The Official Trade Proposals Thread

mid-post · Post #661 » by **mid-post** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:37 pm

HeartFoundation wrote:Just horrible. Go to straight hell fxxking Bulls fan!!!!

Dude, chill out. :lol:

JollyJoker · Post #662 » by **JollyJoker** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:37 pm

Sorry to burst your bubble but you guys should consider just trading z bo right now.

You look at portland when they had rasheed as the main man they were legit contenders until zbo took away the majority of the shots. When he was with the knicks their record also was below 50 percent. Zbo will get his stats but he isn't a winner. It so happend that gasol can cover up a lot of his bases because he is 7 feet. By going thorugh zbo look what it's done to Mayo's development. Even Gay is supposed to be the primary option not Zbo. You guys extend him like conley and you still be the vancouver grizzlies all over again when they extended bryant reeves.

You know mayo like jamal crawford, when he gets traded to another team; he's going to flourish again so I'm not saying zbo is a bad player. He just doesn't make the players around him better.

Gasol is also a dangerous free agent to re sign, as if he is content with not improving and becoming fat again you will be stuck with a libaility. Before the trade deadline it's not mayo that should be leaving; I'm no mayo fan but he is clearly your second most talented player after gay. The guys should be leaving should be z bo. Gasol should only be re signed if he can meet stipulations.

book it! Your onwer and some of you fans are too naive to see this coming. We will revisit this post in 1 year and see what you grizzlie bears have to say.

GrizzledGrizzFan · Post #663 » by **GrizzledGrizzFan** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:19 am

Bitter much JJ?

Downtown · Post #664 » by **Downtown** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:21 am

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. You see things much differently than alot of fans I bet. But to each their own.

The way I see it is that without Zach Randolph Memphis would have far less wins this season. His game is to score and rebound. And he does both very well. But I've also noticed him passing the ball a little more this season than he has in the past. Suggest a better replacement in a trade please.

No question Marc Gasol isn't playing at the level he did last season. But he has a role to compliment Gay and Randolph, disrupt the opposition inside on defense, play aggressive and physical. He does his job as well. I really don't know why you would suggest he is content to not improve and might become fat. To me that's a trolling statement. But tell us if Memphis shouldn't try and re-sign him because "he is a risk" who should they then sign for the starting center position that would be better?

As for Memphis fans being naive, may I turn it around on you? You are naive if you think that Randolph and Gasol are the problem children and that if Memphis were to trade them now they would get better players in return and they would be better off. I also think you are incorrect to suggest in a roundabout way that if they were gone OJ Mayo would magically step to the forefront and lead this team to the promised land.

This team is what it is. They certainly are far from the perfect team and many fans in here have acknowledged that fact. I don't think I've ever seen any of the fans in here swoon over them with rose colored glasses. From what I've read the fans have pretty realistic expectations of the current roster and aren't naive at all.

But you sir are welcome to your opinion of the opposite.

But I'll challenge you again. Since this is the official trade thread what would you do right now if you were the GM?

jefe · Post #665 » by **jefe** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:23 am

JollyJoker wrote:Sorry to burst your bubble but you guys should consider just trading z bo right now.

You look at portland when they had rasheed as the main man they were legit contenders until zbo took away the majority of the shots. When he was with the knicks their record also was below 50 percent. Zbo will get his stats but he isn't a winner. It so happend that gasol can cover up a lot of his bases because he is 7 feet. By going thorugh zbo look what it's done to Mayo's development. Even Gay is supposed to be the primary option not Zbo. You guys extend him like conley and you still be the vancouver grizzlies all over again when they extended bryant reeves.

You know mayo like jamal crawford, when he gets traded to another team; he's going to flourish again so I'm not saying zbo is a bad player. He just doesn't make the players around him better.

Gasol is also a dangerous free agent to re sign, as if he is content with not improving and becoming fat again you will be stuck with a libaility. Before the trade deadline it's not mayo that should be leaving; I'm no mayo fan but he is clearly your second most talented player after gay. The guys should be leaving should be z bo. Gasol should only be re signed if he can meet stipulations.

book it! Your onwer and some of you fans are too naive to see this coming. We will revisit this post in 1 year and see what you grizzlie bears have to say.

Cool story, bro.

I didn't see a trade proposal either.

TheKingLivesOn · Post #666 » by **TheKingLivesOn** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:38 am

GrizzledGrizzFan wrote:
TheKingLivesOn wrote:Cleveland Trades: Trade Exception, 2013 1st Round Pick (Miami) and $3 Million Cash
Cleveland Receives: Hasheem Thabeet, and 2012 1st Round Pick (Memphis)
• Memphis Trades: Hasheem Thabeet, and 2012 1st Round Pick (Memphis)
Memphis Receives: Exception, 2013 1st Round Pick (Miami) and $3 Million Cash

Reasons:
o Cleveland Cavaliers: Take a shot at a young center that has all of the physical tools to be a viable player in this league. Also acquire a higher draft pick in the deap 2012 draft class.
o Memphis Grizzlies: Significant financial relief. Gain a trade exception they could potentially use but likely will let expire. Get $3 Million in Cash. Give up a future 1st but acquire a lower 1st rounder so not too big of a loss.

