Carmelo Anthony Thread (Denver Finalizes Deal With Knicks)

[vincecarter4pres]

Who's to say they haven't tried to acquire players like that in the recent past?

GM's talk and make offers to each other everyday, they don't always make the papers.

You're right about that. I'm just saying that if you try so many times with so many different teams, you'd think you'd at least heat an "ok, tell me more" from some team and that would make the papers. But I do see where you're coming from. However, given the way our ownership has been handling things, I doubt if they've done that.

I was saying who's to say Denver hasn't tried making trades like that.

If we had, you're right, we would have heard about it.

[NyCeEvO]

For example, GSW will try any combination of wiry, athletic players in order to put together their team. I'm sure we could convince them that Outlaw would fit their system because he doesn't need to and truthfully is incapable of dribbling but can be a slasher in an uptempo system. They have a guy who can play SF/PF for them. Give them Farmar to backup Curry. Give them Murphy (who they had before as well) to spread the floor as big man and throw in a 1st round pick.

GSW incoming: Outlaw, Murphy, Farmar,
NJ incoming: Monta Ellis, Dan Gadzuric

It works out in the trade checker: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4mahzdc

GSW frees up their backcourt situation with Ellis and Curry. They get an expiring in Murphy and a player who produced well for them when he was there (15/10 guy for them). They get a backup PG, a guy to fill the SF spot for them and would probably fit their system. They also get a 1st round pick.

We basically put Morrow to the bench, get a nice SG on a contract that is very tradeable should anything happen to him and we get another big man with a nice small expiring. Best of all we keep Harris and Favors and cleared the SF spot for Melo.

Now we have:
Harris
Ellis
James (although truly a spot for Melo as an FA)
Favors
Lopez

Bench:
Humphries
Morrow
Vujacic
etc.

Not only is this a dangerous lineup and can entice Melo to come, you'd also still have the draft picks and players to make a run at CP3. You can choose to trade Harris and Favors or Harris and Lopez for a CP3, who would be in a Melo-like situation next year.

Would you want to open in Brooklyn with a lineup of:
CP3
Ellis
Melo
Favors
Okafor

or
CP3
Ellis
Melo
Okafor
Lopez

I would in a heartbeat! This would:
1) prove to Melo we can make moves to get big time players (Monta who couldn't leave for another 4 years)
2)Give us cap and trade flexibility
3) Melo doesn't have to cry or feel bad about taking Billups out of Denver lol.

But would King do this? Nope

[djkinetic]

For example, GSW will try any combination of wiry, athletic players in order to put together their team. I'm sure we could convince them that Outlaw would fit their system because he doesn't need to and truthfully is incapable of dribbling but can be a slasher in an uptempo system. They have a guy who can play SF/PF for them. Give them Farmar to backup Curry. Give them Murphy (who they had before as well) to spread the floor as big man and throw in a 1st round pick.

GSW incoming: Outlaw, Murphy, Farmar,
NJ incoming: Monta Ellis, Dan Gadzuric

It works out in the trade checker: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4mahzdc

GSW frees up their backcourt situation with Ellis and Curry. They get an expiring in Murphy and a player who produced well for them when he was there (15/10 guy for them). They get a backup PG, a guy to fill the SF spot for them and would probably fit their system. They also get a 1st round pick.

We basically put Morrow to the bench, get a nice SG on a contract that is very tradeable should anything happen to him and we get another big man with a nice small expiring. Best of all we keep Harris and Favors and cleared the SF spot for Melo.

Now we have:
Harris
Ellis
James (although truly a spot for Melo as an FA)
Favors
Lopez

Bench:
Humphries
Morrow
Vujacic
etc.

Not only is this a dangerous lineup and can entice Melo to come, you'd also still have the draft picks and players to make a run at CP3. You can choose to trade Harris and Favors or Harris and Lopez for a CP3, who would be in a Melo-like situation next year.

Would you want to open in Brooklyn with a lineup of:
CP3
Ellis
Melo
Favors
Okafor

or
CP3
Ellis
Melo
Okafor
Lopez

I would in a heartbeat! This would:
1) prove to Melo we can make moves to get big time players (Monta who couldn't leave for another 4 years)
2)Give us cap and trade flexibility
3) Melo doesn't have to cry or feel bad about taking Billups out of Denver lol.

But would King do this? Nope

I don't think GSW is looking to deal Monte Ellis, as he's supposedly they're future, and I think its all but a foregone conclusion that if Melo hits FA, he's signing with NYK the first day of the FA period.

