to happen under a new cba for it to be realistic....that sort of thing.
i can't see it.

We're not changing coaches in the near future we wink or swim with D'Antoni, the entire roster is based on what he wants. IMO give Dantoni two elite scorers, an elite shooter, a defensive stalwart in the paint and a PG who can run the system and you have a contender.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/201 ... rk-knicks/
On Monday at morning shootaround, I asked Melo about coach Mike D’Antoni’s offensive system in New York: “You’re up and down, fast-paced and you get extra possessions in the game,” he said. “On the flip side, I’ve been on teams where we weren’t known for our defense, and that’s not something I want to ever deal with again.”

gonna have to look elsewhere to find that other elite scorer.

The only Knick salaries guaranteed past 2012 are Amar'e and, well...nobody else. Can you see it now? Want me to walk you through it again?

[J Smitty]

The fact that no one knows what is going to happen with the CBA is exactly the point. The fear of not knowing is what is putting Melo in the situation he is in right now, and why he keeps saying the extension is most important to him, and the CBA is the biggest factor in his decision.

Say what? He keeps repeating that playing for a winner is the most important thing to him, and not the money. Now, mind you, whether we believe that to be true or not is a different matter, but he has repeatedly said it is not about the money.

Lol yeah, what NBA player would say such a thing if he didn't mean it? Never would such blasphemy occur.

Because obviously, if the CBA were not a factor in his decision process(as should be the case when he says money doesn't matter), him saying it is the biggest factor in his decision making...wouldn't have happened. But it did. He could be lying about that too though...

[jeff1624]

Now a Melo/Stat/MLE Center/Turiaf front court would be decent.

i've read a new CBA will do away with the MLE. not to mention, under the current CBA, the knicks would have to renounce their MLE to have enough cap room to sign melo straight up. and how can the knicks keep turiaf while signing melo?

or are you acting under the assumption kroenke will cave and trade melo for stuff he doesn't want?

Unlike Miami, though, the Knicks are on track to having cap space for a max contract available both in 2011 (Melo?) and 2012.

i'd love a walk through of the financial moves new york would have to make to make two more max contracts happen. as far as what players would have to walk/be traded for tpe's/picks, what exceptions would be renounced, what would have to happen under a new cba for it to be realistic....that sort of thing.
i can't see it.

We're not changing coaches in the near future we wink or swim with D'Antoni, the entire roster is based on what he wants. IMO give Dantoni two elite scorers, an elite shooter, a defensive stalwart in the paint and a PG who can run the system and you have a contender.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/nuggets/201 ... rk-knicks/
On Monday at morning shootaround, I asked Melo about coach Mike D’Antoni’s offensive system in New York: “You’re up and down, fast-paced and you get extra possessions in the game,” he said. “On the flip side, I’ve been on teams where we weren’t known for our defense, and that’s not something I want to ever deal with again.”

gonna have to look elsewhere to find that other elite scorer.

The only Knick salaries guaranteed past 2012 are Amar'e and, well...nobody else. Can you see it now? Want me to walk you through it again?

So the knicks aren't going to resign Chandler, Gallinari, Fields or Douglas.. good to know.

[GotItNow]

The only Knick salaries guaranteed past 2012 are Amar'e and, well...nobody else. Can you see it now? Want me to walk you through it again?

So the knicks aren't going to resign Chandler, Gallinari, Fields or Douglas.. good to know.

Ahhh, but that was not the question little one. Donnie has planned for maximum flexibility. That is the answer to the question.

[Prot9]

According to David Alridge on NBA TV, the Nuggets have now given the Nets permission to talk to Melo.

[GotItNow]

According to David Alridge on NBA TV, the Nuggets have now given the Nets permission to talk to Melo.

Interesting, so now we'll see. Ixnay to the bootay and the **** hits the fan. Or not and he goes there.

Hubba hubba now we see the rubba when it hits the road.

[corona]

The only Knick salaries guaranteed past 2012 are Amar'e and, well...nobody else. Can you see it now? Want me to walk you through it again?

seriously? next time patronize me a little more and add some more sarcasm. that would help get your point across better.

they still have to field a roster in 2011-2012. knicks fans everywhere are gloating about how great their young team is. but if you want those young players to stick around, you need to offer them extensions and pay them or they'll go where the most money is (sort of like melo). and if you want the cap space, you need to renounce your rights to them or trade them for picks (which also have cap holds). plus...if the future pans out like you guys want melo will also be a guaranteed contract through 2014 for quite a chunk of the salary cap.

at this point denver has more cap space available going into 2012 than the knicks. but i've never seen anyone bragging about how we'd be capable of signing 3 max players. because it's pretty absurd to look that far ahead in the future and expect a team to let go of chandler, gallinari, fields, douglas...etc on the basis of flexibility.