Awful - had the Grizz been that interested in just saving cash, they wouldn't have exercised his contract for next season.

They are definitely shopping Thabeet for cap space. Marc Gasol is going to command a sizeable contract this offseason. They are also going to face heavy competition for Zach Randolph (should they choose to resign him) OJ May is facing restricted free agency as well. They already have Rudy Gay on max money. Mike Conley also has a rich deal. Too much money tied up and Thabeet is the player they would most like to move so they can save on his remaining salary. Picking up the option was a means to increase his value while also making it more essential to move him urgently. Why would a team trade for him if they know they can just sign him in the upcoming offseason? Picking up the option ensures that more teams would try and trade for him now rather than wait for another year.

Downtown · Post #667 » by **Downtown** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:34 am

I've never got the whole "Memphis needs to trade players for salary relief" arguement.

They are at $67mil this season. Out of the 30 teams, the middle teams are at $66mil. So Memphis is right in the middle of the pack. After this season ends they will be at $40mil. Zach Randolph has remarked back in the fall that he wanted an extention and was willing to take less money than he earns this season. Even if they give Marc Gasol $12mil, they should be right around the same team salary as this season with him and Randolph at $15mil.

People could be correct that Heisley will look to cheapen out, but given where they are this season one could argue that they can easily handle new deals for both Randolph and Gasol and be just fine. It's the summer of 2012 when Mayo will be up for renewal that a decision will need to be made.

But if I'm an owner that has pledged $67mil this season, has repeatedly stated that the playoffs are the goal, not rebuilding, I wouldn't be selling off my assets for nothing and running for the hills now. Right now they need to follow the course through. Plus with the new CBA in negotiations the financial picture might get better. It's not salary dump time. He would look like an idiot to bail out half way through the campaign.

TheKingLivesOn · Post #668 » by **TheKingLivesOn** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:15 am

Downtown wrote:I've never got the whole "Memphis needs to trade players for salary relief" arguement.

They are at $67mil this season. Out of the 30 teams, the middle teams are at $66mil. So Memphis is right in the middle of the pack. After this season ends they will be at $40mil. Zach Randolph has remarked back in the fall that he wanted an extention and was willing to take less money than he earns this season. Even if they give Marc Gasol $12mil, they should be right around the same team salary as this season with him and Randolph at $15mil.

People could be correct that Heisley will look to cheapen out, but given where they are this season one could argue that they can easily handle new deals for both Randolph and Gasol and be just fine. It's the summer of 2012 when Mayo will be up for renewal that a decision will need to be made.

But if I'm an owner that has pledged $67mil this season, has repeatedly stated that the playoffs are the goal, not rebuilding, I wouldn't be selling off my assets for nothing and running for the hills now. Right now they need to follow the course through. Plus with the new CBA in negotiations the financial picture might get better. It's not salary dump time. He would look like an idiot to bail out half way through the campaign.

Its not as if Thabeet actually plays or contributes much though.. So if they are truly serious about making a playoff push, then one could argue the trade exception they acquire from Cleveland would be of great value to them. Plus, Thabeet seems to be a superfluous entity on the team. With the exception, they would have a very likely chance of acquiring a veteran in a trade either now or during the offseason when "rebuilding teams" are looking to shed salary.

jefe · Post #669 » by **jefe** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:10 pm

TheKingLivesOn wrote:
GrizzledGrizzFan wrote:
TheKingLivesOn wrote:Cleveland Trades: Trade Exception, 2013 1st Round Pick (Miami) and $3 Million Cash
Cleveland Receives: Hasheem Thabeet, and 2012 1st Round Pick (Memphis)
• Memphis Trades: Hasheem Thabeet, and 2012 1st Round Pick (Memphis)
Memphis Receives: Exception, 2013 1st Round Pick (Miami) and $3 Million Cash

Reasons:
o Cleveland Cavaliers: Take a shot at a young center that has all of the physical tools to be a viable player in this league. Also acquire a higher draft pick in the deap 2012 draft class.
o Memphis Grizzlies: Significant financial relief. Gain a trade exception they could potentially use but likely will let expire. Get $3 Million in Cash. Give up a future 1st but acquire a lower 1st rounder so not too big of a loss.

Awful - had the Grizz been that interested in just saving cash, they wouldn't have exercised his contract for next season.

