Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread

Rude Boy 1 · Post #1241 » by **Rude Boy 1** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:04 am

Terrence Jones looks nice right now and also looks like he can indeed play the 3 too.

Rude Boy 1 · Post #1242 » by **Rude Boy 1** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:07 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Perry Jones has a lot of potential, but something is just missing...he seems to have a tendency to coast in games. I think you won't see a finished product in the NBA until about his 3rd or 4th season in the league.

And these types of players never develop into much... I agree his ability to compete is just not up to par he looks lethargic out there too. He had more than a few opportunities to block a smaller players shot on a dribble drive and just didn't have the intensity needed to make the play. He looks like he's been relying on his size to dominate players.

Waylon Mercy · Post #1243 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:21 am

Rude Boy 1 wrote:
Waylon Mercy wrote:Kyrie Irving is head and shoulders the best player in this draft even with his injury.

Hes the only can't miss prospect....

Luckily for us team needs play a part and teams like Washington and Minnesota most likely
wouldn't take him. Sacramento could go PG or SF depending if their serious about playing
Tyreke at PG. Cleveland will take best player available. If the Nets stay the same and don't
make the Melo deal they probably go SF or Big.

As for Jones hes kind of soft and doesn't rebound well and his defense isn't the greatest.
Hes not even hitting the college 3 so matching him beside DeRozan who can't hit a 3 to save
his life would pair us with the worst 3 point shooting wing tandem in the league.

I think the Raps have a good chance to get Irving especially if they need to sacrifice the
Miami pick to move up if necessary.

Not sure team needs will play a huge part if the talent pool is so thin! It would make more sense for teams to draft Kyrie and trade him to a needy to for a piece that fits team needs than it does to draft a meh... PF, SF, SG. The rule of thumb always has to be best player available

Thats the thing there is no clear cut number 1 pick so teams will heavily factor "need".
My opinion is Kyrie Irving is hands down the best player in this draft and the only can't
miss but who knows how NBA Scouts and GMs feel? History has shown GMs get a little
scared about players who have suffered notable injuries in college eg. Ed Davis, Blair, Roy,
Granger, Pierce etc

Plus March Madness and Workouts will also heavily influence the draft...

But if Washington and Minnesota get the first pick I seriously don't see them taking Irving.

CunningLinguist · Post #1244 » by **CunningLinguist** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:34 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:Perry is a 3, not a 4. Putting him at the 4 would be stupid on the team part. He's more likely to cover 3s with his length & athletic ability. Asking him to put on weight to play the 4 full time someday would be a lot more difficult. Anthony randolph is not a 4, Kevin Durant is not a 4. Neither is Perry. Even he knows that at the next level he will not be playing the 4 full time. He's not a tweener at all. He's just a tall swingman...

When you're as tall as he is, it makes it very difficult to have a low enough centre of gravity to have the lateral quicks necessary to guard SFs.

MagnusPinus · Post #1245 » by **MagnusPinus** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:42 pm

Perry Jones is exactly what we don't need. he is too tall.. he is gonna be developed as a 4, I'm 100 % sure.. there is no 6-11 SF in the Nba, and in any case, he doesn't have the 3 point range we would need at that position, considering we have another "non-shooter" in Derozan.

Post #1246 » by **DG88** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:46 pm

MagnusPinus wrote:Perry Jones is exactly what we don't need. he is too tall.. he is gonna be developed as a 4, I'm 100 % sure.. there is no 6-11 SF in the Nba, and in any case, he doesn't have the 3 point range we would need at that position, considering we have another "non-shooter" in Derozan.

Austin Daye, Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis all say hi. Either way I don't want Perry Jones, I'd rather Terrence Jones or Irving.

Jose_Matador · Post #1247 » by **Jose_Matador** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:47 pm

MagnusPinus wrote:Perry Jones is exactly what we don't need. he is too tall.. he is gonna be developed as a 4, I'm 100 % sure.. there is no 6-11 SF in the Nba, and in any case, he doesn't have the 3 point range we would need at that position, considering we have another "non-shooter" in Derozan.

Sure about that ?

anyways I completely agree with your assessment on Perry Jones, I just wanted to remind you of Durant and Austin Daye.

Jose_Matador · Post #1248 » by **Jose_Matador** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:50 pm

Perry Jones will not be power forward BTW, to convert him now would just be a pain for any team that picks him. He plays on the perimeter, let them him stay there.