[GotItNow]

The only Knick salaries guaranteed past 2012 are Amar'e and, well...nobody else. Can you see it now? Want me to walk you through it again?

seriously? next time patronize me a little more and add some more sarcasm. that would help get your point across better.

they still have to field a roster in 2011-2012. knicks fans everywhere are gloating about how great their young team is. but if you want those young players to stick around, you need to offer them extensions and pay them or they'll go where the most money is (sort of like melo). and if you want the cap space, you need to renounce your rights to them or trade them for picks (which also have cap holds). plus...if the future pans out like you guys want melo will also be a guaranteed contract through 2014 for quite a chunk of the salary cap.

at this point denver has more cap space available going into 2012 than the knicks. but i've never seen anyone bragging about how we'd be capable of signing 3 max players. because it's pretty absurd to look that far ahead in the future and expect a team to let go of chandler, gallinari, fields, douglas...etc on the basis of flexibility.

Ok then, sarcasm aside I thought I answered your point quite succinctly in the first sentence. You asked how could the Knicks afford two max and I illustrated how. The rest is just chatter.

It's just point, counterpoint to me. No reason to take it personally although I can understand your hackles being raised. Truth is the way I see it all of us in play are a little on edge. I don't think your post IMO was all that objective so I cut it down in my own way.

No harm homie, no harm. It's just a message board. If you take offense to things like this ok then I'll note your name and tread a little lighter, ok? That's just an acknowledgment we are not all the same and my view on what you should find offensive and your view on what you find offensive may not match but I can still feel you and adjust accordingly while honoring myself of course.

[AllBall]

10 Days Later....

Hey look, nothing happend!

[vincecarter4pres]

The only Knick salaries guaranteed past 2012 are Amar'e and, well...nobody else. Can you see it now? Want me to walk you through it again?

seriously? next time patronize me a little more and add some more sarcasm. that would help get your point across better.

they still have to field a roster in 2011-2012. knicks fans everywhere are gloating about how great their young team is. but if you want those young players to stick around, you need to offer them extensions and pay them or they'll go where the most money is (sort of like melo). and if you want the cap space, you need to renounce your rights to them or trade them for picks (which also have cap holds). plus...if the future pans out like you guys want melo will also be a guaranteed contract through 2014 for quite a chunk of the salary cap.

at this point denver has more cap space available going into 2012 than the knicks. but i've never seen anyone bragging about how we'd be capable of signing 3 max players. because it's pretty absurd to look that far ahead in the future and expect a team to let go of chandler, gallinari, fields, douglas...etc on the basis of flexibility.

Ok then, sarcasm aside I thought I answered your point quite succinctly in the first sentence. You asked how could the Knicks afford two max and I illustrated how. The rest is just chatter.

There is no possible way for the Knicks to offer two max in 2012.

Melo and Amar'e would account for almost $41 million and then add the 10 roster spot capholds and you're at almost $46 million.

And even if CP3 signed for a remainder of the cap space, you then have to fill every single position and spot on the roster with minimum salary players and second round draft picks and you would basically and quite literally never be able to make a trade of any type of significance for at least 2 years at best.

It's beyond improbable.

[melostat]

and is that all that you can say about amares knees blowing up when he hasnt been injured for 4 yrs now..I dont think NY is dumb enough to sign amare if they dont trust him..

2 years ago he sat out 30 games.
and phoenix wasn't dumb enough to sign amare, because they didn't trust his knees. and they have arguably the best training staff in pro sports.

[quote]

And phoenix shouldve traded amare 3 yrs ago when amare wants to be traded because he wants to be the man but instead phoenix kept him.. amare is not signing no matter if its 5 yrs guaranteed..its just a PR move by their FO

[truth serum]

The only Knick salaries guaranteed past 2012 are Amar'e and, well...nobody else. Can you see it now? Want me to walk you through it again?

seriously? next time patronize me a little more and add some more sarcasm. that would help get your point across better.

they still have to field a roster in 2011-2012. knicks fans everywhere are gloating about how great their young team is. but if you want those young players to stick around, you need to offer them extensions and pay them or they'll go where the most money is (sort of like melo). and if you want the cap space, you need to renounce your rights to them or trade them for picks (which also have cap holds). plus...if the future pans out like you guys want melo will also be a guaranteed contract through 2014 for quite a chunk of the salary cap.

at this point denver has more cap space available going into 2012 than the knicks. but i've never seen anyone bragging about how we'd be capable of signing 3 max players. because it's pretty absurd to look that far ahead in the future and expect a team to let go of chandler, gallinari, fields, douglas...etc on the basis of flexibility.

Ok then, sarcasm aside I thought I answered your point quite succinctly in the first sentence. You asked how could the Knicks afford two max and I illustrated how. The rest is just chatter.

It's just point, counterpoint to me. No reason to take it personally although I can understand your hackles being raised. Truth is the way I see it all of us in play are a little on edge. I don't think your post IMO was all that objective so I cut it down in my own way.

No harm homie, no harm. It's just a message board. If you take offense to things like this ok then I'll note your name and tread a little lighter, ok? That's just an acknowledgment we are not all the same and my view on what you should find offensive and your view on what you find offensive may not match but I can still feel you and adjust accordingly while honoring myself of course.