They are definitely shopping Thabeet for cap space. Marc Gasol is going to command a sizeable contract this offseason. They are also going to face heavy competition for Zach Randolph (should they choose to resign him) OJ May is facing restricted free agency as well. They already have Rudy Gay on max money. Mike Conley also has a rich deal. Too much money tied up and Thabeet is the player they would most like to move so they can save on his remaining salary. Picking up the option was a means to increase his value while also making it more essential to move him urgently. Why would a team trade for him if they know they can just sign him in the upcoming offseason? Picking up the option ensures that more teams would try and trade for him now rather than wait for another year.

Agreed. The easiest way to get rid of Thabeet's salary clearly is to pick up his option and then trade him in a salary dump rather than declining to pick up his option and letting him kick rocks.

mid-post · Post #670 » by **mid-post** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:15 pm

jefe wrote:Agreed. The easiest way to get rid of Thabeet's salary clearly is to pick up his option and then trade him in a salary dump rather than declining to pick up his option and letting him kick rocks.

76ersAreMe · Post #671 » by **76ersAreMe** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:06 pm

Hey guys wanted to ask u think about a trade that comes up alot on the sixers forum.
the trade is basically Lou will hawes and a protected first for Mayo and hasheem.

Downtown · Post #672 » by **Downtown** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:09 pm

Sorry, that doesn't do it for me. I think Memphis needs a bit more defence and versatility if they trade both Mayo and Thabeet. Williams and Hawes aren't bad players, they just aren't what I think Memphis needs at the moment.

Maybe Lionel Hollins disagrees with me and agrees with you though.

I Am Awesome-O · Post #673 » by **I Am Awesome-O** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:14 pm

Mayo/Thabeet/Young for Iggy.

mid-post · Post #674 » by **mid-post** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:07 am

I Am Awesome-O wrote:Mayo/Thabeet/Young for Iggy.

That's pretty slick. Iggy's salary might be hard to handle in a few years. Then again so could OJ's.

BarbaGrizz · Post #675 » by **BarbaGrizz** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:51 am

include Speights or Hawes and I would do it

Pugsley_2491 · Post #676 » by **Pugsley_2491** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:03 pm

There are rumors that the Nets are after OJ Mayo. Just wondering what you guys would want for him?

Downtown · Post #677 » by **Downtown** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:39 pm

Your first round pick, unprotected of course.

lilojmayo · Post #678 » by **lilojmayo** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:39 pm

Downtown wrote:Your first round pick, unprotected of course.

Do you really think Heisley wants to deal with another "lottery player" contract, those things start to add up, especially if he won't be able to keep them anyway after their contract expires.

Xavier Henry has been utterly useless this year, but was a lottery pick. Same goes for Thabeet.
Conley is the future of the PG there, Rudy Gay is the future of the SF, Marc Gasol is the future of C. Zach Randolph has a strong possiblity of staying. Xavier, Tony Allen, Sam Young all are getting SG position minutes.

Another lottery player outside of Perry Jones is worthless to this team. They need a player to fill in their holes, like lack of 3 point shooter or another back up big man.

Morrow and Nets Lakers 1st actually helps the Grizzlies for Mayo. Since Morrow is a 3 poiint shooting specialist, something Hollins is trying to do with Mayo. Make him a "shooter" when it is clear by now Mayo is all around player that can " score" not a " shooter"

lilojmayo · Post #679 » by **lilojmayo** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:42 pm

Pugsley_2491 wrote:There are rumors that the Nets are after OJ Mayo. Just wondering what you guys would want for him?

To me this is the ideal team for OJ Mayo. They have the pieces without given up their core to get him. If I see an official Mayo to Nets deal, I will just stand up and applaud. Something I wouldn't do if he ended up at a place like T'wolves.

Mayo picking and rolling with Favors is just

Grizzlies don't get short ended either they can get a legit 3 poiint shooter ( Vujavic, or Morrow, or Murphy) and a 1st round pick for this.

Downtown · Post #680 » by **Downtown** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:09 pm

How does Murphy factor into this? Isn't he making like $12mil this season?

After thinking about it I actually think that Anthony Morrow might be a good addition for Memphis. I recall when he was with Golden State how when given the chance by Don Nelson with big minutes he had a few monster games with his long range shooting. I believe the Nets hold the Warriors first round pick, so that and Morrow for Mayo might be good, and Morrow has three years left on his contract I think so that wouldn't factor into any contract strategy for a couple more years after this one.

I also got thinking after posting in the trade forum about a possible trading partner in Charlotte. Tyrus Thomas could be that dynamic spark off the bench at both power forward, with a little bit of center as well. The guy doesn't get alot of minutes but his stats are better than Darell Arthurs for sure, and in games that he has played starters minutes he has averaged close to 20 and 10. The biggest problem in getting him is that he has a longterm deal with substantial raises, and I don't see any contract matchups in a trade.

I'm just throwing random thoughts out there but players like Anthony Morrow and Tyrus Thomas might add that spark of energy that has been lacking.