[vincecarter4pres]

New Orleans or the Clips could still be the dark horse in all of this.
Highly doubt it, but it's not out of the question by any means.

[xam2k7]

New Orleans or the Clips could still be the dark horse in all of this.
Highly doubt it, but it's not out of the question by any means.

New Orleans or the Clips could still be the dark horse in all of this.
Highly doubt it, but it's not out of the question by any means.

New Orleans is most definitely not... they are on the verge of possibly losing their franchise and dont even have ownership. I also go to tulane university in new orleans and no one here is talking about getting melo at all...

as far as the clips the nuggets have said that they only want blake and we all know blake will be a clipper as long as hes under contract with them, if not for life

[vincecarter4pres]

New Orleans or the Clips could still be the dark horse in all of this.
Highly doubt it, but it's not out of the question by any means.

New Orleans is most definitely not... they are on the verge of possibly losing their franchise and dont even have ownership. I also go to tulane university in new orleans and no one here is talking about getting melo at all...

as far as the clips the nuggets have said that they only want blake and we all know blake will be a clipper as long as hes under contract with them, if not for life

Well they can only want Blake all they like, but if the situation gets ugly and Melo won't come here, they start narrowing down their options hardcore.

If LAC can somehow convince Melo to come, they have a bunch of solid to excellent draft picks and salary relief to send.

[xam2k7]

New Orleans or the Clips could still be the dark horse in all of this.
Highly doubt it, but it's not out of the question by any means.

New Orleans is most definitely not... they are on the verge of possibly losing their franchise and dont even have ownership. I also go to tulane university in new orleans and no one here is talking about getting melo at all...

as far as the clips the nuggets have said that they only want blake and we all know blake will be a clipper as long as hes under contract with them, if not for life

Well they can only want Blake all they like, but if the situation gets ugly and Melo won't come here, they start narrowing down their options hardcore.

If LAC can somehow convince Melo to come, they have a bunch of solid to excellent draft picks and salary relief to send.

if LAC gets melo i think i will officially become a Clippers fan... im already starting to share my fanship with them in that ive watched nearly every clippers game in the last 2 months but if they can get melo while keeping deandre and blake id hop on.

but i doubt they will take anyone else on the clippers over favors so melo would have to absolutely refuse to sign the extension in order for the clippers to become players...

on a side note i would unload our team for griffin and jordan. brook, favors, 3 firsts, etc etc

[jman3134]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... hony011711

Any thoughts?

[xam2k7]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjS0NeVxGZlPkPc8WSY0nFW8vLYF?slug=aw-netsanthony011711

Any thoughts?

just yet another person extremely pissed off by the whole process as EVERYONE is getting... thank god the trade deadline is only a month away so we know for sure as nets fans thats the longest we would have to wait

[NyCeEvO]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjS0NeVxGZlPkPc8WSY0nFW8vLYF?slug=aw-netsanthony011711

Any thoughts?

And someone said Wojnarowski doesn't know what he's talking about? This is what we've all been saying all along. Just put all of our posts and topics together and you will come out with that well written article. If Adrian is going to use our thoughts and read our forum, he should at least give us credit right lol? Everything he said is 100% truth.

[JoseRizal]

"This has become pure folly, and the Nets have allowed themselves to become the punch line. The Denver Nuggets keep coming back for a larger haul, pushing to get another 2010 first-round pick – injured, but promising rookie Damion James – into the trade package, a league source said. The Nets will send back three future first-round picks"

Enough of this BS...

[jman3134]

The scary part is that I was actually once for the idea of getting Carmelo Anthony. After sitting on the sidelines and observing how all of this is going down, I am absolutely against this trade for the betterment of the Nets franchise.

I have to give props to the original posters here who- as someone pointed out- have been against this from the start. It really would devastate the franchise....

[vincecarter4pres]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjS0NeVxGZlPkPc8WSY0nFW8vLYF?slug=aw-netsanthony011711

Any thoughts?

Thoughts?

Yeah.

I think that mother **** owes me some royalties and commission.

[enetric]

Well his last statement is pretty clear. He also mentioned the dallas mavericks and la lakers so melo wants to go to a winning situation. He said money is not so important so clearly he is not so worried about the new cba. He said this is his ninth year so he wants to be a winner. The tone of his voice suggests that he'll consider re-sigining with denver if there if they are going to be a championship contender which is highly unlikely given they have failed to add another superstar the past few summers. Then there's New York that is already up and coming and by adding him he would be a contender but as it seems right now they can only add him in the offseason. Finally there is New Jersey where Mikhail is desperately trying to add some status to his new Brooklyn nets. However the nets are atleast 2 years away from consolidating into their new arena. Other than Lopez their roster is rail thin after the denver trade. That situation is even worse than Denver and Melo has made it a point that money is not the main factor so essentially that crosses off New Jersey out of the mix. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure he doesn't want New Jersey or Denver.
It's crystal clear though that he would like to join LA or Dallas perhaps even moreso than NYK if winning is his ultimate goal.