Well played bro. I remember in elementary school.... You always knew who the overly sensitive momma's boys were who would argue with you even when they were wrong and tell on you if you said a curse word. And since my mom raised me right, instead of picking on them or instigating any further problems, I would just watch my mouth around them, wouldn't play rough with them on the playground and let them have their way even when they didn't deserve it. Most importantly, I would usually just ignore them altogether and by spring time, most of the kids in the class did the same. In some cases, some of these kids still had no friends by the time we got to highschool. Fortunately for them, by that point, someone had invented the internet.


At any rate....you guys see Melo came out and said he doesn't want to meet with the Nets? Is the painting on the wall yet?

[Warspite]

The good news is that this will all be over in 48 hours. Either the trade goes through or Melo becomes a FA. If the deal doesnt go down Melos trade value is shot. Its a huge game of Chicken.

[vincecarter4pres]

Well played bro. I remember in elementary school.... You always knew who the overly sensitive momma's boys were who would argue with you even when they were wrong and tell on you if you said a curse word. And since my mom raised me right, instead of picking on them or instigating any further problems, I would just watch my mouth around them, wouldn't play rough with them on the playground and let them have their way even when they didn't deserve it. Most importantly, I would usually just ignore them altogether and by spring time, most of the kids in the class did the same. In some cases, some of these kids still had no friends by the time we got to highschool. Fortunately for them, by that point, someone had invented the internet.

Lol, I'm surprised there are still any Knicks fans that can still post at this point through all of this.

You guys keep poking bears with a stick...

[DaFan334]

The good news is that this will all be over in 48 hours. Either the trade goes through or Melo becomes a FA. If the deal doesnt go down Melos trade value is shot. Its a huge game of Chicken.

48 hours? huh? Did the trade deadline get moved up or something?

[vincecarter4pres]

At any rate....you guys see Melo came out and said he doesn't want to meet with the Nets? Is the painting on the wall yet?

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Anthony elaborated on his statement, saying that he does not want to get involved with speaking to any team, specifically mentioning the Knicks too. However, it is widely believed that the Nets will need a meeting with Anthony to sell him on joining their team.

You keep believing what you want to believe.

I like wiretap headlines. Wiretap headlines are funny.

And for the record, I think the Knicks are likely Melo's first choice, I just don't believe that Melo has this same LOL LULZ ROFLCOPTER Knicks fan opinion nonsense that the Nets aren't even on his radar.

[J Smitty]

The good news is that this will all be over in 48 hours. Either the trade goes through or Melo becomes a FA. If the deal doesnt go down Melos trade value is shot. Its a huge game of Chicken.

48 hours? huh? Did the trade deadline get moved up or something?

Exactly. I don't think anyone, after the season started and Melo was still a Nugget, really had their money on this getting done until right before the deadline. This last week of talks, and the whole 'fallout' from it(media frenzy, fans booing Melo, etc), kind of threw a curve ball into everything that I think has caught some people off guard....mainly Melo himself. I'd still say the probability is high that nothing gets done until right before the deadline anyway, but there is no doubt that all this recent stuff is somewhat accelerating the process a bit. And it will be especially hard, if no trade happens with the Nets this week, for Carmelo to keep playing basketball with the Nuggets until the deadline.

Personally, I love the way the Nuggets have played this so far. Original trade scenarios had the Nuggets ending up with significantly less than the current one. Waiting has shown people that they do in fact have leverage in this scenario, and are not going to just accept any mediocre deal, simply because they "have to." It's also caused other people involved to play their cards first, and well before they probably wanted to. The Nets for one, and now Melo within the next few days. Obviously they'll still need Carmelo to agree to the extension to truly come out a winner in the end, but it's hard to say they haven't done everything they can to make the best of what is never a good situation. Plus, if things do turn sour with this NJ deal, there is still plenty of time to explore other options and maximize those as well....as opposed to waiting until a couple days before the deadline to try and hammer out a deal with NJ, only to have Melo turn it down...and have to scramble to find something else in a day. Knicks fans may say they're doing a terrible job...but only because they're doing a "terrible job at doing what's best for the Knicks," not the Nuggets.

[NYKnick87]

At any rate....you guys see Melo came out and said he doesn't want to meet with the Nets? Is the painting on the wall yet?

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Anthony elaborated on his statement, saying that he does not want to get involved with speaking to any team, specifically mentioning the Knicks too. However, it is widely believed that the Nets will need a meeting with Anthony to sell him on joining their team.

You keep believing what you want to believe.

I like wiretap headlines. Wiretap headlines are funny.

And for the record, I think the Knicks are likely Melo's first choice, I just don't believe that Melo has this same LOL LULZ ROFLCOPTER Knicks fan opinion nonsense that the Nets aren't even on his radar.

The funny thing is that the Nets will NEED a meeting with Anthony to attempt to sell him on the team.

[Jugs]

Arent the nets like 10-31?

[Jordan45822]

I am going to wait till tomorrow or Wednesday before I believe if Anthony is serious or not. Right now I think he trying to make it underground or he really doesn't know what Denver FO is doing.