Reignman · Post #1249 » by **Reignman** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:53 pm

yeah, Perry is going to be an NBA SF, that's where most of his value lies. With his length, he could sag off NBA SF's and still contest shots.

Rude Boy 1 · Post #1250 » by **Rude Boy 1** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:20 pm

whether he's a 3 or a 4 ( I think he's a 4) I don't want him with our pick. He just doesn't have the motor you want with a top 5 pick. He reminds me of Darius Miles another long athletic would be 3 that ended up being a bust.

He just doesn't have a true position in the NBA from what I could tell. He is in the truest sense of the word a tweener except he doesn't possess the range to hit 3's

Rude Boy 1 · Post #1251 » by **Rude Boy 1** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:21 pm

Jose_Matador wrote:Perry Jones will not be power forward BTW, to convert him now would just be a pain for any team that picks him. He plays on the perimeter, let them him stay there.

Well his college career has been spent developing his post game, he's seen very little time on the perimeter.

Crazy-Canuck · Post #1252 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:22 pm

More and more I am open to grabbing one of the Euros like Valunicas, Kanter, Montejunicias or Vesley and stash them overseas if we cant get Irving.

Joseph would be an ideal target with Miami's pick if a promise was given. Other mocks have him going higher next year, NBADraft.net even has him as a fringe lotto guy.

The 2012 draft seems to be loaded with talent top end talent at the SG/SF positions with guys like Miller and Gilchrist.

Rude Boy 1 · Post #1253 » by **Rude Boy 1** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:25 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:More and more I am open to grabbing one of the Euros like Valunicas, Kanter, Montejunicias or Vesley and stash them overseas if we cant get Irving.

Joseph would be an ideal target with Miami's pick if a promise was given. Other mocks have him going higher next year, NBADraft.net even has him as a fringe lotto guy.

The 2012 draft seems to be loaded with talent top end talent at the SG/SF positions with guys like Miller and Gilchrist.

I'm not ready to concede that until MM and even still the workouts. Kanter is about the only one I've seen enough tape on to form an opinion and he's still 8th on my board

Rude Boy 1 · Post #1254 » by **Rude Boy 1** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:59 pm

I'm starting to get really intrigued at the possibility of adding Kris Joseph with the Miami pick. He looks like he will be a player, I love his size, athleticism, work rate, and of course his passport! He would be a solid add if he can be had for the Miami pick. Anyone else?

Post #1255 » by **Rhettmatic** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:35 pm

RaptorsDevlin Matt Devlin
Its that time of year where NBA teams are out scouting college games. Bryan Colangelo attended Kansas vs. Baylor game yesterday.

Post #1256 » by **DG88** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:36 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:
RaptorsDevlin Matt Devlin
Its that time of year where NBA teams are out scouting college games. Bryan Colangelo attended Kansas vs. Baylor game yesterday.

Getting a look at two potential players that we could pick in Selby and Jones.

JN · Post #1257 » by JN » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:51 pm

There are actually much more scouts at conference games then NCAA tournament games. Its a major myth to say NCAA tournament games are where this players make themselves. Its in conference play.

THe games are scheduled (allowing teams to make plans to attend the games) - the games are intense, and are guaranteed to be against good opposition. You must remember that many games in November and December are against jobbers (teams paid to come to your home court and lose). Then tournament games could be at any location in America, against a weak first round opponent, and you may be out after one or two games.

Many "internet" want to be scouts are only exposed to players in March, so they spread the misconception that March is where one's draft prospects are decided.

JN · Post #1258 » by JN » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:15 pm

Just in case there was any optomism concerning Fab Melo after his 6pt,4blk (In 15 min) performance on Saturday. Last night he started. played 2 minutes, allowed Pitt to jump to an early 7-0 lead, and rode pine for the rest of the night.

Raps in 4 · Post #1259 » by **Raps in 4** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:05 pm

4 Euros are now ranked in the top 11 at DX. This doesn't bode well for us.

Dr Positivity · Post #1260 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:13 pm

Keep in mind there's two types of tweeners. Players who can't guard both positions, and players who can. Beasley is small at PF and slow at SF so the tweener you don't want defensively. I believe Perry would be an able to guard both positions guy. He's a legit 6'10-6'11 and more athletic than most.

The biggest question is offensively. I think he's a better fit at PF because he can't shoot well and 6'10-6'11 is fine height for that spot anyways