Jersey's owner is insisting on meeting with Melo but you have to figure there must be a reason why so many players are turning down jersey since last summers free agency. Kobe once told Melo to follow his heart so we all know he will make a decision like Bosh and Lebron and go to a team that gives him the best chance of winning.


If New Jersey forces a trade they better get CP3 on board immediately this summer otherwise they will defintiely lose Melo with 0 compenstion as he has no intentions of re signing.

This post is full of so much fail.

I hate when people say some of this stuff.

Brooklyn at least two years away?

It's master lock that we'll be there in 2012-2013.

Melo not resigning with zero compensation?

It's master lock that we won't trade for him without an extension.

This post try's to mask the rubbish that is it's main topic of it's worth by throwing in obligatory fluff about what is nothing more then pure assumption and flawed logic.

I don't know if he wants to come to Jersey, but I do know this is bull **** rhetoric and agenda attempting to be masked, quite sloppily may I add, by a bunch of backhanded speculative mish mash.

Get this trash off our board.

Melo has also said publically that wherever he goes it will be with the extension signed. He pretty much guaranteed that one way or the other he would have the extension done....so saying it isnt about the money? Come on. I used to say in the end its always about the money. Now I say almost always since Lebron/Bosh Wade are the FIRST players I have seen in the NBA to walk their talk. Where they actually TOOK massively less than they could get to try and build the best team possible.

And the funny part is? They are all but condemned for it by fans and media rather than praised. So that should tell you...not only is it about the money first...it SHOULD be about the money because no one is going to give a crap. No one is going to say...wow that impresses me. Its a job. Teams wil trade you 5 seconds later if it helps them and fans will forget you as well.

These guys know it. They want to get paid and will. Winning team is a benefit not a priority...regardless of what they say. be a smrter fan and read between bull ****.

[enetric]

anyone else dumbfounded about Denver's internal communication throughout this deal? Publicly they're treating this negotiation like the cuban missile crisis. Internally it sounds like Uriji never says a word to Carmelo and wants to simply pretend this isn't going on. Perhaps they're intentionally trying to keep Melo in the dark since they're pissed at him for wanting out but this whole thing strikes as amateur hour.

I am more dumfounded at the Nets allowing themselves to be played like suckers throughout this. I have simply grown to hate our entire leadership. Owner, coach, GM, CEO. bunch of idiots who are taking it up the pooper on a daily basis ad they STILL dont know if they can even get the guy? Willing to do anything just to have an overrared player who has maxed out...and they still arent sure the guy will say yes?

This has been a lose lose scenario for us and it seems to get worse by the day. I am still scrollinhg throuhg so not sure if anyone posted this yet...but today's rumors have us adding a third pick AND Damion James to the pile.

I have never seen a team with so little control of their own trade actually dictate so many absurd aspects of the trade. Denver should be looking at 50 cents on the dollar for Melo given his complete control of this situation and yet here they are getting a team with among the best trade assets in the league to give them absolutely everything they ask for with no one able to compete with half their offer.

Just a bunch of fools.

[enetric]

anyone else dumbfounded about Denver's internal communication throughout this deal? Publicly they're treating this negotiation like the cuban missile crisis. Internally it sounds like Uriji never says a word to Carmelo and wants to simply pretend this isn't going on. Perhaps they're intentionally trying to keep Melo in the dark since they're pissed at him for wanting out but this whole thing strikes as amateur hour.

Somewhere in a bar, Isiah Thomas and Omar Minaya are having margaritas and laughing at the Denver front office.

That's how badly this has been handled.

totally. At this point it would suck for Nets fans to not get Melo only because it would be likely that he goes to the Knicks. They wouldnt be a championship team but they would be a 50 win team and we would be a 20 win team getting our **** pushed into constantly thanks to the Prokhorov BB and such. But whatever as time goes on that would pass. We'd have favors. King is going to make some moves no matter what. Lopez will get better. Harris + Humphries could both bring back mid/late first round picks at a minimum. We would get a top 5. We would have even more assets available to go after Paul/Deron not to mention being 1 year closer to Bklyn.

For Uriji it would be catastrophic if he ends up with a lesser deal. If he ends up with Chandler (due a $50-60 mil extension coming), a draft pick in the 20's, and Landry Fields he will be run out of Denver. And that offer is probably a lot richer then what the Knicks would do. If he ends up with nothing he will be a complete laughing stock - plus their own pick with be terrible thanks to playing a full/most of the year with Melo. For every game they wait to deal him to us so our record gets worse, their record gets better.

I can't imagine the public-ness of these negotiations has had a positive effect on Ujiri's image in front of other GM's.

As much as I dont want the Nix to get him...is as much as I DONT WANT HIM FOR THESE PRICES.....wait...more. I loathe the idea of making this trade more than not.

20 win teams loaded with high draft picks...I LIKE THAT IDEA for a couple more seasons than this mess.

Worst part to me is...even if we dont get this deal done....we have painted ourselves as a desperate ownership group. Everyone will come to us with trades to rape the system. Why would we say no if we are willing to do this crap?

This group of Nets braintrust are like that ONE guy in your fantasy league everyone knows will destroy his team and the competitive balance of your league with all the terrible deal he is willing to make. I just cant believe this is what we get. Hopefully someone will be able to get Proky to understand this league before its too late.

[vincecarter4pres]

anyone else dumbfounded about Denver's internal communication throughout this deal? Publicly they're treating this negotiation like the cuban missile crisis. Internally it sounds like Uriji never says a word to Carmelo and wants to simply pretend this isn't going on. Perhaps they're intentionally trying to keep Melo in the dark since they're pissed at him for wanting out but this whole thing strikes as amateur hour.

I am more dumfounded at the Nets allowing themselves to be played like suckers throughout this. I have simply grown to hate our entire leadership. Owner, coach, GM, CEO. bunch of idiots who are taking it up the pooper on a daily basis ad they STILL dont know if they can even get the guy? Willing to do anything just to have an overrared player who has maxed out...and they still arent sure the guy will say yes?

This has been a lose lose scenario for us and it seems to get worse by the day. I am still scrollinhg throuhg so not sure if anyone posted this yet...but today's rumors have us adding a third pick AND Damion James to the pile.

I have never seen a team with so little control of their own trade actually dictate so many absurd aspects of the trade. Denver should be looking at 50 cents on the dollar for Melo given his complete control of this situation and yet here they are getting a team with among the best trade assets in the league to give them absolutely everything they ask for with no one able to compete with half their offer.

Just a bunch of fools.

The worst part about this is, when we lose out on Melo the rest of the league now knows how Bush League and desperate our FO and ownership is and will play us like chumps in every perspective deal...

This team is wearing thin on me after decades of following them through the fire.

EDIT:

Worst part to me is...even if we dont get this deal done....we have painted ourselves as a desperate ownership group. Everyone will come to us with trades to rape the system. Why would we say no if we are willing to do this crap?

This group of Nets braintrust are like that ONE guy in your fantasy league everyone knows will destroy his team and the competitive balance of your league with all the terrible deal he is willing to make. I just cant believe this is what we get. Hopefully someone will be able to get Proky to understand this league before its too late.

Seems we're on the same page lol.

And so the conspiracy starts... you play fantasy? Where is your representation on the Nets board league? You disappoint me.

[8 Mile Ilic]

Man... You guys are so pessimistic it makes me giggle.

[enetric]

lol.

do you think Prokhorov regrets not keeping Thorn and giving him more control yet? However this works out I can't imagine he likes the stench of desperation that's out there now.

From what I am reading..Proky is helping to MAKE the stench if not actualyl at the top of the heap of garbage. Several guys are saying that Kings and Avery were ready to walk away long ago and its Proky who is pushing for this.

Who knows what to believe anymore. But Rod walking? I absolutely believe Rod saw that he wasnt going to be setting the ships course anymore. Anyone can steer it. But if a guy tells you to run into the iceberg and not to worry....he is SURE the ship will break through it? Well...maybe jumping in the life raft like Rod did isnt a terrible idea.

Whoever is valling the shots...Proky, King...whoever...you have to just hope they come their senses.


BTW....is there anyone left on our board who actually think...good who cares...qs long a we get Melo, there is no price to great? Anyone still defending this trade? Who thinks give them all the picks, prospects they want. Take o bad contracts....just get the guy. Anyone of that mindset still?

[vincecarter4pres]

Man... You guys are so pessimistic it makes me giggle.

I'm not pessimistic, I'm realistic and it turns out one of the only respectable NBA writers just happens to agree with me whole heartedly